why going from bulk to cut isnt a good idea....

[Its All Genetics]

for my body and genetics i dont think going from bulking into cutting is a good idea for me:

after ur done bulking your obviously going to loose some water weight esp. if u used a compound such as a bombs d bols or deca. so when u loose that water weight ur going to look more cut... also in order to keep ur gains from a bulking cycle u wanna keep lifting heavy weight low reps. if you go right into high reps low weight ur going to cut up, but ur gunna loose more of that bulk that you worked so hard for.

my idea for this year is to run my bulk of test e deca dbol till december 15 then do pct where i lift heavey weights low reps only lift less often then i am right now. wait that month and a half during pct to trying n keep most of my bulk...then go into a cutting cycle, with whutever of the bulk ive cut. during my cut i dont wanna loose much weight maybe 5 pounds tops i just wanna get shredded and get hard...


in other words i personally do not wanna run a bulker for 10 weelks and then cut 6 weeks. id rather bulk ten pct then cut for 6

 

[Guinness5.0]

for my body and genetics i dont think going from bulking into cutting is a good idea for me:

after ur done bulking your obviously going to loose some water weight esp. if u used a compound such as a bombs d bols or deca. so when u loose that water weight ur going to look more cut... also in order to keep ur gains from a bulking cycle u wanna keep lifting heavy weight low reps. if you go right into high reps low weight ur going to cut up, but ur gunna loose more of that bulk that you worked so hard for.

my idea for this year is to run my bulk of test e deca dbol till december 15 then do pct where i lift heavey weights low reps only lift less often then i am right now. wait that month and a half during pct to trying n keep most of my bulk...then go into a cutting cycle, with whutever of the bulk ive cut. during my cut i dont wanna loose much weight maybe 5 pounds tops i just wanna get shredded and get hard...


in other words i personally do not wanna run a bulker for 10 weelks and then cut 6 weeks. id rather bulk ten pct then cut for 6

I agree. You gotta 'normalize' fully and then cut. Otherwise kiss your gains goodbye.

 

[Makavelli]

I do it all the time. So do most BB's. By the way when you're dieting you still need to use heavy weight and low reps. That high rep shit is so outdated.

 

[Demonix]

I was going to say the same thing about the high rep myth and shredding as well.

I have tried the one way before. And for this cycle I am going to try bulk then cut on same run.

Like it has been said before, a lot of bb'ers do it, so there must be some point to it.

 

[needsize]

wow, good thing you guys told me this, I've been going from bulking to cutting for years, including the contest I just did, its a good thing that I now know it doesnt work.....

 

[Neo22]

for my body and genetics i dont think going from bulking into cutting is a good idea for me:

after ur done bulking your obviously going to loose some water weight esp. if u used a compound such as a bombs d bols or deca. so when u loose that water weight ur going to look more cut... also in order to keep ur gains from a bulking cycle u wanna keep lifting heavy weight low reps. if you go right into high reps low weight ur going to cut up, but ur gunna loose more of that bulk that you worked so hard for.

my idea for this year is to run my bulk of test e deca dbol till december 15 then do pct where i lift heavey weights low reps only lift less often then i am right now. wait that month and a half during pct to trying n keep most of my bulk...then go into a cutting cycle, with whutever of the bulk ive cut. during my cut i dont wanna loose much weight maybe 5 pounds tops i just wanna get shredded and get hard...


in other words i personally do not wanna run a bulker for 10 weelks and then cut 6 weeks. id rather bulk ten pct then cut for 6

omg i didnt know that low reps high weight = bulk and that high reps/low weight equal TONE =!CUt

 

[Bruce]

wow, good thing you guys told me this, I've been going from bulking to cutting for years, including the contest I just did, its a good thing that I now know it doesnt work.....

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[JumpBallWinner]

Well, first off, I don't see why people wanna keep their water bloat and consider it a gain. I always take an anti-e with every cycle. If it isn't muscle, then I don't want it. That's why I never have taken D-Bol or A bombs, and probably never will. They may do wonders while you're on them, but how much of it is actually there? Second, I don't know why some people still think that you need to suddenly change your rep numbers simply because now your "cutting". That's the kind of stuff highschool kids come into the gym saying and thinking, and all adult bodybuilders should know better. Doing low reps with heavy weight actually increases hardness and density more than does high reps which will cause more volume and pump, so wouldn't keeping the reps in the lower range actually work better with the goals you have for cutting than suddenly going to sets of 15-20 reps would? I think people get the false idea that high reps are good for cutting from the thinking that doing a longer set will cause the heart rate to get higher and therefore burn more fat, plus they feel like doing a set that "burns" is making them more cut and defined in that area. Well, if you hit a set of 8 reps hard, trust me, your heart rate is gonna be up, and if you're cutting, then you should be using a good cardio routine regardless, so that you don't depend on your weight workouts to burn fat and stimulate your heart rate to a high degree (even though a hard workout will stimulate it significantly), when they should be used to preserve/define muscle mass. It sounds to me that you're idea of "bulking/cutting" is actually more like being "water logged/not being water logged". I'm about to start a 10wk muscle building period which is gonna be immediately followed by a 5wk fat stripping period. There, I like those terms better, I think they better describe what bulking/ cutting should mean.

