Why was the "Punching Bitches in the Face" thread locked?

[Jae]

It was an interesting debate. Frack, BM, and most others had legitimate view points on the subject. You have to see the humor in the way it was worded, though it is an interesting occurance that most females would have an easier time with the authorities and society for violence than men would.

 

[GLADIATOR351]

It was interesting... not sure why it was locked...

but,

I do respect the fact that Wodin has the balls to let everyone know that he is the one that locks threads. I see alot of locked threads that the "locker" of the thread doesn't identify themselves or the reason for locking the thread...

 

[dballer]

WODIN is one of the only mods who lets everyone know he locked somthing... if you liked the thread PM him and ask him to open it. He will if you bring a good argument.

 

[Crazier]

WODIN is one of the only mods who lets everyone know he locked somthing... if you liked the thread PM him and ask him to open it. He will if you bring a good argument.

Did you download 'dropping plates'???
--

 

[toga22]

Jae~

I agree with you on this one....and it was an interesting debate. All of the responses seemed very well-thought out and not threatening to any individual member...

But that is just my .02!!

~toga

 

[polarpixie]

Cruisin down the street in my six-fo'
Jockin the bitches, slappin the ho's

 

[JohnyJuice]

Glad yall appreciated my thread. Speaking of punching bithes in the face, i saw the video "smack my bitch up" on mtv for the first time yesterday. It is bad ass.

 

[polarpixie]

Glad yall appreciated my thread. Speaking of punching bithes in the face, i saw the video "smack my bitch up" on mtv for the first time yesterday. It is bad ass.

That song is badass!

 

[GLADIATOR351]

Glad yall appreciated my thread. Speaking of punching bithes in the face, i saw the video "smack my bitch up" on mtv for the first time yesterday. It is bad ass.

A guy at one of my local BB competition was on stage posing to that song....

They turned his music off in the middle of his routine!!
he was pissed and walked off the stage.

 

[ladymacbeth]

Glad yall appreciated my thread. Speaking of punching bithes in the face, i saw the video "smack my bitch up" on mtv for the first time yesterday. It is bad ass.

Yes it is. I saw Prodigy live at Lollapalooza once, and pulled both my calves from jumping so hard.

On another note, I found the thread somewhat offensive. I think that was obvious. The argument seemed to start out as, since women want equal rights, that means that they have an equal right to be beaten as dudes do who get in bar fights. Because if being a man means being smacked around every once in a while, then being a woman should mean the same thing.

But I don't think anyone can deny that when a woman shows violence towards a man, and when a man shows violence towards a woman, they often mean very, very different things. Abuse cases should be handled on an individual basis. If some guy grabs my ass in a bar, and I turn around and smack him, should I expect a slap in return? Hell no. If I punch some random guy in the face because I don't like his shirt, should I expect retaliation? Probably.

I also found it offensive because I see women getting shit on all the time. We often have no choice about what we can be. If we defend women, we're whiny feminazis. If we agree in the nicest way, then we're weak, and if we put little smilies up there, then we're cockteases. If we wear tight jeans, we're sluts, if we wear nice clothes, we're prudes, if we say something intelligent, we're uppity and if we don't like what you're saying about us, or worse yet, spurn your advances, we're bitches bitches bitches (for this one, see any of frackal's posts about women).

It's hard to go through life with all of these stereotypes on your back, and still feel like you can be yourself. So, yeah, I found the whole idea offensive. Waaaaa...I'm sick of the way women are acting, so can we please just start smacking them. I don't think you personally smack around chicks, and I think you're intelligent, and I'm sure you didn't mean it's time for a free day on women.

But once people start agreeing with shit like that on a place like here, then they start thinking about it, then they go out to a bar and grab my ass and smack me back when I smack them. Then I have to break their face. And nobody wants that to happen.

 

[manny78]

didnt have time to readi it, but I'm sure Wodin had a good reason

 

[Sebass67]

Lady MacBeth

I also found it offensive because I see women getting shit on all the time. We often have no choice about what we can be. If we defend women, we're whiny feminazis. If we agree in the nicest way, then we're weak, and if we put little smilies up there, then we're cockteases. If we wear tight jeans, we're sluts, if we wear nice clothes, we're prudes, if we say something intelligent, we're uppity and if we don't like what you're saying about us, or worse yet, spurn your advances, we're bitches bitches bitches (for this one, see any of frackal's posts about women).



I have come to the belief that almost anyone gets shit on in our competiitve capitalist soicety. But, Lady MacBeth are you are arguing that the stereotyping of women justifies the double standard? I do believe there is a double standard. Your example, the slap, is different i think what many people on here are thinking is the theoretical situation where a woman punches a guy. In that case, theoretically, i think that there really should be nothing holding the guy back in the case of everyone being 'equal'.

That being said i have only made these points for the sake of argument and deep thought. As shallow as mine may be at times.

 

[ladymacbeth]

Sebass:

There is such a fine line between what we can generalize about and what we shouldn't. I often have a really hard time figuring this one out too. I don't know where to draw the line. I think that men are brought up to be very physical, and women to be more passive. Maybe that's changed a lot, but if a bully beats up a girl at school, her dad will almost never tell her to go back and beat the kid up, or to stop whining about it and stand up for herself. He would probably call the school or a teacher. This is a theoretical situation, but I'm sure you see what I'm getting at. We are reared so differently, it's very hard to make a sweeping generalization like "what happens to men=what happens to women".

Then we get into the argument that women have been thwarted from going into occupations in the sciences for years...should we just blame that on upbringing and move on? But we offer scholarships for women who want to go into these fields that men can't get. Is this unfair bias? Fuck, I don't know, I haven't thought about this for very long, and I don't want to start talking out of my ass.

And I don't think you're shallow, silly.

