Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below I've heard so many conflicting opinions about Deca. Its a given running test and deca, test for two additional weeks. Some say it's bit worth it because of the sides which I don't understand given you run test with it. And some say it's the best bulking combo out three.my question is what makes deca so great? the majority of the experiences guys see no difference when running a test only cycle and running test/deca..
Why Deca in the first place
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deca sticks around in your system a long time which delays recovery. until the body knows its out it won't start the recovery process. there isn't any AAS out there that sticks around as long. i would say a good 5 weeks after last pin you will still get results from deca. thats why people say run test longer, i would even suggest running test 3 weeks longer. since deca is detectable in the body 12-16 months after I would even argue that it sticks around in some form longer than 5 weeks in very small amounts.. enough to mess with your HPTA (although I have nothing except experience to back up this theory) half life is 2 weeks but that doesn't mean it doesn't stay that long.. anyone who has taken an oral for example knows most have half lives that are in the hours, but even after stopping taking them you keep getting results days later. so don't be fooled by thinking half life is how long it works.
if you read the link in my sig i tell you what to run with deca during cycle and post cycle to recover.
as far as sides they are in fact LOWER than other AAS, but it depends on what you mean by sides. will it de-hydrate you like some orals and tren? nope. will it give you insomnia ? nope as long as you run an AI with it. there are variables. deca is the gyno king so if you are prone better stay away. a lot of these young guys at the gym with bitch tits and wide shoulders you can tell ran deca with no ancillaries out of ignorance.
IMO deca is so popular cause the old timers loved the fact that it stuck around so long in the body after the last pin but I would NEVER run deca again. after a cycle I don't want to spend 3 months trying to jumpstart my HPTA, no thanks. been there, done that.
if you want to go that route atleast go with NPP which has a shorter ester, just like i always recommend guys run tren ace instead of E. also the name DECA sounds hardcore almost like you are DECKING someone so it attracts the meatheads.
to answer your question on what makes deca so great. i would say the slow and permanent gains that you get. and the crazy appetite it gives you. since food is the most anabolic thing in existance you get the best of both worlds with deca.. its a bulker pure and simple. you will be eating like a pregnant women.
run it 8 weeks max and run test either 2-3 weeks further.
300mg with 500mg test. i would also suggest kickstarting with dbol (you only need 20mg), and finishing off with beastdrol 20mg, 30mg if you can handle it (which will take your strength to another stratosphere towards the end of the cycle)
run cabaser while on.. .25-.50 every 4 days.
run forma while on and into PCT. follow directions on label to combat estrogen and progesterone
run hcg during cycle.. 250iu's 2X per week. then up it to 1000 iu's 2X per week after last injection until the test clears your system. run 2 injections of HMG along with the hcg towards the end
then start SERM therapy 12-25mg ED clomid for example.
run unleashed, post cycle with the clomid to offset any sides.
if you read the link in my sig i tell you what to run with deca during cycle and post cycle to recover.
as far as sides they are in fact LOWER than other AAS, but it depends on what you mean by sides. will it de-hydrate you like some orals and tren? nope. will it give you insomnia ? nope as long as you run an AI with it. there are variables. deca is the gyno king so if you are prone better stay away. a lot of these young guys at the gym with bitch tits and wide shoulders you can tell ran deca with no ancillaries out of ignorance.
IMO deca is so popular cause the old timers loved the fact that it stuck around so long in the body after the last pin but I would NEVER run deca again. after a cycle I don't want to spend 3 months trying to jumpstart my HPTA, no thanks. been there, done that.
if you want to go that route atleast go with NPP which has a shorter ester, just like i always recommend guys run tren ace instead of E. also the name DECA sounds hardcore almost like you are DECKING someone so it attracts the meatheads.
to answer your question on what makes deca so great. i would say the slow and permanent gains that you get. and the crazy appetite it gives you. since food is the most anabolic thing in existance you get the best of both worlds with deca.. its a bulker pure and simple. you will be eating like a pregnant women.
run it 8 weeks max and run test either 2-3 weeks further.
