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Why do my arms "look" bigger?

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SofaGeorge

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This is going to sound a little stupid, but I'm experimenting with an unusual strength/growth enhancing agent called carao... and I'm trying to figure out part of what is happening.

I'm completely off AAS now, have been for some time, and am only taking carao (a fruit extract.) I would normally not expect to see much happen taking something like carao, but I have noticeable strength gains and very very slight weight gain... and now I'm definitely sure my arms are noticeably bigger... but in a weird way.

If I measure my arms for circumference they are slightly larger than they were before... maybe 1/4th of an inch... not enough to really be that noticeable. But if you look at them... they look like they've almost doubled in size. The muscle on my bi's and tri's seems fuller going all the way up and down my arm. (It's not like the muscle got bigger around... it's like everything got fuller length wise.)

I'm 43 and have been juicing for 20 years. I know my arms... and there is no change in training routine or drug use that I can think of that would cause this kind of noticeable change - and I don't even really know how to define this kind of change.

Can anyone speculate on what would change the look of my bi's and tri's length wise and why they would appear fuller up and down my arm... but apparently not change much in circumference.

Carao is noted to increase hemoglobin by 130%. Is this an effect of increased hemoglobin? It looks like good hard dense muscle. It's not puffy or water gain.

I've also got to add... I like the look. It definitely improves my arms. It's just not an effect I can figure out. It also isn't a kind of improvement that I can see coming from training or drugs. (Hence, I ask if anyone can speculate that this is caused by increased hemoglobin or what?)

Also, I know for sure this isn't in my head. I noticed it, but then I had both my girlfriend and my daughter point it out to me.
 
Curioius.

Perhaps the the result is from blood "thickening" of a sort, maybe causing your skin, as well as muscle, to increase in density. Perhaps this hardened up the soft spots in the curvature of your arm, essentially increasing deffinition while adding instead of loosing fluid/tissue?
 
I think it is like gear, and you have more blood in your system

Also it just sounds like your muscles are getting bigger, from your training
 
To really see what that carao does, you should get a check on red blood cell count and hematocrit value. It´s not expensive and will probably reveal the mysterious arm size developement.
 
Ok that's it. I am definately going to get me a bottle or 2 to use post cycle. Only way to find out to see if it works for me. Thx again bro.
 
gainerxxl said:
To really see what that carao does, you should get a check on red blood cell count and hematocrit value. It´s not expensive and will probably reveal the mysterious arm size developement.
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I'll try to do that. I'm also feeling this in my shins of all places... and it isn't pleasant. I can't describe it other than to say my shins feel "full" like they are pumped with blood and hurt when I try to run sprints. It makes my calves look great... fullest I've ever had them (and you can see the cuts across the room) but it is greatly hampering my sprint training. I tried to run three sets of 200 yards yesterday... and had to turn around and come home. I felt like my shins were made of lead... and I couldn't even begin to get my speed up.

I'm going to try again today. I'm hoping that if I stretch and warm up more it won't be as hard.
 
Enigmaxxx7 said:



me either. where can i get some?
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So far this is the only guy making it I've found. I've asked people to post up if they find anybody else. Nobody has yet... which leads me to think he is the only guy selling it on the 'net.

http://www.costa-rica-natural.com/

I've gotten some letters from him describing picking it and making the extract. The whole process seems very labor intensive and not a high yielding venture (i.e., he can't make much of it.) He is using me as his only testimonial so far. I don't think he made it thinking there was going to be a weightlifter market. He was originally looking at it as an anemia cure.
 
It's a hallucinogenic so you probably just see your arms as being bigger even though they are the same size. Next time you piss you will probably see your penis as being longer then 1 1/2" but in reality its not :D ;) :lmao: :lmao:
 
marky said:
Whats the breakdown on the ingredients of the suppliment?
Whats your BP at this time? Curious.
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It's an "extract" but it really looks like a syrup. It's made from the "pods" of the carao tree. I'm not sure what percentage concentraition/dilution it is. Originally the guy had sugar can syrup mixed in... but I bitched and complained about it... and now he sells the pure extract without the sugar cane mixed in.

I'll get my BP checked. Good question.
 
Hey sofa, how do you pay for this stuff? By check? I'm a little leery of using a credit card since it's not a "secure" site (i.e. no "https" or little lock in the corner of the browser). thanks.
 
EngiCream said:
Hey sofa, how do you pay for this stuff? By check? I'm a little leery of using a credit card since it's not a "secure" site (i.e. no "https" or little lock in the corner of the browser). thanks.
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I ordered before the credit card thing was set up. I'm begging the guy to get PayPal. I've only got one bottle left and have to reorder soon.
 