 

[danielson]

I also found it offensive because I see women getting shit on all the time. We often have no choice about what we can be. If we defend women, we're whiny feminazis. If we agree in the nicest way, then we're weak, and if we put little smilies up there, then we're cockteases. If we wear tight jeans, we're sluts, if we wear nice clothes, we're prudes, if we say something intelligent, we're uppity and if we don't like what you're saying about us, or worse yet, spurn your advances, we're bitches bitches bitches (for this one, see any of frackal's posts about women).

i think a lot of the frustration comes from the fact that whats socially acceptable for a women in terms of actions and behaviour towards the opposite sex has changed radically over the last 100 years, whereas whats expected behaviour for a man/gentleman hasnt changed all that much

hitting women is one such example. its almost hard to believe that there are men out their getting beaten silly by their partners, and having to go to casualty on a regular basis but are too ashamed to contact the authorities as they are ebing beaten by a girl, yet won't fght back because its been instilled into them that its wrong. its why it almost angers me to hear men say 'if a woman attacks you with a frying pan, its still not ok to hit her. just walk away man (even though she;s likely to clobber you over the head with it and in the same situation a police officer would shoot your ass dead!). it amazes me evenmore goven that in my experience women can be much more ruthless when fighting (i,e clawing, scratching, gouging etc)

i didn't even realise it myself but its hard for me to hit a woman and im a fairly detached guy, if almost any man sees a woman in distress he feels bad.




as for all the other things, i personally wouldnt think any of them ASIDE from the spurning of advances, as i;ve seen people do this quite harshly, so its entierly plausible one person may have had less than agreeable experiences in the past.

 

[Taps]

Ladymacbeth and Sebass make good points, but I don't think the thread should have been locked.

There was a good discussion going on.

 

[Jae]

Actually, I did not even read the thread until it was locked. Before, I just thought it was going to be the standard flame fest and insult war. Just based on the title. But then, I was surprised with how well thought out most everyone's response to it was.

 

[ladymacbeth]

. its almost hard to believe that there are men out their getting beaten silly by their partners, and having to go to casualty on a regular basis but are too ashamed to contact the authorities as they are ebing beaten by a girl,

I wonder if this is not a new phenomenon, but another happening like so many others that is more openly discussed now then it was in the past.

 

[jeep310]

Here is my .02 cents worth....................nevermind..........(I need the .02 back)...I am broke!

 

[WODIN]

I locked it. It was tasteless and more to the point there IS ABSOLUTLEY NO REASON ON THIS EARTH TO HIT A WOMAN. PERIOD!!!

 

[Taps]

In your opinion, that may be true, Wodin. Others probably disagree with you tho. What's wrong with a little discussion anyway? It's not like the thread was turning into a flame war or anything....

 

[toga22]

there IS ABSOLUTLEY NO REASON ON THIS EARTH TO HIT A WOMAN. PERIOD!!!

Unfortunately Wodin, not all men hold the same opinions as you do...

For myself, I would never raise my hand to a man... I could never defend myself against a man, and if he was angered enough to hit me to begin with...I certainly wouldn't want to piss him off more...

~toga

 

[danielson]

I wonder if this is not a new phenomenon, but another happening like so many others that is more openly discussed now then it was in the past.

maybe....we're diagnosing new 'old' condtiotions all the time (if that makes sense)

 

[ladymacbeth]

I could never defend myself against a man

Darlin, I'm sure you could take a few dudes, especially if cornered.

And danielson, I agree.

 

[naturally anabolic]

toga, you can kick my ass any day you want!

 

[Jae]

In your opinion, that may be true, Wodin. Others probably disagree with you tho. What's wrong with a little discussion anyway? It's not like the thread was turning into a flame war or anything....

Ditto.

 

[Sebass67]

I locked it. It was tasteless and more to the point there IS ABSOLUTLEY NO REASON ON THIS EARTH TO HIT A WOMAN. PERIOD!!!

Ditto...This, my friend is a democracy not a dictatorship.

Well,,maybe a little but you know what i am getting at.

LadyMacbeth

I think the thing is that we are in a rapidly changing society where women are learning to be more and more less socialized and more independent. Maybe this is not so prevalent now, but what about 5,10,20 years down the road, It MAY be, you never know.

People as a whole are realizing the effect of socialization and becoming more independant because they are realizing how they have been influenced and are rebelling against traditional roles. Women, especially.

I would just like to say that there ARE women who are aggressive and/or ruthless and would be willing to throw a punch. So whether this is an emmergin minority or just a constant minority is yet to be seen. But , if that girl gives me a shot, even though i would most likely not in real life, there is no reason why i shouldn't give her a shot back.

You argument only holds true to that of little children. I am talking about mature(?) women who have realized that they can do just as much as a man from a freedom of action standpoint.

 

[ladymacbeth]

Did my argument REALLY refer to little children? I didn't think it did.

Anyhoo, y'all should read Elizabeth Wurtzel's Bitch , it has some really interesting and strong views on the subject. It's a book. You can get it at any library or book store.

 

[Sebass67]

See, i can say that i am interested and i am going to check it out but that would be a lie.


As to your question, actually it does mainly refer to children.

I would like to differentiate between the socialized woman(the child who is taught to act like so and so) and the one that has realized her full potential by realizing she is a product of that socialization(one REALLY smart kid, maybe, but most likely a young adult and older).

So you see what i mean? I ain't talking about your average Jill here...But like i said, maybe one day, you never know.

 

[ladymacbeth]

So you see what i mean? I ain't talking about your average Jill here...But like i said, maybe one day, you never know.

But you open up a whole new bag of monkeys when you try to talk about the "average Jill". And that book's really good. I'm serious.

I think you're cool. And not in the way that I tell Zirak I think he's cool. In the serious way.

 

[Sebass67]

Well, thank you..maybe i'll post a pic of me at my dorm...LOL

Anyhow, i really would be a sell out to my rational reasoning as usually i just don't like bullies in general and usually, any guy that hits a girl is in deep shit in my books.

 

[toga22]

Darlin, I'm sure you could take a few dudes, especially if cornered.

Yes, that is possibly true...

But I would approach the situation in the same manner I would a dog that is eating...

Don't stick your hand in the bowl, with the expectation that it won't get bit.

~toga

 

[Sebass67]

Can u see me?

 

[toga22]

Do you think you can mess with the man of style himself???


No WAY

I don't understand your comment....Sorry...

~toga

 

[Sebass67]

I was trying to post a pic...that did not work...

 

[Taps]

Just for the record, I deplore violence in all forms -- especially when it's perpetrated on the weak by the strong.

I know a few women who've been smacked around by thier boyfriends, and it is UGLY. It's an incredibly viscious and brutal situation when it occurs.

I still don't think the thread should have been locked.

