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why does africa suck sooo much?

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Re: Re: why does africa suck sooo much?

nordstrom said:



I'm pretty sure it was the world bank, not america that donated the $500 million.

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/020208/afp/020208003238top.html

THE WORLD BANK, INCIDENTALLY, IS A U.N. ORGANIZATION.

In fact the USA (despite what Americans seem to think) is one of the stingiest aid donors of all developed countries. What aid it does give tends to go to places like Egypt or Israel to support military expenditure.

Scandanavian countries are the most generous giving about 5 or 6 times more as a percentage of GDP than the USA. The last figures I saw (which are a few years old I must admit) showed that the US gave about the same amount of aid as France which is a country with 5 times fewer people than the US.

The last time i investigated this was a few years back. I wonder if things have changed. Some how I doubt it.
 
Casablanca said:
Helping another country or more precisely feeding hungry children and sheltering sick people is a human gesture. I could never eat a cheeseburger and walk by a starving person without sharing. That's what it comes down to. The US IS the most powerful country and the wealthiest. It has a big heart and must continue sharing food.

CAGED whiteman
You're talking as if Africa wasn't filled with HUMANS such as you and I. They just happen not to be as lucky as you are to have been born and raised here. Open up your mind a bit...

THANK YOU!!
 
SmegmaSoldier said:


in a poll people find it easy to be nice. in reality people would rather have their tax dollars than give them away to foreign countries. it is a gross mismanagement of funds for our government to be giving away money like this. thats not what our government is for.

Right, it's for other, poorer governments to provide humanitarian aid around the globe...and for us to continue being mystified why America is despised.

And what is the point of taking polls if their results are immediately discredited?
 
also most of the countries in africa were pawns in the cold war game, where both the USSR and the USA supported thugs and crooks that pledged allegiance to each side. Both cold war foes pumped tons of cash to these governments, which was primarly squandered on opulance and millitary. The people of these countires never saw anything. When the cold war ended everybody pulled out and let them fend for themselves.

One thing I've noticed, most africans that come to the US work their asses off, and some that I've talked to generally don't really like american black people. I've heard the term lazy being used. interesting.
 
SmegmaSoldier said:


because its their job to look out for their interests. if we feel that it best suits us to promote someone then fine, they dont have to support him. in the end you cant blame someone else for your problems you have to deal with them yourself.

its like saying if the canadians promoted homer simpson to president in ur country to suit their needs (laughter), and he went about killing the poplation, siphoning all money and natural resources to himself, u shoukdnt be pissed at the canadians because homer simpson is an american and should be looking out for his countrymans interests

there are jews that believe that israel is an illigitamate state and should be crushed. if they were to seize control of israel due to arabic help would they be accountable. damn straight
 
The Nature Boy said:
also most of the countries in africa were pawns in the cold war game, where both the USSR and the USA supported thugs and crooks that pledged allegiance to each side. Both cold war foes pumped tons of cash to these governments, which was primarly squandered on opulance and millitary. The people of these countires never saw anything. When the cold war ended everybody pulled out and let them fend for themselves.

One thing I've noticed, most africans that come to the US work their asses off, and some that I've talked to generally don't really like american black people. I've heard the term lazy being used. interesting.

over here ther are many cases of racist 'west indian' black violence against 'african' blacks
 
nordstrom said:


the correct quote was 'a scar on our consciences' not on the wests. And it was about our indifference to the poverty disease & state repression that occurs in africa.

I don't see why people are opposed to helping africa out. Its not like helping people is a bad thing unless you benefit from it. I could give a shit less if i have to pay upwards of $3 a year in taxes to prevent serious suffering for millions of people.

even so, it does benefit us, according to Tony Blair

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/newsid_1575000/1575428.stm

"If the world continues to ignore the sufferings of African nations, like in the war- ravaged Democratic Republic of Congo, it would breed anger and frustration which would threaten global stability," he said.

God bless the british. 0.7% GNP for humanitarian aid, pro ICC, pro UN, excellent economy, no dental hygiene, etc.

damn u nordstrom i mis-quoted him for a reason! i knew he wasnt speaking specifically about the cold war (what giovernment is gona admit responsibilty for all the woes of africa), but it can be viewed that the state oppression in soe cases is a result of the USSR vs US actions in africa like natureboy pointed out.

i also find it hard to believe that people are so opposed to aid to africa when 4 billion is given to both israel and egypt, most of which gets funneled into both countries milittaries


and fuck u dental care is free here so nananana nee na. the fact i havent seen a dentist in 10 yrs is purely coincidental :D
 
Africa has a huge problem with AIDS because most people there can't read or write. They have NO IDEA how disease spreads. So, they get sick. They die.

It really comes down to whether you want to help feed the starving and stop people from needlessly dying or not, until such time as they are sufficiently educated to make the choice of condoms or not for themselves. Personally, I'm quite happy to pay taxes for this. I'd FAR rather my taxes went on that than some politician's trip to tartan day in New York, apparently, the Scottish parliament spent a quarter of a million pounds (350k bucks) on this.

You would NOT have to pay MORE taxes, it's a question of the govt reallocating its budget for new carpet in govt offices, maybe buy slightly less expensive paperclips, hey, maybe not make the state of California pay 3 times the usual price for energy from Enron and their ilk....

The govt is there to manage the state for everyone. There is no reason that you HAVE to be nice to other people. You can walk straight past someone starving to death jingling your change in your pocket if you want. Fine. But stop asking "why does everyone think being nice is a good idea" because I think the answer there is obvious.
If you can't understand why people don't like you for being a scrooge or a meanie, or coming across as one, then you need to visit your nearest church and talk to the reverend about christian values.

My charity donations are done via a direct debit at the start of the month. It's like voluntary additional taxation. Because that 15 dollars or whatever a month is taken out before I see it, I don't miss it. However, I might not be able to spare 15 out of my pocket in the street in the middle of the month. Most people are shitty at organising their time and money. This is why charities here increasingly encourage people to set up this kind of transaction instead of soliciting direct donations in the street.

In France, you pay your income tax once a year. Or is it twice? YOU have to save it up until they ask for it. That is NO FUN and lots of people can't manage it and end up in the financial shithole regularly. We know that if everyone was perfect, they could find that extra 5 dollars for a starving family, but they are not, they cannot manage their way out of a paper bag, so the govt does the management for them. Smae with foreign aid. Most people would not mind if they found out 10 dollars a year of their tax had actually been used for something useful. They might not be able to give it to you on a given day though.

The other reason is, you would be AMAZED what a dollar is worth in the 3rd world. We're talking enough to feed a family for 2 days. Anyone who has ever gone on holiday in Thailand, India, Egypt etc will notice this. So your money goes a LONG way.

You don't have to be nice. But it's nice to be nice.

circusgirl
 
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