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why are women so sneaky

Yep.

I remember when I was young and naive...I actually used to think that what the girls were asking me was simply straight forward questions that they wanted to know my answer. Really, they were leading me toward something else, or really wanting to know the answer to something else involving our future,or to use it against me in the future,etc.

Now, I know if a girl asks me a question...There is atleast 4 other things going on, and its just too fucking complicating for me.
 
LOL @Awitty

I think it has to do with biology

Weaker sex = must eb more clever and manipulative to achieve objectives

Guys just tend to knock down whatever is in their way. Women navigate around it often clumsily, cause they cant read maps;)
 
hamstershaver said:
is it just in their genes to be that way?
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Penis envy


failure to develop through freuds psychosexual stages like lil boys b/c they dont resolve this complex
 
hamstershaver said:
women usually just laugh at my penis, i dont think they envy it
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I understand Hammy but Im serious on it, it doesnt matter the size or aesthetic of one's penis. Its a stage of personality development by the most researched and validated psychological pioneer Freud. People get on his case and there are things that are easily attacked but the sheer amount of research on his theories makes him the most proven psychological school of thought. People hate when I clue them in on that b/c they are so used to hearing that freud was a moron so they are used to repeating it.

Penis evny is based on the electra complex.
A lil girl becomes aware that she doesnt have a penis, thinks it is a very valuable thing to have, and feels incomplete b/c of her lack. She envies anyone who has a penis, and becomes especially attracted to her father b/c of his possession of this organ.
Thus, she competes with her mother for her father's affections. At the same time, she becomes anxious and represses her ambivalent feelings. Eventually she identifies with her mother, but she cannot resolve her penis envy until she grows up and gives birth to a son "who brings the longed-for penis with him" (apparently the woman who never has children or is blessed only with daughters is doomed to suffer penis envy all her life).
Freud maintained that that lil girls never completely overcome penis envy (so the females are left generally envious and suffering from low self esteem), and that they do not resolve the phallic stage as well as lil boys do.

Im just a messenger, I didnt write it, just the most validated and researched explanations to human development end of story
 
It's really quite simple...

They're not sneaky, they're jealous.

Why?

`Cuz they can't write their names in the snow without leaving footieprints around every letter.
 
Mr. dB said:
You have GOT to be kidding. "Ethnic" chicks are drama on two legs.
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Definitely, drama on four wheels with a turbocharger!!
just watch the Peoples court for the dramatic displays
 
Women can be extremely irritating... I prefer rationality and sensibility in anything, and navigating the female's unreliable, irrational, unstructured, unmeritable, unhelpful arousal system is almost offensive in its absurdity.
 
women are NOT sneaky, they just choose to call us sneaky because we do soemthing and they automatically think theres an ulterior motive
 
It's really not our fault you guys are slow and don't pay attention.

If you would actually listen to every word we speak and not every fourth word you would hear us loud and clear ;)
 
Frisky said:
It's really not our fault you guys are slow and don't pay attention.

If you would actually listen to every word we speak and not every fourth word you would hear us loud and clear ;)
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We're distracted by oily backs. :qt:
 
BrothaBill said:
I understand Hammy but Im serious on it, it doesnt matter the size or aesthetic of one's penis. Its a stage of personality development by the most researched and validated psychological pioneer Freud. People get on his case and there are things that are easily attacked but the sheer amount of research on his theories makes him the most proven psychological school of thought. People hate when I clue them in on that b/c they are so used to hearing that freud was a moron so they are used to repeating it.

Penis evny is based on the electra complex.
A lil girl becomes aware that she doesnt have a penis, thinks it is a very valuable thing to have, and feels incomplete b/c of her lack. She envies anyone who has a penis, and becomes especially attracted to her father b/c of his possession of this organ.
Thus, she competes with her mother for her father's affections. At the same time, she becomes anxious and represses her ambivalent feelings. Eventually she identifies with her mother, but she cannot resolve her penis envy until she grows up and gives birth to a son "who brings the longed-for penis with him" (apparently the woman who never has children or is blessed only with daughters is doomed to suffer penis envy all her life).
Freud maintained that that lil girls never completely overcome penis envy (so the females are left generally envious and suffering from low self esteem), and that they do not resolve the phallic stage as well as lil boys do.