 

[Jae]

I know a few women who've been smacked around by thier boyfriends, and it is UGLY. It's an incredibly viscious and brutal situation when it occurs.

I still don't think the thread should have been locked.

And I can name just as many that deserve a good smack. I am not attempting to encourage violence against women, but once someone starts denying a father visitation of his kids, changing their last names to match her new "boyfriend's" last name, stealing his credit card, having utilities and credit cards signed on in the child's name and then not paying, effectively ruining his credit although he was only 2 years old, etc... well they are not women anymore. They have crossed the line to being "Bitch".

I think the best statement is that we all know a few people, regardless of gender that needs a slap upside the head.

 

[Frackal]

Lady MacBeth

I also found it offensive because I see women getting shit on all the time. We often have no choice about what we can be. If we defend women, we're whiny feminazis. If we agree in the nicest way, then we're weak, and if we put little smilies up there, then we're cockteases. If we wear tight jeans, we're sluts, if we wear nice clothes, we're prudes, if we say something intelligent, we're uppity and if we don't like what you're saying about us, or worse yet, spurn your advances, we're bitches bitches bitches (for this one, see any of frackal's posts about women).

Any one of Frackal's posts about women huh? When have I ever posted anything regarding irritation about women "spuring my advances?"

At least know what you are talking about before you attach my name to it.

 

[Sebass67]

By the way i was quoting Her...this was not my own saying.

 

[Norman Bates]

I have never ever seen a woman hitting a man seriously, except throing things at him in a kind of frustrated manner.
Do you people expierence violence from women that often?

 

[Sebass67]

I've actually had a friend who took a shot in the arm. This chick like leaned into it hard and it hurt him so he just turned around and nailed her back.

Long story....don't want to get into it. But yeah, she did deserve it.

 

[PinK233]

I think a man who physically abuses a woman is no man at all....but we seem to be forgetting there are some evil women in this world as well...who do evil things...I'm not saying they should be hit...but if a woman punches a man in the face, then she's asking to be punched back! It's too confusing when we say we want equal rights, but still want to be treated like delicate little flowers...it's true that men should be gentlemen, but when we're saying it's ok for us to hit men but not ok for them to hit back, that's a double standard. If you want to be treated like a lady, then be a lady...but if you act like trash you will be treated like trash.

 

[Sebass67]

Good response.

 

[dballer]

But I don't think anyone can deny that when a woman shows violence towards a man, and when a man shows violence towards a woman, they often mean very, very different things. Abuse cases should be handled on an individual basis. If some guy grabs my ass in a bar, and I turn around and smack him, should I expect a slap in return? Hell no. If I punch some random guy in the face because I don't like his shirt, should I expect retaliation? Probably.

I also found it offensive because I see women getting shit on all the time. We often have no choice about what we can be. If we defend women, we're whiny feminazis. If we agree in the nicest way, then we're weak, and if we put little smilies up there, then we're cockteases. If we wear tight jeans, we're sluts, if we wear nice clothes, we're prudes, if we say something intelligent, we're uppity and if we don't like what you're saying about us, or worse yet, spurn your advances, we're bitches bitches bitches (for this one, see any of frackal's posts about women).

It's hard to go through life with all of these stereotypes on your back, and still feel like you can be yourself. So, yeah, I found the whole idea offensive. Waaaaa...I'm sick of the way women are acting, so can we please just start smacking them. I don't think you personally smack around chicks, and I think you're intelligent, and I'm sure you didn't mean it's time for a free day on women.

But once people start agreeing with shit like that on a place like here, then they start thinking about it, then they go out to a bar and grab my ass and smack me back when I smack them. Then I have to break their face. And nobody wants that to happen.

what if you were laying in bed sleeping and you got punched in the eye while you were sleeping? That happend to me.. my ex hammered me while I was sleeping (circa 1998)... I feel like I have changed alot since then tho.

Did I hit her back?? NO
Would I hit a girl who blacked my eye while I was sleeping now?? YES.

 

[Sebass67]

Holy shit...that's crazy bro.

Find her in a bar, and beat the crap out of her....







j/k...

 

[dballer]

Holy shit...that's crazy bro.

Find her in a bar, and beat the crap out of her....


j/k...

I did worse.. I split up with her. hahahaha just kidding.
I was a pussy.. she blacked my eyes 2 diffrent times. I was stupid to believe all that don't hit back shit. If it was now.. and she throttled me in the eye while I was sleeping.. I would punch her in the throat.

 

[polarpixie]

what if you were laying in bed sleeping and you got punched in the eye while you were sleeping? That happend to me.. my ex hammered me while I was sleeping (circa 1998)... I feel like I have changed alot since then tho.

Did I hit her back?? NO
Would I hit a girl who blacked my eye while I was sleeping now?? YES.

I don't get why someone would do that. Was she sleep-fighting? I think it would've been justified to hit her back in that situation, she started it. As long as you didn't her any harder then she hit you.

 

[Sebass67]

It was a joke...i think you can punch me in the back of the head now....

 

[polarpixie]

It was a joke...i think you can punch me in the back of the head now....

Done.

I know you were joking, but it was a cruel joke.

 

[dballer]

I was not joking. This really did happen.

 

[polarpixie]

I was not joking. This really did happen.

Sebass67 was referring to a really bad joke that he had made in a post that's he's deleted.

 

[ladymacbeth]

what if you were laying in bed sleeping and you got punched in the eye while you were sleeping? That happend to me.. my ex hammered me while I was sleeping (circa 1998)... I feel like I have changed alot since then tho.

Did I hit her back?? NO
Would I hit a girl who blacked my eye while I was sleeping now?? YES.

I know you didn't, and I still don't think you would. That's besides the point. Like I said, these kind of situations can only be dealt with on a person to person basis. And if I were you, I wouldn't punch her OR ignore it. I would have stopped sleeping with her.

And you are not a , nor are you , nor can you , nor will I have a auly: with you and that asian chick, no matter how many times you ask. Let's be

I'm having fun with smilies today.

 

[casavant]

I locked it. It was tasteless and more to the point there IS ABSOLUTLEY NO REASON ON THIS EARTH TO HIT A WOMAN. PERIOD!!!

Wodin, with all due respect, after reading the thread I think you were out of line in locking it down.

