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Why does negativity exist?

Lumberg

Lumberg

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What is the point?

The only explanation that I can come up with is that it is like the fire that burns within us to make us go and do things.

Other than that there is no real explanation for it whatsoever.
 
vixenbabe said:
It shows that a person has no inner strength!
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What if a person is just grumpy. Does that person need to apply inner strength not to be negative to the one that causes the grumpy state?
 
CipherLock said:
What if a person is just grumpy. Does that person need to apply inner strength not to be negative to the one that causes the grumpy state?
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We each have the choice to be what we are in ANY point in our life. We can be "grumpy " and allow that crap to shine thru to other's..OR... WE can reach deep into ourselves and find what is making up un-happy and fix it!
 
vixenbabe said:


We each have the choice to be what we are in ANY point in our life. We can be "grumpy " and allow that crap to shine thru to other's..OR... WE can reach deep into ourselves and find what is making up un-happy and fix it!
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Exactly. I have figured that out a long time ago. That has made me a very happy man. It changed my life.
 
All the opposites shite is the cop out answer.

vixen you just proved my point. the negativity is what gives you the motivation to change. if the negativity wasn't there there would be nothing to change and therefore no motivation

I would venture to say the all the great accomplishments and people of the world were created by a reaction against negativity. The Great Wall of China was erected to keep the barbarians out. Most great people are motivated by a desire to change how things are. That means in their minds something is wrong with the way things are and therefore something must be changed.
 
Lumberg said:
vixen you just proved my point. the negativity is what gives you the motivation to change. if the negativity wasn't there there would be nothing to change and therefore no motivation
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I watched a beloved friend of mine die a few weeks ago from cancer.

John did not have a choice to get motivated to make himself well again. He was going to die NO matter what meds, or positive healing power he had within himself. He went thru HELL too!

Did he feel sorry for himself and hate the world? Nope, his choice was to live every LAST second with his family and loved ones LAUGHING AND LOVING each moment til he died.

He inspired me, even in death, with his last choice.
 
Lumberg said:
Was he miserable at one point and did he change?

Or was it his nature to love and laugh every moment?
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I watched a 200 lb, Greek God dwindle down to 125 lbs. ( Talk about strength, huh?)

He NEVER bitched once to his family and friends when we were around him, and trust me, we were around allll the time!


It was his nature NOT to mourn ANY shitty hand dealt to him in life. He'd not allow any terror stop him from doing what he loved best: Laugh and love freely with his family and friends.

Yeah, misery came when it dawned on him he may not be able to talk anymore. He was getting far too weak. His last words to me were, " Thanks for coming into my life. Please take care of Lilly for me. I love you".

I miss him...God, I miss him!:bawling:
 
Negativity has to exist if positivity exists.
Checks and balances.
Conservation of energy.
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction.

If you can feel good, then you have to feel bad.

The ying and the yang.
 
every action has an equal and opposite reaction

Positive Post on a battery can not provide energy with a negative post or a ground.

Ying Yang

salt pepper

checks balances

It all works together for good depending on your perspective and approach.
 
I've noticed that about those with cancer. The ones I've known (3) are the most positive and grateful people around. I think that the reason is that if you know you've got xx months to live that there's no point bitching about useless things...
 
Silent Method said:
If there were no negative there could exist no positive.
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What if we suddenly removed all of the negative? The lack of positive would still exist, but things would only be able to get better, because only positive things would exist.
 
Lumberg said:
All the opposites shite is the cop out answer.

vixen you just proved my point. the negativity is what gives you the motivation to change. if the negativity wasn't there there would be nothing to change and therefore no motivation

I would venture to say the all the great accomplishments and people of the world were created by a reaction against negativity. The Great Wall of China was erected to keep the barbarians out. Most great people are motivated by a desire to change how things are. That means in their minds something is wrong with the way things are and therefore something must be changed.
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You are speaking of negative reinforcement. What about pure positive reinforcement?

One rationalization is that if there was only positive, there would be no elimination of less useful positives. It could be an elimination process to keep things in balance.
 
plornive said:
What if we suddenly removed all of the negative? The lack of positive would still exist, but things would only be able to get better, because only positive things would exist.
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The point is that you cannot remove all of the negativity and still have positive. Because negativity does exist we have a reference for positivity. Remove negative (or "bad") and the concept of positive (or "good") cannot exist.

