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Why you should be strong.

Protobuilder said:
Day-um. You blasted him for being his normal crotchety self? I think its pretty well understood that you get AI's opinions whether you like 'em or not. And he's free to express them. He just said he didn't like the quote. That's fair and up for debate isn't it? Geesh. I didn't know we had to censor our thoughts on here . . .

I never said anything at all about censoring of thoughts or posts. He or anyone else can be as crochety as they want to be. If anything is up for debate, then anything is up for disapproval. The quote whether you enjoy it or not was just put up by someone because they thought others would get (something) out of it; good, bad or indifferent. The first reply back is it makes you gag and you can't read that shit. Hey, whatever you say - its just somewhat of a downer for the person who thought well of it and took the time to post it up.

I don't censor my thoughts anywhere on here, but in turn I never tell people to shut up, that they are a cunt or asshole, that their posts they took the time to put up make me gag... I'm not always warm and fuzzy, just not into making people feel like crap I supposse. That's where I'm coming from with this.

We've all probably come across this at one time or another and maybe recently here; but in the context of this thread I'll post it. It provides another look at strength, not so much from our emotional perspective but from the iron itself and the lessons it teaches those who lift.

IRON, from Details Magazine
By Henry Rollins

Posted on NaturalStrength.com on May 21, 2001

I believe that the definition of definition is reinvention. To not be like your parents. To not be like your friends. To be yourself.
Completely.

When I was young I had no sense of myself. All I was, was a product of all the fear and humiliation I suffered. Fear of my parents. The humiliation of teachers calling me "garbage can" and telling me I'd be mowing lawns for a living. And the very real terror of my fellow students. I was threatened and beaten up for the color of my skin and my size. I was skinny and clumsy, and when others would tease me I didn't run home crying, wondering why. I knew all too well. I was there to be antagonized. In sports I was laughed at. A spaz. I was pretty good at boxing but only because the rage that filled my every waking moment made me wild and unpredictable. I fought with some strange fury. The other boys thought I was crazy.

I hated myself all the time. As stupid at it seems now, I wanted to talk like them, dress like them, carry myself with the ease of knowing that I wasn't going to get pounded in the hallway between classes. Years passed and I learned to keep it all inside. I only talked to a few boys in my grade. Other losers. Some of them are to this day the greatest people I have ever known. Hang out with a guy who has had his head flushed down a toilet a few times, treat him with respect, and you'll find a faithful friend forever. But even with friends, school sucked. Teachers gave me hard time. I didn't think much of them either.

Then came Mr. Pepperman, my advisor. He was a powerfully built Vietnam veteran, and he was scary. No one ever talked out of turn in his class.Once one kid did and Mr. P. lifted him off the ground and pinned him to the blackboard. Mr. P. could see that I was in bad shape, and one Friday in October he asked me if I had ever worked out with weights. I told him no. He told me that I was going to take some of the money that I had saved and buy a hundred-pound set of weights at Sears. As I left his office, I started to think of things I would say to him on Monday when he asked about the weights that I was not going to buy. Still, it made me feel special. My father never really got that close to caring. On Saturday I bought the weights, but I couldn't even drag them to my mom's car. An attendant laughed at me as he put them on a dolly.

Monday came and I was called into Mr. P.'s office after school. He said that he was going to show me how to work out. He was going to put me on a program and start hitting me in the solar plexus in the hallway when I wasn't looking. When I could take the punch we would know that we were getting somewhere. At no time was I to look at myself in the mirror or tell anyone at school what I was doing.
In the gym he showed me ten basic exercises. I paid more attention than I ever did in any of my classes. I didn't want to blow it. I went home that night and started right in.

Weeks passed, and every once in a while Mr. P. would give me a shot and drop me in the hallway, sending my books flying. The other students didn't know what to think. More weeks passed, and I was steadily adding new weights to the bar. I could sense the power inside my body growing. I could feel it.

Right before Christmas break I was walking to class, and from out of nowhere Mr. Pepperman appeared and gave me a shot in the chest. I laughed and kept going. He said I could look at myself now. I got home and ran to the bathroom and pulled off my shirt. I saw a body, not just the shell that housed my stomach and my heart. My biceps bulged. My chest had definition. I felt strong. It was the first time I can remember having a sense of myself. I had done something and no one could ever take it away. You couldn't say shit to me.

