Why Primo Kicks Your Steroid's Ass.

[The_Eviscerator]

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Nelson loves creating controvery.. never bends... and is a drama queen.

Fonz is full of himself, has used a shit load of roids supposedly yet still has the body of a 12 year old. He says its because he plays so much soccer... yea.. whatever.

This thread gets more hilarious by the second...lol

 

[manny78]

Concerning Primo. The only cycles when I would use it would be either a short cycle with high dosage of it (600mg or even more...) or a long "bridge"/mild cycle at 200-300mg (even 400mg for some). Cause Primobolan depot is a very mild product. In order to see some big gains in a long cycle, you need to take a shitload of it, which in return might in the long run touch your HPTA. Not to mention it's expensive as hell. This is why, mg/mg, $/$ Deca is way superior. Yeah some had bad experiences (lost of libido) but it remains among the top. No wonder why here Deca is still the most prescribed med for muscle loss.

I'm actually using Primo for a short cycle and like it, but I wouldnt run for more than 3 weeks cause A- too expensive, B- it would lose its main benefit (HPTA safe/side free).

Now concerning anavar. I've use it 4 times so far. First at 40-60mg ED with milk thistle, then 20-40mg ED for the other cycles. And my liver has always remained healthy. Of course, this is just my personal experience, but still, if you run Anavar at a reasonnable dosage (20-40mg ED) I doubt you would end up with a jaundice. I know for a fact that 3 weeks on winstrol at 50mg killed my BP and put my liver in the red....

 

[The Republican]

Man, I just wet myself.

 

[Juice Authority]

i'm on week 4 of primo 400mg/deca 400mg and i must tell you that its looking like one of the best cycles i've ever done.

hard as a rock.
slight water retention.
good strength gains.

Post some pics!

 

[satchboogie]

i'm on week 4 of primo 400mg/deca 400mg and i must tell you that its looking like one of the best cycles i've ever done.

hard as a rock.
slight water retention.
good strength gains.

 

[DeepZenPill]

What a great thread.

It's very simple to disagree with Nelson's idea of Primo superiority without the flames. If repetitive posts were always met with flames then we might have only 1 thread a week that didn't result in a flamefest.

Obviously he loves the shit. He gets good results from it. He prefers it over other roids. He doesn't like having to deal with side effects.

Now let's examine his post.

I know this has been mentioned, but it bears repeating.

He's aware that he's posted about the greatness of Primo before. Don't care for it? Then ignore the fucking thread. Vote with your posts, or the lack thereof. Tired of seeing Nelson's posts? Well I'm tired of seeing inane flamefests.

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It comes down to protein synthesis. How much protein your muscles can utilize is what will determine how much muscle you grow. Of course, testosterone will increase protein synthesis too, but it will also increase weight, aggression, strength and libido, which makes it seem oh so more powerful than Primo.

Seems pretty true to me.


Butat the end of the line , 1000mgs of Primo will pt on more muscle than 1000mgs of T, and it'll do it with less suppression.

I don't know if a gram of Primo will put on more muscle than a gram of test, but I've never used those amounts of either. I think a more realistic comparison would be between 500mg of each, but then that's just nitpicking. I think 500mg of test will put on more muscle than 500mg of primo. How much of that is actually kept really depends on a variety of factors. Some people will keep most of those test gains; others will lose much of them while maintaining gains they get from primo. If you refuse to accept the FACT that people will respond differently then you have no place acting as any sort of authority on this board.


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Enter Primo -- specifcally designed to be as low in androgens as possible. Primo does essentially one thing. It uses protein to repair -- which is exactly what you want. But how many times have you heard; "Aw, Primo's weak as shit." You know why people say that? Two reasons: One; They don't take in enough protein. Without protein the steroid has nothing to do. You must saturate your bloodstream with aminos. And two: They don't train hard enough. Without sufficient muscle breakdown the drug also has nothing to do. It must recognize trauma and seek to repair it. The result? More muscle.

Seems pretty well reasoned and logical to me. Consuming more protein on primo will help maximize gains. Pretty fundamental tenet of diet while using steroids in general. Intense training is also widely accepted as necessary for maximizing gains.


But of course, testosterone will give the illusion much more dramatically leading people to believe it's stronger. It isn't. It is harsher though. And cheaper, therefore attractive.