 

[Frackal]

I think a man who physically abuses a woman is no man at all....but we seem to be forgetting there are some evil women in this world as well...who do evil things...I'm not saying they should be hit...but if a woman punches a man in the face, then she's asking to be punched back! It's too confusing when we say we want equal rights, but still want to be treated like delicate little flowers...it's true that men should be gentlemen, but when we're saying it's ok for us to hit men but not ok for them to hit back, that's a double standard. If you want to be treated like a lady, then be a lady...but if you act like trash you will be treated like trash.

This is how I feel as well. I become very disgusted when I think about how badly women have been abused by men in the past...(YES ladies, I detest evil behavior on both sides, just a bit more pissed at the women side for now.)

Lady MacBeth, respond to my post if you would.

 

[mrbill]

I locked it. It was tasteless and more to the point there IS ABSOLUTLEY NO REASON ON THIS EARTH TO HIT A WOMAN. PERIOD!!!

Wodin...usually i agree with much of what you say, but I really don't understand this kind of "logic". Women have killed, assaulted, etc. just as men have and deserve the same reaction. Are you seriously saying if you were with your wife and two kids and some bitch was threating to harm them you wouldn't knock her lights out??

I am not advocating hitting women (or men) for no reason, but if it is in defense of yourself or your loved ones no one in "immune" to being hit.

 

[polarpixie]

It's not that a man should never hit a woman, but that he needs to watch how hard he hits back if the situation called for him to hit back in order to defend himself. It all depends on the situation. Everyone has a right to defend themselves when physcially provoked. If a women insisted on beating up a man, he has a right to hit her back, should he choose to do so....I would think he was a pussy for not being able to contain himself and nobly walk away from the whole situation, but I wouldn't think he had no right to hit back.

 

[Frackal]

Would you say the same about a man walking away after another man knocked him around a few times polarpixie?

 

[ladymacbeth]

Any one of Frackal's posts about women huh? When have I ever posted anything regarding irritation about women "spuring my advances?"

At least know what you are talking about before you attach my name to it.

Sorry, I didn't see that back there...

I was referring to the calling women "bitches" for every little thing that makes you a wee little mad...so I looked up some things

"Nothing makes my blood boil like a superficial, fake-ass, skanky money grubbing bitches like that.... If I buy a girl something and she doesnt like it, then I'll give her the receipt to take it back, only she better return with my fucking money...

Seriously I hate American women in general, the older I get. I hate a woman with a newborn baby who comes into GNC and makes a point to tell me her husband is in California. I hate the way women here are brought up to bitch and complain about everything. I hate feminists who claim to be against the evils of men but then go to work in a corporation wearing shoulder pads and a stick up their asses always looking to cut off someone's balls. Ah hell I better not get started on this one......

"What can be said for someone who:

-Like men who treat them like shit, bitch about men who treat them like shit, yet leave the 'good men' for these same assholes.

-Must be 'balanced' in the dating game, you have to constantly play games to keep them interested, while you cannot show your full interest or they will become 'bored' with you.

-When you have an easier time of getting a woman by wearing a wedding ring, simply for the reason that you belong to another, and it becomes a self-justification for the woman by attempting to steal the married man away.

-Ever seen the Tao Of Steve? Very good dating-advice movie. Basically says, you have to show no interest in the woman, and because of that, she'll more or less want to sleep with you. And it's true.

-Is so flaky due to their emotions and whatever other issues that not even THEY know what they want. This is also an extremely common and undeniable fact.

- Many men are after sex yes, but it is the woman who controls when the man has sex. Women use this to gain money, power, status, favors, etc... Which sex is more deviant?

-SOME women expect equal rights as men, including sexual, political, buisness, etc...but if that's the case, then why are there woman-only gyms? Why are men in general still paying for dates?"

"PS- Those of you women on the board who have seen my pics, all of you said I was attractive, so should I just go up to some stupid girl and ask her for her number or what?? I hate talking to people, especially women my age, they're dumb as bricks, flaky and annoying."

Hm, you know, I didn't REALLY think that you were pissed because some woman spurned your advances, but it looks like with that last post that somebody just can't get a date. But I suppose you're too good for those flaky girls anyway.


I know I've never talked to you, but like I said, I've been feisty lately, and I'm sick of hearing about women being "stupid" and "bitches" and "stupid bitches" when we don't act in the perfect kind of passive, kind of slutty (but not TOO slutty), intelligent (but NOT TOO SMARTASS), way that you want us too. I see girls trying to jump through these wee little hoops and it makes me half sad and half sick.

 

[Aryan_Soldat]

First:

You have no class if you call women "bitches". That is pimp-talk. Pimps are pieces of shit. It is a real sad commentary on our culture that "pimp" mannerisms are celebrated. Think about it: How would you like somebody calling your Mom, your sister, or your lady "bitch"?

Second:

Any man who feels the need to beat on a lady is a serious punk. Personally, when I see a guy slap a lady around, I slap him around and call him my "bitch". Who the fuck needs to resort to violence to handle a disagreement with a woman? Pathetic.

Third:

I know porno makes it look cool to treat women like garbage, but you need to think about the consequences of these attitudes. I don't want to live in a culture where women are reduced to sexual commodities.

Thats the end of my preaching.
The Aryan Soldat

 

[polarpixie]

Would you say the same about a man walking away after another man knocked him around a few times polarpixie?

I sure would Frackal if the man who walked away was big and buff and twice as strong as the skinny little chicken-legged man.

 

[polarpixie]

I know I've never talked to you, but like I said, I've been feisty lately, and I'm sick of hearing about women being "stupid" and "bitches" and "stupid bitches" when we don't act in the perfect kind of passive, kind of slutty (but not TOO slutty), intelligent (but NOT TOO SMARTASS), way that you want us too. I see girls trying to jump through these wee little hoops and it makes me half sad and half sick.

No need to write off your feistiness. When you are right you are right.