It took me years to fully appreciate the value of the lessons I have learned from the Iron. I used to think that it was my adversary, that I was trying to lift that which does not want to be lifted. I was wrong. When the Iron doesn't want to come off the mat, it's the kindest thing it can do for you. If it flew up and went through the ceiling, it wouldn't teach you anything. That's the way the Iron talks to you. It tells you that the material you work with is that which you will come to resemble. That which you work against will always work against you.

It wasn't until my late twenties that I learned that by working out I had given myself a great gift. I learned that nothing good comes without work and a certain amount of pain. When I finish a set that leaves me shaking, I know more about myself. When something gets bad, I know it can't be as bad as that workout.

I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness. But when dealing with the Iron, one must be careful to interpret the pain correctly. Most injuries involving the Iron come from ego. I once spent a few weeks lifting weight that my body wasn't ready for and spent a few months not picking up anything heavier than a fork. Try to lift what you're not prepared to and the Iron will teach you a little lesson in restraint and self-control.

I have never met a truly strong person who didn't have self-respect. I think a lot of inwardly and outwardly directed contempt passes itself off as self-respect: the idea of raising yourself by stepping on someone's shoulders instead of doing it yourself. When I see guys working out for cosmetic reasons, I see vanity exposing them in the worst way, as cartoon characters, billboards for imbalance and insecurity. Strength reveals itself through character. It is the difference between bouncers who get off strong-arming people and Mr.Pepperman.

Muscle mass does not always equal strength. Strength is kindness and sensitivity. Strength is understanding that your power is both physical and emotional. That it comes from the body and the mind. And the heart.

Yukio Mishima said that he could not entertain the idea of romance if he was not strong. Romance is such a strong and overwhelming passion, a weakened body cannot sustain it for long. I have some of my most romantic thoughts when I am with the Iron. Once I was in love with a woman. I thought about her the most when the pain from a workout was racing through my body.

Everything in me wanted her. So much so that sex was only a fraction of my total desire. It was the single most intense love I have ever felt, but she lived far away and I didn't see her very often. Working out was a healthy way of dealing with the loneliness. To this day, when I work out I usually listen to ballads.

I prefer to work out alone. It enables me to concentrate on the lessons that the Iron has for me. Learning about what you're made of is always time well spent, and I have found no better teacher. The Iron had taught me how to live. Life is capable of driving you out of your mind. The way it all comes down these days, it's some kind of miracle if you're not insane. People have become separated from their bodies. They are no longer whole.

I see them move from their offices to their cars and on to their suburban homes. They stress out constantly, they lose sleep, they eat badly. And they behave badly. Their egos run wild; they become motivated by that which will eventually give them a massive stroke. They need the Iron Mind.

Through the years, I have combined meditation, action, and the Iron into a single strength. I believe that when the body is strong, the mind thinks strong thoughts. Time spent away from the Iron makes my mind degenerate. I wallow in a thick depression. My body shuts down my mind.

The Iron is the best antidepressant I have ever found. There is no better way to fight weakness than with strength. Once the mind and body have been awakened to their true potential, it's impossible to turn back.

The Iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that you're a god or a total bastard. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. The Iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
 
HYOOGE difference between being concerned and obsessed with how you look. LoL Most, if not all, of us are concerned with how we look. But some people get into weights & bodybuilding and may even start w/ a decent self image, but can get trapped, like Narcissus, staring at themselves all the time and their self image can actually get worse. Just kind of weird how that works.
 