Im just a messenger, I didnt write it, just the most validated and researched explanations to human development end of story
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what a load of bullshit (hows taht for a constructive argument :D )

really, though, that is absurd. just because something is "proven", or widely accepted, doesnt mean its true.



^ i just left a few lines blank, for emphasis, and for all the wise people in the forum to nod their heads sagely and murmur amongst themselves ;)

at the end of the day, one woman, armed with 2 flimsy breasts and a demonic looking vagina, can twist a whole platoon of penis wielders around her little finger.

i mean, look around. have you ever heard of women going out and trying like mofos to get laid? no. but you hear of men going out, dressing up, buying women lots of stuff, spitting lots of "game" so that they can finally "score" the girl. NEWSFLASH: she just scored too...except that she didnt pay for anything, or try terribly hard.

women are out there absolutely molesting men, day in and day out, and men think that theyre in control. its the perfect scam.

most men = suckers
women having penis envy = bullshit

jsut my 2 cents, of course :)
 
GoldenDelicious said:
women are out there absolutely molesting men, day in and day out, and men think that theyre in control. its the perfect scam.
most men = suckers
women having penis envy = bullshit

jsut my 2 cents, of course :)
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Wise Wise man we have here ;)
 
GoldenDelicious said:
what a load of bullshit (hows taht for a constructive argument :D )

really, though, that is absurd. just because something is "proven", or widely accepted, doesnt mean its true.



^ i just left a few lines blank, for emphasis, and for all the wise people in the forum to nod their heads sagely and murmur amongst themselves ;)

at the end of the day, one woman, armed with 2 flimsy breasts and a demonic looking vagina, can twist a whole platoon of penis wielders around her little finger.

i mean, look around. have you ever heard of women going out and trying like mofos to get laid? no. but you hear of men going out, dressing up, buying women lots of stuff, spitting lots of "game" so that they can finally "score" the girl. NEWSFLASH: she just scored too...except that she didnt pay for anything, or try terribly hard.

women are out there absolutely molesting men, day in and day out, and men think that theyre in control. its the perfect scam.

most men = suckers
women having penis envy = bullshit

jsut my 2 cents, of course :)
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I dont care if you call it BS GD, not my theory, since you must believe in evidencebased medicine then you understand research and validation. Just stating the facts, not that I agree with it mind you.

Just that Freud proved everything and everyone else is wrong, dont argue with me argue with science to validate the theories. The whole profession of marketing is based almost solely on Freudian principles. Billions and Billions of dollars each on something that you call a load of bullshit.
As for women, thats easy, you can have any woman you want if you follow the Tao. I wont reveal publicly the info as it should only be used for good and it can be too strong for many to use.
 
If I had to choose an enemys gender, it would be male everytime.
Women's nonlinear problem solving and synaptic networking, make then competent and often superior physiological opponents.
Example:Elizabeth I of England - inherited a crumbling nation and turned into a naval super power and a trade empire.
Times have changed. Women can only get stronger....
 
absolutely no difference in genders, up and down and across left to right, the variabilities within the sexes equal out, intelligence everything, its a basic wash. The sexes are equal, thats what the research shows, I was only joking with freud
 
BrothaBill said:
absolutely no difference in genders,
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I disagree. Even brain compositions are gender specific.
Thought waves are different. Thought processes and speeds to different stimuli. I'm not saying one is smarter then the other, I agree, they balance out; equal, but different.
 
BrothaBill said:
I dont care if you call it BS GD, not my theory, since you must believe in evidencebased medicine then you understand research and validation. Just stating the facts, not that I agree with it mind you.

Just that Freud proved everything and everyone else is wrong, dont argue with me argue with science to validate the theories. The whole profession of marketing is based almost solely on Freudian principles. Billions and Billions of dollars each on something that you call a load of bullshit.
As for women, thats easy, you can have any woman you want if you follow the Tao. I wont reveal publicly the info as it should only be used for good and it can be too strong for many to use.
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the thing about evidence based medicine (or evidence based anything) is that your result will change depending on when you take your sample. so, for now it seems consistent, or at least, the closest to the truth that we have come. that still doesnt make it the truth.

i just dont buy it, instinctively. it just seems wrong.

oh, and i ws going out with a girl who turned out to be like my mother and i dumped her, so there ;)
 
Ulcasterdropout said:
I disagree. Even brain compositions are gender specific.
Thought waves are different. Thought processes and speeds to different stimuli. I'm not saying one is smarter then the other, I agree, they balance out; equal, but different.
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No youre right ult, but were talking different terms though, physiologically they are different in brain structure and also in nurture from birth, different in innumerable ways. But to say one sex is all this way and the other Im saying which on more sociologically and psychologically points that is incorrect.