Testosterone's sides do in fact make it look stronger. Partly because it is in fact stronger. Those sides aren't for nothing. It's androgenic effects and anabolic effects are strong. And as a stronger androgen it is also harsher. So Nelson's point gets a little muddy here when he says test isn't stronger than primo. Strength of an androgen consists of many more factors than just muscular hypertrophy.


I'd have to say that only tren and maybe d-bol beats Primo in the pure muscle growth department, but 1000 mgs of d-bol a week is out of the question and considering tren's side effects, it too isn't the wisest choice.

Yes, both D-bol and tren are very effective in stimulating muscle growth. Yes, both are harsher than primo.


No sides. Can't convert to estrogen. Doesn't bloat. Isn't as hard on hair as people think. Harly suppressive. And builds quality muscle. Primo's the shit. I'm surprised more companies haven't made their own version.

Primo does have sides. All roids do. But it definitely has minimal sides when compared to other steroids.

So there we go. Nelson's post had a few flaws, but does it call for flames? EF was my favorite BB board because for the most part it didn't suffer from egotistical members/vets asserting their superiority over other members. There have been way too many threads that have gone to shit because of immaturity as of late. Flames of any kind destroy the board. It doesn't matter who it's by. Christ, even JA has stayed pretty cool in the midst of the flaming. He even posted studies supporting Nelson's statement that oxandrolone is hepatoxic. That's what should be expected. Posts should be made to discuss the topic at hand... ANABOLICS. The nature of your posts should not change based on who else is posting. Simply not posting is better than flaming.

Now back to the topic, anavar is a great compound and I agree that it's liver toxicity is greatly exaggerated, but as a 17aa, it DOES have a level of toxicity. This is a fact. Nelson stated that var is liver toxic. It is. He was flamed for this statement just for the sake of busting his balls. It's obvious. Nobody is being fooled. Not even ulter will come on here saying that var is completely safe for your liver. Whether its hepatoxicity is anything to worry about is an entirely different topic. At sane doses I really don't think it's much of an issue at all. And I seriously doubt anyone is going to run var at doses that would be dangerous just due to the price.

 

[JG1]

i'm on week 4 of primo 400mg/deca 400mg and i must tell you that its looking like one of the best cycles i've ever done.

hard as a rock.
slight water retention.
good strength gains.

200mg primo every 4 days, 37.5mg winstrol/day....feel like granite

 

[Juice Authority]

So there we go. Nelson's post had a few flaws, but does it call for flames? EF was my favorite BB board because for the most part it didn't suffer from egotistical members/vets asserting their superiority over other members. There have been way too many threads that have gone to shit because of immaturity as of late. Flames of any kind destroy the board. It doesn't matter who it's by. Christ, even JA has stayed pretty cool in the midst of the flaming. He even posted studies supporting Nelson's statement that oxandrolone is hepatoxic. That's what should be expected. Posts should be made to discuss the topic at hand... ANABOLICS. The nature of your posts should not change based on who else is posting. Simply not posting is better than flaming.

Now back to the topic, anavar is a great compound and I agree that it's liver toxicity is greatly exaggerated, but as a 17aa, it DOES have a level of toxicity. This is a fact. Nelson stated that var is liver toxic. It is. He was flamed for this statement just for the sake of busting his balls. It's obvious. Nobody is being fooled. Not even ulter will come on here saying that var is completely safe for your liver. Whether its hepatoxicity is anything to worry about is an entirely different topic. At sane doses I really don't think it's much of an issue at all. And I seriously doubt anyone is going to run var at doses that would be dangerous just due to the price.

Excellent post. Your detailed response basically summarizes this whole discussion, including flames, in clear, concise, nice, neat orderly fashion. Very well written. Probably the best post so far on this very long thread. Karma to you!

 

[mt]

Another good thread that degenerated due to insults. Reading this thread straight through as I see it: Nelson gave his opinion on a subject. Fonz disagreed with him and then personally insulted him in the process. It's getting really tiresome, Fonz. You're a very well-informed person but your ego gets in the way. Also, JA, considering what you and Nelson has been through I think it would be best to refrain from any personal comments whether it's meant in jest or not. Nerves are too frayed at this point. Nelson seems to be holding steady but only lashes out when provoked. It would be great if things could be kept civil and mature and discuss the topic at hand.

 

[Counterstrike]

a friend of mine has 7 amps of schering primo left from a few years ago he said still good for 2 more years but he can't do anything with it what a waste I would pick EQ for primo replacement i like to see nelson try those human made eq and stop dissing on it just shoot it up and let us know what you think