I understand full well the concept of "better positives" in relation to "lesser positives." However, consider the continuum of energy and nature of energy.

The discrete interval where negative meets positive is neutrality - the fulcrum between the polar opposites. Shorten the lever extending from one side of the fulcrum and the lever extending from the other side must be shortened equally. One side cannot be erased without erasing the other side as well - leaving only neutrality.
 
plornive said:
You are speaking of negative reinforcement. What about pure positive reinforcement?

IS there such a thing?

One rationalization is that if there was only positive, there would be no elimination of less useful positives. It could be an elimination process to keep things in balance.
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Good point. But how long does this process continue? I think this explanation implies that eventually all the less useful positives woudl be eliminated and we would be "pure."

I think impurity is what makes us human and this impurity will never cease to exist. Or on the flip side if it ever ceases to exist we sill cease to be human.

NB said it is easier to be nagative than positive. This will always be true. This is also something Hitler knew very well and he was able to exploit hatred to rise to power. We all know how that turned out.

It's a confusing issue but negativity is not something you can avoid or eliminate. To believe you can is to live in a dream world.
 
Ashamed said:
it's usually a result of underlying anxiety or depression.
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I agree with this statement.

I believe a person's emotional state and state of mind have everything to do with someone being negative.

For me personally, I find I can consciously make the choice whether or not to be positive or negative.

Then again, I know for a fact, I have a very strong constitution. I just don't feel it very much right now.
 
Silent Method said:

The point is that you cannot remove all of the negativity and still have positive. Because negativity does exist we have a reference for positivity. Remove negative (or "bad") and the concept of positive (or "good") cannot exist.

I understand full well the concept of "better positives" in relation to "lesser positives." However, consider the continuum of energy and nature of energy.

The discrete interval where negative meets positive is neutrality - the fulcrum between the polar opposites. Shorten the lever extending from one side of the fulcrum and the lever extending from the other side must be shortened equally. One side cannot be erased without erasing the other side as well - leaving only neutrality.
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I agree with you in the sense that you are arguing. Our current definition of 'positive' was made in the presence of the concept and manifestation of 'negative'. Remove 'negative', and positive ceases to be a valid concept based on that new reality.

However, Lumberg didn't ask why the concept 'negative' exists. He asked why negative exists. I think you might argue that the fulcrum would simply change and a level of positive would be redifined as negative. I wonder if this is immaterial for Lumberg. He should specify.
 
Lumberg said:


Good point. But how long does this process continue? I think this explanation implies that eventually all the less useful positives woudl be eliminated and we would be "pure."

I think impurity is what makes us human and this impurity will never cease to exist. Or on the flip side if it ever ceases to exist we sill cease to be human.

NB said it is easier to be nagative than positive. This will always be true. This is also something Hitler knew very well and he was able to exploit hatred to rise to power. We all know how that turned out.

It's a confusing issue but negativity is not something you can avoid or eliminate. To believe you can is to live in a dream world.
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For humans, I doubt there is a such thing as pure positive reinforcement. But positive and negative do not only apply to humans. I'll stop right here and say that I think humans inherently have positives and negatives such as pleasure and pain. But I assume your question was more universal and more purely metaphysical.

I don't think we need to go towards purity. I think we could go towards infinite goodness, whatever that is.

The word positive and negative could be redefined. But then they wouldn't be the same words.

Negative is a concept that exists in the context of the reality surrounding humans. Reality, in the context of humans, contains negatives. Change reality to exist without negatives, and the concepts of 'negative' and 'positive' are no longer valid.

But there could be a new kind of positive, defined in a purely non-negative reality. "Super-Posi"
 
plornive said:
However, Lumberg didn't ask why the concept 'negative' exists. He asked why negative exists. I think you might argue that the fulcrum would simply change and a level of positive would be redifined as negative.
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True enough, but it's a conceptual question. Again, positive could not exist without negative, regardless of the anthropomorphized attributions we associate with the terms. Without both negative and positive there would only be neutrality.

Short answer - universal neutrality (by that I mean neutrality that is manifest in everything at all times) would imply a uniformly static nature.

Is nature uniformly static throughout all of it's aspects? Absolutely not.



To question the reason for the existence of negativity is to question existence itself.
 
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