300mg with 500mg test. i would also suggest kickstarting with dbol (you only need 20mg), and finishing off with beastdrol 20mg, 30mg if you can handle it (which will take your strength to another stratosphere towards the end of the cycle)
run cabaser while on.. .25-.50 every 4 days.
run forma while on and into PCT. follow directions on label to combat estrogen and progesterone
run hcg during cycle.. 250iu's 2X per week. then up it to 1000 iu's 2X per week after last injection until the test clears your system. run 2 injections of HMG along with the hcg towards the end
then start SERM therapy 12-25mg ED clomid for example.
run unleashed, post cycle with the clomid to offset any sides.
Great post stevesmi! Well said and great info here!
STEVESMI - great post and very true on many and all points
to OP: I love running deca and nothing gives me more of a "fuller" look and appetite while bulking. It will shut you down as i have to run 2 PCT'S in order to come back which is HCGenerate, Unleashed Post Cycle Combo while running HCG like advised above - except i do 250IU 3 times a week.
Other than trying to recover thats the only bad side of it... to me.
to OP: I love running deca and nothing gives me more of a "fuller" look and appetite while bulking. It will shut you down as i have to run 2 PCT'S in order to come back which is HCGenerate, Unleashed Post Cycle Combo while running HCG like advised above - except i do 250IU 3 times a week.
Other than trying to recover thats the only bad side of it... to me.
Steve, thank you so much for the indept explanation, which deserves a more complete assessment of what I'm trying to do. Stats are as follows:
35 y/o 187 11 perc body fat. been lifting for 4 years and I've been going to the gym 6x a week for the last year . I eat 6 meals a day including shakes. since I want to gain muscle I'm eating 275 grams of protein and 400 grams of carbs a day. I've always had a slim frame and can't seem to put on more muscle as I've kept the same weight seems like
forever. i want to at least put and keep an add 15 pounds of
muscle, since I'm Farley new to this I am going to lay out what I plan to do
1-12 test cyp 250 on Monday and 250 on Thursday
1-8 deca at 300 150 Tuesday and 150 friday
1-12 armidex .5 Ed
8-12 Hcg
13-18 Hcg generate
13-18 nolvadex
13-18 unleashed
don't know if I should do the hcg sub q or intramuscular
250 on Thursday
35 y/o 187 11 perc body fat. been lifting for 4 years and I've been going to the gym 6x a week for the last year . I eat 6 meals a day including shakes. since I want to gain muscle I'm eating 275 grams of protein and 400 grams of carbs a day. I've always had a slim frame and can't seem to put on more muscle as I've kept the same weight seems like
forever. i want to at least put and keep an add 15 pounds of
muscle, since I'm Farley new to this I am going to lay out what I plan to do
1-12 test cyp 250 on Monday and 250 on Thursday
1-8 deca at 300 150 Tuesday and 150 friday
1-12 armidex .5 Ed
8-12 Hcg
13-18 Hcg generate
13-18 nolvadex
13-18 unleashed
don't know if I should do the hcg sub q or intramuscular
250 on Thursday
Steve I have a learning disability and it's hard for me to follow your way as you wrote it .( in my eyes it's super confusing and some of the abbreviations you put I don't know what they mean can you please break it down in a list like the one I did, please... I don't know what NPp is and what HrM is either . Why the dbol and what are the sides as i know it willess your liver up bad.
HMG is an injectable water based product similar to hcg. it will help your LH recover. where you shop for your drugs ask for it and its sold.
NPP is a short ester nandrolone.
dbol is fine for your liver just take some liver support with it.
you may want to steer clear from deca altogether if you cannot understand what I am laying out for you to do! maybe just run test only or pick up a bottle of beastdrol and run it 4 weeks and keep things simple!
NPP is a short ester nandrolone.
dbol is fine for your liver just take some liver support with it.
you may want to steer clear from deca altogether if you cannot understand what I am laying out for you to do! maybe just run test only or pick up a bottle of beastdrol and run it 4 weeks and keep things simple!
Ox-Sandra-Loan
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Is this your first cycle? If so, I would suggest a test only cycle, you'll get great gains from it, and will have fewer things to worry about than if you add deca.
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