 

[danielson]

I would think he was a pussy for not being able to contain himself and nobly walk away from the whole situation, but I wouldn't think he had no right to hit back.

i would to....whether he or she was hitting a man or a women. i hate people that fight unnecessarily, it just shows them to be mentally weak

of course the social stigma of a man hitting a woman because he's to lame brained to win an arguement or accept defeat is slightly different to that of a woman hitting a man for the same reasons. i would imaghine shouts of 'you go girl' would be echoing in the nearby u vicinity


people generally on pick on people they percieve to be weaker than them, if they dont they are stupid. anyone who does that is weak in my mind. why is it whenever i go to a club and see something like this happen the majiorty of people wanna kiss the ground the instigators walk on (says a lot about the mental age of my age group )

thankfully if a woman or man was to attack me now i probably wouldnt need to resort to striking them, but others might not know what to do and react out of instinct. if someone comes at someone with say a broken beer bottle (it happened to somene on here once!) i wouldnt even question them laying her the fuck out. why.....because their lives were in danger. im pretty sure police officers shoot people dead when suspects do stuff like that to them...

[/end rant]

 

[ladymacbeth]

No need to write off your feistiness. When you are right you are right.

 

[polarpixie]

i would to....whether he or she was hitting a man or a women. i hate people that fight unnecessarily, it just shows them to be mentally weak

of course the social stigma of a man hitting a woman because he's to lame brained to win an arguement or accept defeat is slightly different to that of a woman hitting a man for the same reasons. i would imaghine shouts of 'you go girl' would be echoing in the nearby u vicinity


people generally on pick on people they percieve to be weaker than them, if they dont they are stupid. anyone who does that is weak in my mind. why is it whenever i go to a club and see something like this happen the majiorty of people wanna kiss the ground the instigators walk on (says a lot about the mental age of my age group )

thankfully if a woman or man was to attack me now i probably wouldnt need to resort to striking them, but others might not know what to do and react out of instinct. if someone comes at someone with say a broken beer bottle (it happened to somene on here once!) i wouldnt even question them laying her the fuck out. why.....because their lives were in danger. im pretty sure police officers shoot people dead when suspects do stuff like that to them...

[/end rant]

lots of good stuff said there danielson. Also, you study martial arts, and I've watched the Karate Kid (lol), isn't one of the basic things they tell you is that the power is in knowing you can kick someone's ass, yet having the self-control not to destroy them?


It's about physical strength, that is all. But like danielson's last example, shoot, it doesn't matter if it was woman or troll coming at somebody with a broken beer bottle, if i were myself or a man, i'd beat them down and blow that joint!!!

 

[danielson]

lots of good stuff said there danielson. Also, you study martial arts, and I've watched the Karate Kid (lol), isn't one of the basic things they tell you is that the power is in knowing you can kick someone's ass, yet having the self-control not to destroy them?

my sifu says this all the time. now i know where he's getting it from i watched karate kid too, daniels a son-of-a-bitch, he gets elizabeth shue

if i were myself or a man, i'd beat them down and blow that joint!!!

<sound of giggles>

 

[polarpixie]

my sifu says this all the time. now i know where he's getting it from i watched karate kid too, daniels a son-of-a-bitch, he gets elizabeth shue

<sound of giggles>

What're you saying? That your sifu got it from me or the movie??? lol..

I know...the image of me beating someone down while screaming like a girlie girl and running out of a joint with my arms flailing has me giggling too.

 

[danielson]

What're you saying? That your sifu got it from me or the movie??? lol..

I know...the image of me beating someone down while screaming like a girlie girl and running out of a joint with my arms flailing has me giggling too.

i dunno....do you know my sifu? he gets all the chick dawn gorn it


i was giggling because you said throw them down and blow the joint....it sounded like some american mating ritual (hence my immature giggling......ive been like this all day, sorry )

you could probably kick my ass you look pretty damn buff

 

[polarpixie]

i was giggling because you said throw them down and blow the joint....it sounded like some american mating ritual (hence my immature giggling......ive been like this all day, sorry )

you could probably kick my ass you look pretty damn buff

Actually, you're right, that is both my fighting and mating ritual!

NO KIDDING?!?! You are the first person that has ever used that word 'buff' on me!!! WOW!!! This is an exciting moment in the life of Miss Polarpixie....formerly known as Princess Polarpixie of Tazzamantaniaranh...<sound of trumpets and party whistles in the background>

 

[danielson]

formerly known as Princess Polarpixie of Tazzamantaniaranh...<sound of trumpets and party whistles in the background>

well you look good.....aside from that sun-dial-for-a-face thing i found that moderately scary

 

[MrMuscle]

if i get attacked, be it by a man, woman, cat, dog, bull, penguin i WILL defend myself. If a person is stupid enough to lash out on me they better be prepeared to get one back. This whole debatt sucks, why should agressive women be threated anyway different than agressive men? And dont give me that horses-ass about women being the weaker sex, there are plenty og women on this board that could kick all our asses, at the same time. Its quite simple, if you get attacked, you defend yourself. if a women starts slapping me and clawing, i make sure she never does that again, to anybody. And there are alot of these women out there. They think, that because they are females they can do whatever they want and nobody will raise a hand towards them. I've seen it before and im sure i'm gonna see it again.

 

[Frackal]

Post workout ramblings

Hm, you know, I didn't REALLY think that you were pissed because some woman spurned your advances, but it looks like with that last post that somebody just can't get a date. But I suppose you're too good for those flaky girls anyway.


I know I've never talked to you, but like I said, I've been feisty lately, and I'm sick of hearing about women being "stupid" and "bitches" and "stupid bitches" when we don't act in the perfect kind of passive, kind of slutty (but not TOO slutty), intelligent (but NOT TOO SMARTASS), way that you want us too. I see girls trying to jump through these wee little hoops and it
makes me half sad and half sick.

You were right on one point Lady MacBeth. You don't know me. You don't know me for shit, not what I look like, who I am, what I am, or what I have been through.

I'm (marginally) sorry that you are sick of hearing about women being stupid, and women being bitches...but you as women are not expected to jump through little hoops. That is a total crock of shit.

As a woman, as my partner/girlfriend, I would EXPECT you to act in a RATIONAL manner, not cheat on me, not be interested in me because I have a lot of money (I don't) or because I drive a nice car (I do).

I would expect you to act with HONOR, a concept I do not feel many women are very familiar with.

You see Lady MacBeth, as a 19 year old, I would generally be naive about the many simply disgusting female traits, part of which are listed in your post of my quotes.