 

[Its All Genetics]

wow, good thing you guys told me this, I've been going from bulking to cutting for years, including the contest I just did, its a good thing that I now know it doesnt work.....

ur a huge dude, i cant argue with you, im saying with my body type and my current stats i dont wanna run a bulk and a cut in the same cycle. id rather try and keep most of my gains from the bulk then cut.

but everyone is different. ....im just saying why i dont think going from bulk to cut is a good idea..for me..


by low reps i mean 5-6 in a set
by higher reps i mean 8,9,10...which im sure for most people isnt high reps its prolly average. def would not go to 15-20

 

[RADAR]

wow, good thing you guys told me this, I've been going from bulking to cutting for years, including the contest I just did, its a good thing that I now know it doesnt work.....

you & i have been doing it all wrong........................LMAO!


RADAR

 

[satchboogie]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=414107&highlight=year+plan

 

[Guinness5.0]

wow, good thing you guys told me this, I've been going from bulking to cutting for years, including the contest I just did, its a good thing that I now know it doesnt work.....

To clarify, I was supporting the notion of completing PCT before cutting. I was not condemning switching the focus of a cycle from bulking to cutting (i.e. bulkng 12 weeks, cutting 6, coming off).

Do you think it's a good idea to finish a cycle, then immediately go into caloric deficit? I don't.

 

[needsize]

To clarify, I was supporting the notion of completing PCT before cutting. I was not condemning switching the focus of a cycle from bulking to cutting (i.e. bulkng 12 weeks, cutting 6, coming off).

Do you think it's a good idea to finish a cycle, then immediately go into caloric deficit? I don't.

you will lose a lot less mass going from bulking to cutting, then doing pct first, as you are still on the steroids, whose primary function is to maintain mass in people with wasting diseases, like cancer, aids, etc. When you come off, your body just wants homeostasis, meaning it wants to go back to where it was before the cycle, so thats why its so hard to maintain your gains post cycle, even with proper diet and training. Throw in a diet, and you will piss away mass like its going out of style
But on the flip side, I have not lost mass any of the times I went from bulking to cutting, while staying on the drugs

Radar, wow, you too, damn, I dont feel so left out of the loop now...

As for the rep scheme, they dont matter when cutting, not for bf loss, or muscle tone. Whats way more important is cutting your rest periods, to keep your heart rate up. I've gotten on stage, at under 5% bf, leanest guy in the show, with cuts and striations everywhere, and pretty much all my training was still low rep

 

[WannaBeBig72]

you will lose a lot less mass going from bulking to cutting, then doing pct first, as you are still on the steroids, whose primary function is to maintain mass in people with wasting diseases, like cancer, aids, etc. When you come off, your body just wants homeostasis, meaning it wants to go back to where it was before the cycle, so thats why its so hard to maintain your gains post cycle, even with proper diet and training. Throw in a diet, and you will piss away mass like its going out of style
But on the flip side, I have not lost mass any of the times I went from bulking to cutting, while staying on the drugs

Radar, wow, you too, damn, I dont feel so left out of the loop now...

As for the rep scheme, they dont matter when cutting, not for bf loss, or muscle tone. Whats way more important is cutting your rest periods, to keep your heart rate up. I've gotten on stage, at under 5% bf, leanest guy in the show, with cuts and striations everywhere, and pretty much all my training was still low rep

I tried that, going into caloric defecit and cutting right after my previous bulking cycle. To make a long story short I ended up loosing everything (I'm still pissed about it). To make matters worse I was also using some shity whey protein that I bought from Costco (in retrospect I realize I wasn't digesting it), I was drinking alot of it. I'm starting my next cycle in a couple of weeks. Was thinking of staying on TestCyp(500mgs) an extra 5 weeks, basically extending it to 19-20 weeks to help me shed any excess fat I'll accumulate. I mean how unhealthy can it be to stay on test an extra 5 weeks. I hope it won't make my recovery any harder...