Illuminati said:
couldn't agree more. i know this pro bodybuilder lady who is so absorbed w/herself. everything is a contest to her. i'll walk by, and she'll say something like "you look huge today. But my arms are still bigger." yeah, it might have been funny the first time. but she says it over and over again. so just to amuse myself, I'll throw my arm up, flex it real quick, and she'll say something like "that's not fair. My ass is still nicer than yours." its like she is always looking for reassurance that she's big. yeah, shes big alright. Her gut that is from the Gh.
Then there is this guy that comes to the gym, every now and then, to get help w/his poses from the gym owner. (the gym owner is a former Mr. Oregon winner.) the guy is about 5'6" and jacked from his Gh/test cycle. But to be honest, I'm bigger than the guy, and I'm a powerlifter. But still, he comes in, stands there doing his poses in the mirror with the gym owner, critiquing how he looks. then you hear him say something like "I just got done going through my poses for the last 2 hours, so I'm kind of cramped up right now. Plus I'm carb. depleted..."
why would anybody want to live a life like that? it really is just as bad as someone who is annorexic. i couldn't imagine looking at myself under a microscope every day, and think to myself, "man, i really would love to have a big mac right now, but if I do, i'm gonna get fat." or even worse, looking at everybody that walks by, analizing how they look, and then worry myself to death that they are bigger than me.
the owner of the gym has offered to help me with a contest dieting. but refuse to do it, because I dont' want to live that life style. its bad enough that I'm a little OCD about strength. but to be that way about how I look? fuck that shit. I got better things to worry about, like deadlifting 600lbs!
actually this is a condition similar to anorexia, called muscle dysmorphia, commonly known as bigorexia. there've been alot of posts on the AAS board about this... it usually affects bodybuilders (competitive and rec).
 
quadsweeps sister said:
I never said anything at all about censoring of thoughts or posts. He or anyone else can be as crochety as they want to be. If anything is up for debate, then anything is up for disapproval. The quote whether you enjoy it or not was just put up by someone because they thought others would get (something) out of it; good, bad or indifferent. The first reply back is it makes you gag and you can't read that shit. Hey, whatever you say - its just somewhat of a downer for the person who thought well of it and took the time to post it up.

I don't censor my thoughts anywhere on here, but in turn I never tell people to shut up, that they are a cunt or asshole, that their posts they took the time to put up make me gag... I'm not always warm and fuzzy, just not into making people feel like crap I supposse. That's where I'm coming from with this.

I know better than to get involved in 'net drama, LoL, but this just really irks me. You bomb AI b/c his post wasn't supportive? LoL It's a CONVERSATION. People AREN'T going to agree w/ everything you say. He didn't attack the poster. He didn't say "You're an idiot for posting that!" He just said the quote from Hoffman didn't really do anything for him. Sure, he said up front it made him gag, but that's clearly hyperbole. And that's just how he expresses himself. So what? He then went on to give a mature response that voiced his opinion. He didn't like it. So what? Ten other people will say they liked it. And again, so what? That's what you do here. Frankly, I don't see you posting in this forum very often so I think it's a bit rude to show up and slam a guy b/c you deem his post "somewhat of a downer." I mean, as long as you don't attack the person involved--which AI didn't--you should be able to voice your opinion using your own individual tone & demeanor. That's what makes this place interesting and fun. I hate to think there's people like you hovering around looking to throw bombs at people who aren't politically correct and who don't use your approved language & tone.
 
kingkrs said:
so true, although I do care about how I look a little bit. Not my main motivation though.

anybody that works out, even if strength is the name of their game, cares to some extent about how they look.
 
Protobuilder said:
I know better than to get involved in 'net drama, LoL, but this just really irks me. You bomb AI b/c his post wasn't supportive? LoL It's a CONVERSATION. People AREN'T going to agree w/ everything you say. He didn't attack the poster. He didn't say "You're an idiot for posting that!" He just said the quote from Hoffman didn't really do anything for him. Sure, he said up front it made him gag, but that's clearly hyperbole. And that's just how he expresses himself. So what? He then went on to give a mature response that voiced his opinion. He didn't like it. So what? Ten other people will say they liked it. And again, so what? That's what you do here. Frankly, I don't see you posting in this forum very often so I think it's a bit rude to show up and slam a guy b/c you deem his post "somewhat of a downer." I mean, as long as you don't attack the person involved--which AI didn't--you should be able to voice your opinion using your own individual tone & demeanor. That's what makes this place interesting and fun. I hate to think there's people like you hovering around looking to throw bombs at people who aren't politically correct and who don't use your approved language & tone.
umm... it doesn't look like she bombed him... that was "quadsweep" who bombed him.
 
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