Things such as leaving a good, nice and decent man for a man who treats her like shit....their obsession with money, and though they all screamed and bitched for equal rights, (which I think they deserve 100%), still expect men to pay for dates, etc etc..the illogical way they justify cheating and other actions by blaming it on their boyfriend/husband (no honor) rather than accepting responsibility for their actions.....these are just a very few examples of the way the MAJORITY of (particularly western/american) women act.

All my life I have been bombarded with how "BAD" men are. Men are "DOGS," men are cheaters, men are scum, men are perverts, men are controlling, blah blah with the feminist rhetoric.

Now as I grow older, my eyes rapidly have been opened as to what women as a whole are really about.

And quite frankly, I don't remember when I have EVER been so disgusted, disillusioned, and disappointed with something in my entire life. It makes me very sad, very ANGRY and very confused about how to approach the issue of dating and women in general. My personal ideal relationship is one where my woman is my best friend, where I can trust her with my life, and can trust her not to hurt me, fuck me over, or cheat on me.

I have been severly hurt in the past, many on this board know that...an experience that has so shook me to my core that I still dream about it, feel it, and fear it often, though it's been many many months. At the same time I was going through this I supported friends such as High Intensity who were going through something even more horrible. I am generally not a very emotional person, but I have felt what it is like to be so hurt, and so sick, to just puke and puke and hyperventilate in a non-comprehending panic with the phone that brought you the bad news tightly clutched in your hand. That is the shock of pure betrayal. NO FUCKING HONOR.

Lady Macbeth, it is not about not being able to get dates, I think if I were to put some effort into it I could be quite successful with women...you can believe that or disbelieve it, that part is irrelevant to me, though I would be disappointed if people thought my anger was simply an issue of lack of success with women.... I actually have never in my life been turned down for a date, I am quite shy (getting better though) in real life and have never really pursued a woman, all my girlfriends and what not have pursued me first, including KC.

Eventually I will step into the dating arena with extreme prejudice, and extreme caution. I will give everyone a chance, but not more than one.

I could go on, but the point is Lady, the truth has been realized, and it is incredibly upsetting to me. If you dislike the way women are referred to in anger, then start a crusade to keep women from acting like stupid fucking bitches. You don't see men complaining about being called assholes, dogs, pricks, etc do you?

Stop fucking whining, start fucking changing.

That's directed at all PREDATORAY-type women in general, who are generally the perpetrators of my grievances with females.

 

[ladymacbeth]

Re: Post workout ramblings

Stop fucking whining, start fucking changing.

a. I wasn't doing any whining.
b. I don't understand what you think I need to change.

I am a stable and caring person. I don't hurt people. I don't cheat on people. I don't hate my body and I if something is wrong with my life, then I work to change it. I appreciate the same qualities in other people. I've pretty much taken care of myself for a very long time, and I don't complain.

Not one of my girlfriends cares about guys with money. We like getting gifts, but are very often embarrassed to get them, as it feels strange having money spent on us because we are used to taking care of ourselves. We are intelligent, and not afraid to express intelligence. We are respectful of other people's opinions unless those opinions are and we never get catty with one another, because we care for one another. My guy friend's are the same.

My point is that I think you are just straight up wrong about women. What you say is hurtful, and as long as you go into your relationships this way, you're not going to get anything out of them. If you are waiting for women to hurt you, then you will alienate them, making you think that they are hurting you, and the cycle continues. If you think of yourself as a good person, surround yourself with the same. It is not difficult to do.

I have never, in my entire life, heard a woman say that she wanted a guy for his money, or even that she liked the fact that he had money. NEVER IN MY LIFE, except for on television. And if you say that I just haven't met the kind of women that you're talking about, then MAYBE THE MAJORITY OF WOMEN AREN'T REALLY "BITCHES".

I have great relationships with people and am very satisfied with my life thus far. It has nothing to do with age, but everything to do with maturity and understanding. Instead of blowing up when you see a girl or woman doing something you don't like, ask her why she's doing it.

For example, I for one hate to shop, but when I have a good day, I like to buy myself a gift. It's also nice to get away from people and spend a little money on myself for awhile. I recently applied for graduation, and went out and bought myself some typical-girly lotion stuff and nail polish. I imagine (and this is soooo hypothetical) you would have been "disgusted" at me as I went through all of the samples of smelly lotion before I finally picked out the one I wanted, then spent $10 on it, "wasting my time on petty things". I don't "assume" what you're going through, but don't suppose what every woman is going through either.

 

[danielson]

Re: Re: Post workout ramblings

For example, I for one hate to shop, but when I have a good day, I like to buy myself a gift. It's also nice to get away from people and spend a little money on myself for awhile. I recently applied for graduation, and went out and bought myself some typical-girly lotion stuff and nail polish. I imagine (and this is soooo hypothetical) you would have been "disgusted" at me as I went through all of the samples of smelly lotion before I finally picked out the one I wanted, then spent $10 on it, "wasting my time on petty things". I don't "assume" what you're going through, but don't suppose what every woman is going through either.

i have a feeling you might be getting the wrong end of the stick of frackals point of view

i 'think' (he talks for himself im just guessing) he's frustrated at the fact that women are essentially able to manipulate men so easily in todays society. if i go on a date with a women, there are certain ways i am expected to act (i.e. chivalry yada yada yada), which is seemingly required of the male part of our population. meanwhile the 'rules' for females have chenaged, they aren;t the dosile creatures men used to fawn over (this is good), but there isnt a 'code of conduct' so sternly enforced in womens actions towards men.

for instance if a women was to suddenly lash out at a man, many would lookm, maybe wince, but generally not care and possibly even findit funny. whereas if a man was to do the same, in about 20 seconds i would imagine he would be the focus of some negative attenton by passers-by.

and possibly the fact that this social change has altered male-female interaction. most men find it easy to socially interact with men. if we do something right, we smile, we laugh we joke, if something is done wrong the threat of a beating is there, and as such a mutual respect is built up where men will act politely/courteously to one another due to the fact that (IMHO) ifthings go badly both could inflict a lot of damage on each other. in friendships, a camraderie builds up and this respect is built up upon.

it may be sexist of me to say this, but in the vast majority of females i've met, i dont see this. im not saying it doesnt exist. but it doesnt in male-female interactions. as such, men find it very hard (again from my point of view) to interact with women in the same way they interact with men. and since this camaraderie isnt installed in women, it allows them to manipulate men, and men are seemingly powerless to stop them in the way they are used to

so when men get hurt, they look at them meda and see this 24 hr torrent of anti men material they tend to feel a little hard done by (i was watchig heartbreak ridge (clint eastwood flick) recently....his ex takes him back even though shes engaged and shes brought him nothing but heartache, yet we're made to feel sorry for HER?!?)

maybe everything i just typed out is total bull, ive had very little sleep, been working like a dog for the last 2 days and just made this entire post up as a was writing it so its probably a whole of load of horse shit. but its my opinion



(btw its great you have such a close knit group of friends. shopping does not make you petty, and if yu hold yourself to the tenants you state, it will make you a very attractive person and not just sexually )

 

[Lao Tzu]

I locked it. It was tasteless and more to the point there IS ABSOLUTLEY NO REASON ON THIS EARTH TO HIT A WOMAN. PERIOD!!!