 

[crunkjuice]

you will lose a lot less mass going from bulking to cutting, then doing pct first, as you are still on the steroids, whose primary function is to maintain mass in people with wasting diseases, like cancer, aids, etc. When you come off, your body just wants homeostasis, meaning it wants to go back to where it was before the cycle, so thats why its so hard to maintain your gains post cycle, even with proper diet and training. Throw in a diet, and you will piss away mass like its going out of style
But on the flip side, I have not lost mass any of the times I went from bulking to cutting, while staying on the drugs

Radar, wow, you too, damn, I dont feel so left out of the loop now...

As for the rep scheme, they dont matter when cutting, not for bf loss, or muscle tone. Whats way more important is cutting your rest periods, to keep your heart rate up. I've gotten on stage, at under 5% bf, leanest guy in the show, with cuts and striations everywhere, and pretty much all my training was still low rep

excellent post. I was planning on doing it this way anyway and now that I have the words of a true guru to back it up, its for sure. Thanks Needsize
You must spread some Karma around before giving it to needsize again.

 

[tokebloke]

Whats way more important is cutting your rest periods, to keep your heart rate up.

exactly.......if you rest less then 45-60 secs inbetween sets u burn average of 50% more calories. It def works.

 

[Guinness5.0]

NS-

yeah that's what I'm saying - a lot of newbies (at least from what I've seen) cycle, then want to diet down right after coming off. What happened to Wannabebig is what would prob. happen to just about anyone who did that.

I'm with ya on the rep schemes - the point I was trying to support was that less advanced trainees who don't stay on for most of the year should 'normalize' for a period (IMHO even longer than PCT) to retain bulking gains as best as possible. I realize there is probably a limited window where this would be effective - I've run two cycles and I think this would work for me if I got the training/diet nailed down.

I'd like to see what you guys (RADAR and NS) think of this scenario for someone who wants to look decent but not stay on all the time:

-gain mass w/ (just for example) test/deca Jan, feb, march, then PCT, then maintain for a bit (possibly adding a bit of BF so as to keep as much muscle as possible - I think caloric excess and the anabolism it enables is necessary for maximal gain retention)

-cut with gear June and july, netting a physique with more muscle and a lower bf% than what the person started with in December, and that stays that way assuming good diet/training.

 

[danasti]

wow, good thing you guys told me this, I've been going from bulking to cutting for years, including the contest I just did, its a good thing that I now know it doesnt work.....

Maybe your arms will stop looking so small and puffy - soon you could start to see a few striations, a little definition. Of course, after you stop loosing all your gains (from switching diet/steroids??)... ughh??

 

[RADAR]

NS-

yeah that's what I'm saying - a lot of newbies (at least from what I've seen) cycle, then want to diet down right after coming off. What happened to Wannabebig is what would prob. happen to just about anyone who did that.

I'm with ya on the rep schemes - the point I was trying to support was that less advanced trainees who don't stay on for most of the year should 'normalize' for a period (IMHO even longer than PCT) to retain bulking gains as best as possible. I realize there is probably a limited window where this would be effective - I've run two cycles and I think this would work for me if I got the training/diet nailed down.

I'd like to see what you guys (RADAR and NS) think of this scenario for someone who wants to look decent but not stay on all the time:

-gain mass w/ (just for example) test/deca Jan, feb, march, then PCT, then maintain for a bit (possibly adding a bit of BF so as to keep as much muscle as possible - I think caloric excess and the anabolism it enables is necessary for maximal gain retention)

-cut with gear June and july, netting a physique with more muscle and a lower bf% than what the person started with in December, and that stays that way assuming good diet/training.

One of the primary mistakes most people make after running a cycle is shortly after PCT they begin slacking on their training & diet!As we all now you need those extra calories just as much now as you did running gear.


I also agree that the above will work,with excess calories you will always put on some extra dat ,but come cutting you will also find under that fat new muscle.



RADAR

 

[needsize]

if you are going to do this, try and transition a bit into the diet, dont go from 6000 calories one day, to 2500 the next, you will likely lose mass. Also, you will feel like you are losing some when you start, as that water that seemed a lot like real muscle, will disappear right away, but as long as your diet is good(enough protein), your training is solid, and you are on cycle, then its not mass you are losing. I thought I was pissing away mass at the beginning of this contest diet, but at the end realized I hadnt, and was actually a whole lot bigger than I thought I was