Why Don’t I see more freaks with all the gear people are taking

[Quadsweep]

"Genetics rule everything"



What a load of crap. Ever heard of fucking WILLPOWER? WILL rules everything. TENACITY rules everything. Genetics can rule my fucking nutsack. I'll take a good diet, HARD workout routine, and an INDOMITABLE will over genetics ANY fucking day of the week, and twice on Sundays.

I am sorry but I know people that do not grow well regardless of what they do. They just have a low genetic limit. I also know people that can take a VERY low dose and grow like hell with shitty training and a medicore diet. .........I will take genetics!

Quad

 

[bigp3]

Yup.

I have to agree with the below statement made by riker. What is the percentage of people that train, supplement and eat correctly that make to the pros. I would bet my nuts that almost anyone on this board could at least be a top level amatuer or the biggest guy at their gym if they did everything right. I do agree that some people are more apt to build muscle and stay lean than others. But, for the most part people are pretty much the same or medicine would not work. Think about it,,, if our genetics were dramatically different from one person to another there is no way doctors could treat people. Medicine seems to work the same across the board for the most part. It is the odd man out that a known medical treatment does not work for than does. So, with this in mind we are all very similar genetically.

As for Dorian Yates,,, I saw about 20 guys that looked like he did in the begining at my gym last night. The difference,,, Dorian had the fortitude to put in the required work to make it where he did. He managed to blast his way up to where he made it by training hard and eating correctly. Dorian was also a thinking man and he did not blindly follow what everyone else in bodybuilding was doing at the time. He used low volume and high intensity.

I would bet my paycheck that there are at least 2 or 3 people that we all personally know that could be a pro if they had a work ethic. I believe the rare person that makes it to the top is the one who has a work ethic like no one else and not so much a gift in the genetics department. I do not disagree there are some freaks that can watch TV and get big, but these guys will never win the olympia without a work ethic. To many people use genetics as a cop out for their lack of success.

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From rikers post

I think 45% of those who train dont train hard enough.

Another 45% of those who train OVER train massively.

That leaves 10% who are in the right training range, and of those maybe 25% have their diet correct.

Given those numbers, then maybe 2.5% of the total guys who lift are in the ballpark of doing things correctly.

Dave Riker

 

[The_Eviscerator]

I would bet my nuts that almost anyone on this board could at least be a top level amatuer or the biggest guy at their gym if they did everything right.

I wouldn't make that bet, a penis looks kind of funny without its two friends hanging below.

 

[Becoming]

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Originally posted by The_Eviscerator
I wouldn't make that bet, a penis looks kind of funny without its two friends hanging below.
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Nice one.... though I would have to think it is somewhere between genetics and diet/training...

BUT.... If you think it is up to genetics mainly, you are already setting yourself up for failure.... and it will never happen...

ON THE OTHER HAND... If you think it is only diet and training, you are more likely to achieve what is maximally possible....

(Unless you are like me and you have come to believe yourself to have superior genetics- though I was quite ordinary when I began)

 

[The_Eviscerator]

Nice one.... though I would have to think it is somewhere between genetics and diet/training...

BUT.... If you think it is up to genetics mainly, you are already setting yourself up for failure.... and it will never happen...

ON THE OTHER HAND... If you think it is only diet and training, you are more likely to achieve what is maximally possible....

(Unless you are like me and you have come to believe yourself to have superior genetics- though I was quite ordinary when I began)

I really don't think that realizing your genetic potential is impossible.... but you have to be a realist. If you are 5' 7" with small bone structure you will never squat 1000 pounds no matter how fucking hard you train, eat or supplement. In your quest to do so you will injure yourself before you ever reach that goal. It is just common sense. Genetics is a limiting factor, but I agree that too many people give up before they start because of the lame excuse that I have bad genetics.

Let's not deny the fact that some are more gifted than others, but let's not use it as a crutch to support poor work ethic. I think people have misconstrued the argument. To deny that 99% of the pros are genetic freaks is a mistake. The top 20 at the Olympia are hard working, genetically jacked motherfuckers. According to some sources, many of them aren't even that hard working as one would believe. Levrone doesn't even work-out for part of the year. Tell me he doesn't have genetics out the ass.

Compare that to a guy who has to work every hour of every day to achieve his physique and still comes up short in comparison. Life sucks for him.

 

[zOOmz]

Focus/effort is a main issue:

Why do people get into heavy dicussion on topics such as site injection when they (that day) had two beers, had a twinky and skipped meal two.

You get my point. It's simple (not easy) to earn yourself a fair physique.

Genetics only play a minor role at the level most of the people you read about on the boards. It however seperates winners and loosers at an elite level cause were talking cunt hairs of difference. Unfortunatly genetics is an excuse.

People don't "do"... doing is this final judge. Plus they jump over the dollars to get to the nickles as I pointed out above

 

[Whiskey]

I agree with you totally bigp3. I have some friends that tried using, got half assed good results, and now are nothing. They never kept up the diet and their workouts. and they wonder howcome I stay fairly built. What is even funnier, when you tell them, they look at you like an idiot

Whiskey

 

[slobberknocker]

Genetics only play a minor role at the level most of the people you read about on the boards. It however seperates winners and loosers at an elite level cause were talking cunt hairs of difference. Unfortunatly genetics is an excuse.

That's what I'm trying to say.

Genetics will separate winners and losers at the ELITE level. But I think you can get pretty fucking big with shitty genetics, if you apply every last ounce of your will towards your training and diet.

 

[zOOmz]

golden nugget tip:

You do what they "do" and in most cases you'll have what they have....PERIOD

After your in the ball park, then its genetics that govern, not before.

 

[Becoming]

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Originally posted by The_Eviscerator

Compare that to a guy who has to work every hour of every day to achieve his physique and still comes up short in comparison. Life sucks for him.
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I think we agree on the major points, though I would rather be this guy than the sad sack with all the gifts and none of the go... for the guy with all the potential who just sits on the couch....man, what a waste...

Of course, if I was a smaller guy looking at me, I might think differently...

Then again, just the other day I saw a guy who I spoke with awhile ago, apparently he had since made the decision to really get after it since then....and was getting great results...There is always another level to step to....

I think Whiskey and Zooms are right on though, I see way too many people putting the cart before the horse (how do I get a bigger ____? Answer: throw more weight on!)