Unless it is a woman hitting another woman, and not a man hitting a woman. Then it isn't a crime against humanity, it is an entertaining catfight.

if women can withstand the psychological violence to conform to unrealistic standards that cause low self worth, self hate & depression a slap in the face isn't the end of humanity.

 

[JohnyJuice]

First:

You have no class if you call women "bitches". That is pimp-talk. Pimps are pieces of shit. It is a real sad commentary on our culture that "pimp" mannerisms are celebrated. Think about it: How would you like somebody calling your Mom, your sister, or your lady "bitch"?

Second:

Any man who feels the need to beat on a lady is a serious punk. Personally, when I see a guy slap a lady around, I slap him around and call him my "bitch". Who the fuck needs to resort to violence to handle a disagreement with a woman? Pathetic.

Third:

I know porno makes it look cool to treat women like garbage, but you need to think about the consequences of these attitudes. I don't want to live in a culture where women are reduced to sexual commodities.

Thats the end of my preaching.
The Aryan Soldat

Agreed.

 

[ladymacbeth]

Re: Re: Re: Post workout ramblings

i 'think' (he talks for himself im just guessing) he's frustrated at the fact that women are essentially able to manipulate men so easily in todays society. if i go on a date with a women, there are certain ways i am expected to act (i.e.

Then it is not women who are manipulating you, it is society. That is what gets me all mad. We're not doing anything bad to you. Maybe one woman did something bad, but we don't have meetings discussing just how to extract so much money from you on a date. If you want to change the status quo, then do it and just don't sit around and talk about how much it sucks.

And thanks...sometimes I think that I like to go shopping just to get away from the guys for awhile.

 

[dballer]

Re: Post workout ramblings

Things such as leaving a good, nice and decent man for a man who treats her like shit....their obsession with money, and though they all screamed and bitched for equal rights, (which I think they deserve 100%), still expect men to pay for dates, etc etc..the illogical way they justify cheating and other actions by blaming it on their boyfriend/husband (no honor) rather than accepting responsibility for their actions.....these are just a very few examples of the way the MAJORITY of (particularly western/american) women act.

and

I have been severly hurt in the past, many on this board know that...an experience that has so shook me to my core that I still dream about it, feel it, and fear it often, though it's been many many months. At the same time I was going through this I supported friends such as High Intensity who were going through something even more horrible. I am generally not a very emotional person, but I have felt what it is like to be so hurt, and so sick, to just puke and puke and hyperventilate in a non-comprehending panic with the phone that brought you the bad news tightly clutched in your hand. That is the shock of pure betrayal. NO FUCKING HONOR.

Frackal... I know this feeling.. you are not alone.

 

[AAP]

Can you imagine walking into a department store and seeing a disheveled, disoriented woman stumble by. Then spot a pissed off shoe clerk rubbing his knuckles. Bitch tried on too many pairs of pumps....

 

[polarpixie]

Re: Post workout ramblings

Stop fucking whining, start fucking changing.

That's directed at all PREDATORAY-type women in general, who are generally the perpetrators of my grievances with females.

I'll tell you why that statement can be interepreted as mildly offensive. You say that is directed at that specific group of women, but I ask you, who reads these boards? As far as I can tell, many, if not all the women who would have come across that post on this board, do not fall under that category.

I try not to get into these discussions because I know that you are all very stubborn people, who are deadset in your views. But, maybe I can help you be less offensive to us women who do not fit into that category. Frackal, Danielson, and any one else with similar experiences with women. I think it is that 'them' vs. 'us' attitude that gets a few of us women so riled up. I think that as intelligent, thinking, people, you must realize that we are all individuals, each one with different dispositions and personalities. I'm sympathetic to your pain. However, it is your personal experience, and the women whom you have crossed paths with in your life that have done you wrong. A handful of women, who have hurt you, does not constitute ALL or even MOST women. My actions, viewpoints, and experiences are similar to LadyMacbeth's in that neither myself, nor any of my female friends behave anything like how tend tp describe women. If we do comment about how a guy has money, it is made in jest and with sarcasm. You know that song, "Even though we ain't got money, I'm so in love with ya honey..."? That is the kind of love and relationship I want to have with a guy.

My point is, I think that many women, consisting of the women who peruse these boards, and the women in your life, would greatly appreciate it, if you would address your rants to and about those indivduals who have caused you such great pain, rather than addressing your negative comments to 50% of the human population.

Just to give you an example:

FALSE STATEMENT:

Things such as leaving a good, nice and decent man for a man who treats her like shit....their obsession with money, and though they all screamed and bitched for equal rights, (which I think they deserve 100%), still expect men to pay for dates, etc etc..the illogical way they justify cheating and other actions by blaming it on their boyfriend/husband (no honor) rather than accepting responsibility for their actions.....these are just a very few examples of the way the MAJORITY of (particularly western/american) women act.

TRUE STATEMENT:

Things such as leaving a good, nice and decent man for a man who treats her like shit....The women whom I, Frackal have encountered's obsession with money, and though ....they fought for equal rights, (which I think they deserve 100%), still expect men to pay for dates, etc etc..the illogical way ....The women whom I, Frackal have encountered justify cheating and other actions by blaming it on their boyfriend/husband (no honor) rather than accepting responsibility for their actions.....these are just a very few examples of the way the MAJORITY of (particularly western/american) ....the women whom I, Frackal have encountered's act.

