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Why Ashcroft is so dangerous, please don't allow him to return.

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Ashcroft's Quiet Prisoner
By BOB HERBERT



Miami — David Joseph is a little guy, about 5-foot-5, maybe 115 pounds. He's 20 years old, looks younger, and has the sluggish demeanor and sad expression of one who is deeply depressed. He has nightmares and headaches. He spends his days dressed in the blue fatigues of detainees at the federal Krome Detention Center, washing dishes at mealtimes, staring listlessly at television images broadcast in a language he doesn't understand, and praying.

"I thought I would come here for a few days and be released," he told me in a soft voice, his words translated by an interpreter. "But I watch the other people come and go, and I am stuck here."

Mr. Joseph is a refugee from Haiti who is seeking asylum in the United States. He is not a terrorist, and no one has even suggested that he is a threat to anyone. And yet he's been in federal custody for nearly two years.

An immigration judge and the Board of Immigration Appeals have ruled that he should be freed on bond, pending a final ruling on his asylum request. But the attorney general of the United States, John Ashcroft, won't let him go.

Playing his ever-present, all-encompassing terrorism card, Mr. Ashcroft personally intervened in Mr. Joseph's case, summarily blocking his release. According to the attorney general, releasing this young Haitian would tend to encourage mass migration from Haiti, and might exacerbate the potential danger to national security of nefarious aliens from Pakistan and elsewhere who might be inclined to use Haiti as a staging area for migration to the U.S.

Mr. Ashcroft has been out in the Washington sun too long. Terrorism is not an issue here. Mr. Joseph is a nervous, nail-biting young man who has an uncle in Brooklyn who's a U.S. citizen and would be only too happy to take in his nephew. Keeping Mr. Joseph imprisoned for years is inhumane.

What's really at work here is the Bush administration's unwillingness to budge even an inch from its unfair and frequently cruel treatment of Haitians seeking refuge in the United States.

Mr. Joseph and a younger brother, Daniel, were among more than 200 Haitians aboard a boat that landed at Key Biscayne, Fla., in October 2002. The boys' immediate family had been viciously attacked in the political turmoil that wracked their homeland, and David Joseph still does not know whether the mother and father he left behind are alive. (Daniel, a teenager, is reportedly in foster care in New York.)

The United States may be a beacon of liberty, but when someone like David Joseph sails toward that beacon he can find himself perversely embraced in the barbed wire of a place like Krome.

"He was fleeing persecution,'' said Selena Mendy Singleton, a vice president of TransAfrica Forum, a research and policy group that is among several organizations supporting Mr. Joseph's request for asylum. "He is not a threat to the community. He is not a terrorist. And he meets the criteria to be released on bond. David needs to be let out."

Mr. Ashcroft was pointedly questioned about the Joseph case by Senator Arlen Specter during an appearance before the Senate Judiciary Committee in June.

"On April 17 of last year," said Mr. Specter, "an issue came before you where there was a young Haitian refugee where there had not been any showing of a problem with respect to terrorism. And you overruled both the immigration judge and the Board of Immigration Appeals. And then the inspector general of the Department of Justice criticized the department for the failure to distinguish between immigration detainees who are connected to terrorism and those who don't have any reason for detention.''

Senator Specter urged Mr. Ashcroft to consider a policy in which the Justice Department would address cases like Mr. Joseph's on a less sweeping, "more individual" basis, which would enable officials to determine whether there was any real basis for concern about terrorism.

Mr. Ashcroft was unmoved. He told Senator Specter: "Sometimes individual treatment is important. Sometimes it's important to make a statement about groups of people that come."

So David Joseph, a threat to no one, sits and waits and prays at Krome.
 
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I know some of you are thinking, so what if a Haitian kid is stuck in jail for a couple of years, this will discourage others from coming over. Guys, this could happen to you. There is still a right and wrong.
 
Ffactor said:
I know some of you are thinking, so what if a Haitian kid is stuck in jail for a couple of years, this will discourage others from coming over. Guys, this could happen to you. There is still a right and wrong.

The fourth reich bor..........
 
He's safe from poilitical persecution.
Safe from his "evil" country.