SofaGeorge said:


I ordered before the credit card thing was set up. I'm begging the guy to get PayPal. I've only got one bottle left and have to reorder soon.
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That would definitely be good if he did that. This stuff is so cheap that I figure I might as well give it a try.
 
EngiCream said:


That would definitely be good if he did that. This stuff is so cheap that I figure I might as well give it a try.
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I don't know if you saw my earlier posts on it... but so far my deads have gone up 40 lbs. I'm at all time highs on all lifts... can completely off juice.

I'm going to start a d-bol/deca/test cycle in three weeks... about 1500mg a week test... should be damn interesting to see how carao stacks into that.
 
SofaGeorge said:
I don't know if you saw my earlier posts on it... but so far my deads have gone up 40 lbs. I'm at all time highs on all lifts... can completely off juice.
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Yep I have been reading your updates on it, that's why it sounds so interesting to me.
 
Anyone know the active ingredient in this product that actually causes the increase in blood volume and by what mechanism does it do this by.
 
Mike P.T. said:
Anyone know the active ingredient in this product that actually causes the increase in blood volume and by what mechanism does it do this by.
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I ran a search on Medlars and Medline... there appear to be a couple active agents. PM me in the morning when I have time to go back to the research and I'll try to post them.

None of the research I found though indicated what active ingredietn would increase hemoglobin or strength.

Research on carao appears to be extremely scanty. What would really help is if we could get a native Spanish speaker interested in helping with the research. There seems to be a lot on the net written about it in Spanish.
 
Sofa where did you find out about this product especially since this is the only site that sells it?Did u read up on it then search for an internet supplier or did he contact you?
 
IronKop77 said:
Sofa where did you find out about this product especially since this is the only site that sells it?Did u read up on it then search for an internet supplier or did he contact you?
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There is a cattle anemia study that was published in Spanish. It was the only thing I found in English. I found it when I was looking for cattle studies on fina. This guy was the only site I could find that had carao. I doubt it is the only site selling it. I think it is probably jsut the only one in English. Carao seems to be a well known folk medicine in that region. Somebody else HAS to sell it... so hopefully we will get some more sites soon. I've asked a couple times for people to post up sites if they find them. So far though nobody has posted any others. I think we are limited as there don't seem to be any Spanish speakers interested in helping with the research.

You don't happen to speak Spanish do you?
 
B182 said:
sofageorge, please link/PM me with the spanish research, thanks.
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I got them by typing "carao" and "cassia grande" into GOOGLE. It gave me a ton of links... almost all Spanish. I didn't know which ones to touch on, but I could see "anemia" in a lot of the sites... so I know the cattle study was heavily covered. No clue what else. It would probably be best for you to start with the same GOOGLE search. If you speak Spanish, you can figure out whick links to follow and which ones to avoid.

Please see if you can match the Spanish words for strength, weightlifting, vigor, bodybuilding, or anything like that to carao in any of the links. Also, if you can be on the look out for any sites about carao increasing cattle size and vigor.

Could you also see if there is a Spanish language medical data base like Medline, PubMed, or Medlars? That would give you the most scientific studies.

I'll PM this post to you too to make sure you don't miss it.
 
Hey Sofa I may of missed it, but how much do you take a day/week? I like on his site he calls it anti-anemic and a "ATHLETIC BLOOD BUILDER." It must of really built up your blood:D
 
projection said:
Hey Sofa I may of missed it, but how much do you take a day/week? I like on his site he calls it anti-anemic and a "ATHLETIC BLOOD BUILDER." It must of really built up your blood:D
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He changed the product to an "athletic blood builder" after I wrote to him. I told him I was a weightlifter, my results, etc... and gave him a testimonial he could use on his site. He just wrote me yesterday to tell me he is sending me two free bottles of his new batch. :D :D :D

I had been taking a big spoonful a day... sort of eye-balling a tablespoon, but I may cut back to EOD soon. The cattle study shows that you only need a very small amount and I may be taking too much.

The guy wrote me in an email that people in Costa Rica revere carao for it's "aphrodisiac" effects... and that you need about 1 tablespoon a day for that, but truthfully I haven't any aphrodisiac effects. I suspect that they percieve the increased feeling of well being as an aphrodisiac effect... not really sure... but at least it gave me an idea of the "locals" idea of how much to take.

I'm going to give the carao about 2 more weeks on it's own... then blast it with test/deca/d-bol and see if it enhances a juice cycle.

One guy wrote to me yesterday that carao may be similar to Epogen in effect... so I'm also going to spend today reading about Epogen.
 
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