I understand that you will feel how you feel. You are hurt and angry and you feel the need to lash out and unleash that anger, but you're going about it in an unproductive manner that is only going to help perpetuate your negative view rather than help to dispel it.

I promise, keep your heart, mind, and your eyes open to the truth and you will find someone who would never ever even entertain the thought of causing you pain, or take advantage of you in any way.

 

[Sebass67]

Hmmm...i think you are really on to something with looking at people as individuals...

Even though i still maintain that women are the devil!!!

I just found out one of my buds got cheated on by his gf of four months on his best friend.

But, i think also that women also generalize men to a certain extent as well.

Ie. I heard of a girl that thought i was some big tough big shot kinda guy and when she found out what i am really like apparently she was disappointed. Some things make you wonder sometimes.

Regardless, there are differences between men and women. This complicates the issue further.

Well, there ends another rant.

 

[polarpixie]

Hmmm...i think you are really on to something with looking at people as individuals...

haha....Sometimes it's necessary to point out the obvious!

But, i think also that women also generalize men to a certain extent as well.

True. Some women do. It's a bad practce to generalize, about anything. So why be part of the pack who do it? If everyone was gonna jump off the bridge, should you wanna do it too?

 

[Sebass67]

Hmm...i know what u mean. For the most part, i think that i generalize a bit. But i really am convinced that most people do this regardless. I think it is all part of self protection. People put up some of these barriers for safety. Sometimes you can just read people by the way they walk , the way they talk, or what they wear...i think that men are better at judging men and women women in this regard.

 

[polarpixie]

Hmm...i know what u mean. For the most part, i think that i generalize a bit. But i really am convinced that most people do this regardless. I think it is all part of self protection. People put up some of these barriers for safety. Sometimes you can just read people by the way they walk , the way they talk, or what they wear...i think that men are better at judging men and women women in this regard.

I'm going to save you some grief and clarify that you didn't mean "better at judging" as in men are better than women at judging, but rather, you meant that for most men, it is simpler to generalize rather than differentiate between individuals? Right? But didn't you say that you hated it when that it bothered you when that girl generalized with you?

 

[Sebass67]

What i mean is..

Women are better able at judging women

Men are better at judging men.

Why do i not like being generalized? Because i get more generalized than most people. I am a football player in university. I am sure you can think of some connotatiions already.

 

[polarpixie]

What i mean is..

Women are better able at judging women

Men are better at judging men.

Why do i not like being generalized? Because i get more generalized than most people. I am a football player in university. I am sure you can think of some connotatiions already.

Whatever you dumb jock.



sorry I missed that 2nd women in "women women"

 

[Sebass67]

Yeah, sometimes a guy will come up to me and say something along the lines of " At first i didn't expect him to actually be smart but than i realized he actually he had some intellignet things to say."

 

[polarpixie]

Yeah, sometimes a guy will come up to me and say something along the lines of " At first i didn't expect him to actually be smart but than i realized he actually he had some intellignet things to say."

Damn, that's gotta be so harsh! But flattering at the same time to be able to dispel a stereotype?

 

[Sebass67]

ha! funny i spelt intelligent wrong. It's one of those things where you don't know if it is a compliment or an insult. Maybe that was my whole mission all along. I didn't like the stereotype so i worked hard to destroy it. I did many things that could destroy the image of the regular football player. I think this has made me more rounded. Heck, i even sang and danced in a musical hosted by my dorm.

 

[danielson]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Post workout ramblings

Then it is not women who are manipulating you, it is society. That is what gets me all mad. We're not doing anything bad to you. Maybe one woman did something bad, but we don't have meetings discussing just how to extract so much money from you on a date. If you want to change the status quo, then do it and just don't sit around and talk about how much it sucks.

And thanks...sometimes I think that I like to go shopping just to get away from the guys for awhile.

yes, my anger is borne at society. its completly changed male-female interaction without thinkning about it in a way. most of my post was intended to point out most of my and possibly other mens anger stems from this fact, and the fact that interctingwith men is much easier/simplistic

well i'm not gonna go up to some woman i know and start shouting at her about this stuff

i have been on the receiving end of this stuff a lot (i.e. all men are pigs etc)

the 'its just one man not me' didnt help at the time. i know what your saying is correct. i also know that in my experience, on average my interactions with men have been much more well mannered than those with females (bear in mind im only 20, sadly to say most people my age are still quite immature)

i generally dont even launch into a 'damn that woman' spiel that much, but it happened on this thread because i was shocked that some men wouldnt hit a woman even to defend themselves. occasionally i'll hear a story that will piss me the fuck off....

yes, i fully acknowledge that not all women attend regional seminars on how to get money out of men. but ultimately, ive found it much safer to expect the worst than the best.....and ive been much better for it.

and in case you were wondering i dont exactly hold the majority of my gender in my age group in much esteem either.




polarpixie of course i realise every woman is different. i have met 'good women' before ya know

 

[Taps]

All you bitches better shut up before I punch you in the face.

That goes double for you, Danielson

 

[danielson]

All you bitches better shut up before I punch you in the face.

That goes double for you, Danielson

take your quasi-flirting elsewhere taps

 

[musclebrains]

This thread ignores a more important underlying question and that is whether it's ever appropriate to resort to physical violence to settle a dispute.

It's pretty widely recognized by the law and most ethical codes that it is not and even in the case where it is permitted, war, it is regulated by certain rules (thus the horror of terrorism). Even in the case of most attacks, as in the attack on a cop, the response is strictly regulated. One first attempts to contain an attacker.

What seems to occur in this thread is a covert legtimizing of violence between men despite ethical sanctions against it -- for the simple reason that it occurs. Then some of you turn around and legitimate its use with women with an argument that basically says that if they act like men they should be subject to the same violations of ethical restraints. Because women, like men, become violent, they are treated violently, the argument goes. This may be true but it doesn't actually legitimate the use of violence.

Feminisim does not argue that women share men's physical strength. The horrifying incidence of domestic violence, which is hugely more of men on women, is related to misogyny, just as its eroticizing in porn is.

Men can box and play soccer and women can mud-wrestle and join the roller derby. But the actual commission of violent acts should never be sanctioned.

 

[studly1]

Just save up your frustration and take it out on them sexually.

 

[polarpixie]

Just save up your frustration and take it out on them sexually.

That's what I do.