He gets free room and board.

So life is a little boring, oh well. He's the one who decided to seek asylum.

Ffactor said:
You American bor.
 
code take of your GOP goggles

he is a human he has rights and deserves them

would u like to see your kid locked up for no reason just for seeking freedom
 
Not that I'm supporting this particular action, but you need to have some perspective. The US can't continue to take in everyone that wants to come. If we did allow people from certain areas to have complete access (because we don't deem them to be terrorists), what would stop those who do want to harm us from taking up residence in these areas for a short period (6 mos. - 2 years) to be able to gain easier access to the US in the long run. It does seem like a lot to go through, but terrorists are very determined. Is letting this one kid in going to start all of this? Probably not. However, once this kid is let in legally, for whatever reason, he then creates a legal precedence that can be used in the future. An if him, then why not me situation.

Just something to think about. Granted, I'm not backing the actions of Ashcroft, just putting an idea out there.
 
He could have sought change and freedom in his own country.

The lazy route is to just hop the border to the US.

Olsen Twins Banger said:
code take of your GOP goggles

he is a human he has rights and deserves them

would u like to see your kid locked up for no reason just for seeking freedom
 
anyone can become a terrioist

anyone, it doesnt matter what country you come from

and why not send him back to his country then rather than leaving him locked up
 
I'd be willing to bet your left nut that he would rather stay in the detention center.

Olsen Twins Banger said:
anyone can become a terrioist

anyone, it doesnt matter what country you come from

and why not send him back to his country then rather than leaving him locked up
 
Code, stop being logical.

Freedom, sadly, has to be earned, fought for etc, 1776 all that.

This dude runs out of his country, comes to another one, and now his lackof rights are OUR problem?

Those of you that clamor for immigration control should wake up. Here, we control it, and you get assed off.

As to the guy who said "he is a human, he has rights": true. However, "he is a human, America must guarantee his rights": FALSE.

Give him a choice: jail, pending a hearing, or Haiti, and let him choose. otherwise, we're all just agenda-mongering here.
 
Like I said though, I'd be willing to bet your left nut that he wouldn't want to go back and would choose a US jail.... where he gets free room and board, free food and free TV.




MattTheSkywalker said:
Code, stop being logical.

Freedom, sadly, has to be earned, fought for etc, 1776 all that.

This dude runs out of his country, comes to another one, and now his lackof rights are OUR problem?

Those of you that clamor for immigration control should wake up. Here, we control it, and you get assed off.

As to the guy who said "he is a human, he has rights": true. However, "he is a human, America must guarantee his rights": FALSE.

Give him a choice: jail, pending a hearing, or Haiti, and let him choose. otherwise, we're all just agenda-mongering here.
 
Coverguy said:
Not that I'm supporting this particular action, but you need to have some perspective. The US can't continue to take in everyone that wants to come. If we did allow people from certain areas to have complete access (because we don't deem them to be terrorists), what would stop those who do want to harm us from taking up residence in these areas for a short period (6 mos. - 2 years) to be able to gain easier access to the US in the long run. It does seem like a lot to go through, but terrorists are very determined. Is letting this one kid in going to start all of this? Probably not. However, once this kid is let in legally, for whatever reason, he then creates a legal precedence that can be used in the future. An if him, then why not me situation.

Just something to think about. Granted, I'm not backing the actions of Ashcroft, just putting an idea out there.

We accept al Cuban refugees. Why not Haitians?
 
We only accept Cubans who make it to US soil on their own and we actively capture and deport them enroute.


Fast Twitch Fiber said:
We accept al Cuban refugees. Why not Haitians?
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
Code, stop being logical.

Freedom, sadly, has to be earned, fought for etc, 1776 all that.

This dude runs out of his country, comes to another one, and now his lackof rights are OUR problem?

Those of you that clamor for immigration control should wake up. Here, we control it, and you get assed off.

As to the guy who said "he is a human, he has rights": true. However, "he is a human, America must guarantee his rights": FALSE.

Give him a choice: jail, pending a hearing, or Haiti, and let him choose. otherwise, we're all just agenda-mongering here.

agree with all of that, especially the part i put in bold. we need stronger immigration control.

and code, while i feel you are 100% correct, bet your OWN left nut instead of someone elses.
 
Fast Twitch Fiber said:
We accept al Cuban refugees. Why not Haitians?

One bad policy does not justify creation of another. does it?
 
Ffactor said:
I know some of you are thinking, so what if a Haitian kid is stuck in jail for a couple of years, this will discourage others from coming over. Guys, this could happen to you. There is still a right and wrong.

LOL...how could this happen to anyone of us? I agree completely with Aschcroft, we need a restrictive immigration policy
 
I did that once.
Once.

Let's just say if I had two left nuts, I'd still be betting a left nut.

crak600 said:
and code, while i feel you are 100% correct, bet your OWN left nut instead of someone elses.
 
Gambino said:
LOL...how could this happen to anyone of us? I agree completely with Aschcroft, we need a restrictive immigration policy

but that's one of very few things i agree with Asscroft on. i stress the word few.
 
Naw if you trace the power cord from the existing nut to the main frame, it clearly resides on the right hemisphere.




crak600 said:
well, if there's only one, then technically it could be either left or right.
 
MattTheSkywalker said:
Code, stop being logical.

Freedom, sadly, has to be earned, fought for etc, 1776 all that.

This dude runs out of his country, comes to another one, and now his lackof rights are OUR problem?

Those of you that clamor for immigration control should wake up. Here, we control it, and you get assed off.

As to the guy who said "he is a human, he has rights": true. However, "he is a human, America must guarantee his rights": FALSE.

Give him a choice: jail, pending a hearing, or Haiti, and let him choose. otherwise, we're all just agenda-mongering here.

Absolutely great points. Anyone could be a terrorist, no matter what country they are from. For that reason, the government needs to do everything in their power to ensure the safety of the American people.
 
If is not a threat to national security then why isn't he being repatriated to haiti?

Surely returning him to his homeland would be far better than wasting away in a jail cell.

Ashcroft is pure evil.
 
How do you know he wasn't offered that?

He's living the sweet life compared to where he was.

WODIN said:
If is not a threat to national security then why isn't he being repatriated to haiti?

Surely returning him to his homeland would be far better than wasting away in a jail cell.

Ashcroft is pure evil.
 
Gambino said:
LOL...how could this happen to anyone of us? I agree completely with Aschcroft, we need a restrictive immigration policy

You could be at the worng place at the wrong time and be held in jail without the possibility of hearing on broad terrorism charges, that's how. According to new reports Al-Qaeda is using people from eastern and western europe to infiltrate the U.S. I'm guessing you could probably pass for one of them. LOL.
 
I know, this is happening at an alarming rate!



Ffactor said:
You could be at the worng place at the wrong time and be held in jail without the possibility of hearing on broad terrorism charges, that's how. According to new reports Al-Qaeda is using people from eastern and western europe to infiltrate the U.S. I'm guessing you could probably pass for one of them. LOL.
 
Ashcroft is a nut and a Nazi..

BUT I could give a fucxk about some god damn Haitian illegal. Send his fucking ass back home and do WHATEVER it takes to keep them out.

This country is going fucking broke supporting all these immigrants and their bullshit fucking cultural needs.
 
Milo Hobgoblin said:
Ashcroft is a nut and a Nazi.

Correct.

Milo Hobgoblin said:
BUT I could give a fucxk about some god damn Haitian illegal. Send his fucking ass back home and do WHATEVER it takes to keep them out.

Milo Hobgoblin said:
This country is going fucking broke supporting all these immigrants and their bullshit fucking cultural needs.

Really? Who are these illegal immigrants? The number of illegal immigrants from non-border countries is insignificant. Mexico, is however a different question. But if illegal immigration is such a huge problem then why is the Bush administration proposing legalizing them.
 
I agree that a religious zealot for AG is a bad thing; anyone whose moral behavior is grounded in the supernatural is problematic to me.

Having said that....ridding us of Ashcroft guarantees nothing; Janet Reno was a monster compared to what Asscroft has done (Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Gonzalez kid), and the next AG could be just as bad.

But this is not a monster issue, despite the author's apparent need to create one.
 
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