I mean everyone's heard that women are more verbal and men more math, which is true, but those skills can be taught. Just that both sexes has there fair share of idiots, cretens, liars, sluts, etc... cant draw strong disctinctions of internal personality constructs and character traits that are negatively attributed to one group or the other based on gender. Thats a general concept that is true although there are always differences in any two like/unlike sets, best not to highlight them as they are usually insignificant.
 
BrothaBill said:
No youre right ult, but were talking different terms though, physiologically they are different in brain structure and also in nurture from birth, different in innumerable ways. But to say one sex is all this way and the other Im saying which on more sociologically and psychologically points that is incorrect.

I mean everyone's heard that women are more verbal and men more math, which is true, but those skills can be taught. Just that both sexes has there fair share of idiots, cretens, liars, sluts, etc... cant draw strong disctinctions of internal personality constructs and character traits that are negatively attributed to one group or the other based on gender. Thats a general concept that is true although there are always differences in any two like/unlike sets, best not to highlight them as they are usually insignificant.
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pffft...........men are better people than women in 7 out of 10 ways.
 
BrothaBill said:
No youre right ult, but were talking different terms though, physiologically they are different in brain structure and also in nurture from birth, different in innumerable ways. But to say one sex is all this way and the other Im saying which on more sociologically and psychologically points that is incorrect.

I mean everyone's heard that women are more verbal and men more math, which is true, but those skills can be taught. Just that both sexes has there fair share of idiots, cretens, liars, sluts, etc... cant draw strong disctinctions of internal personality constructs and character traits that are negatively attributed to one group or the other based on gender. Thats a general concept that is true although there are always differences in any two like/unlike sets, best not to highlight them as they are usually insignificant.
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You guys need to forget about all this psychological/biological debating.

All you need to know is that......ALL THESE BITCHES ARE CRAZY!!!!!

Now Lock Thread!
 
courtneybcca said:
OKAY better question... Why are all men liars? Explain that one to me..
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all men arent liars, that is just your perception, your view of reality. The better question is why do you make internal negative internal attributions to men or people in general and why do you seek out men that do lie that reinforce your belief structure. If you surround yourself with liars then that is your reality. Does not make it so in the truth of the world that men are liars, not everyone is a liar, in fact, most arent or try very hard not to be. We are of course all sinners and people in glass houses should not throw stones
 
Well you are probably exactly right... I think the classic "bad boy" sees me and somehow thinks I can be manipulated, and my look scares away the "good boys" So what is a girl to do..... So yes my experiences have drawn me to the conclusion that men are liars...
 
courtneybcca said:
Well you are probably exactly right... I think the classic "bad boy" sees me and somehow thinks I can be manipulated, and my look scares away the "good boys" So what is a girl to do..... So yes my experiences have drawn me to the conclusion that men are liars...
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Use the Force, guide you it will, make you strong it will, recognize jedi mind tricks you will...
 
JerseyArt said:
LOL @Awitty

I think it has to do with biology

Weaker sex = must eb more clever and manipulative to achieve objectives

Guys just tend to knock down whatever is in their way. Women navigate around it often clumsily, cause they cant read maps;)
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:rolleyes:
 
I know of a couple of women who "thought" that they where sneaky, until I caught them in the act of trying to spy on me. Fucktards

Whiskey
 
awittyusername said:
This is true. I would rather have 3 400lb guys want to kick my ass, than have 1 100lb girl after me who thinks I did her wrong
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agree....
 
Are you guys kidding me, whats a 100lb women going to do?? Seriously, Im not into hitting women but no way physically and I am very willing to play a social war of attrition with any woman and they would ultimately lose as I am a master at that game. In short, one single individual is easily overcame, the 3 guys can resource, pool, strategize and also gang attack. Seriously, there is no comparison, a woman can bitch and moan all she wants but that would just make her look nuts while I would rise above it.
No way, rather go against a woman, wouldnt intimidate me in the least. Id destroy her at will if I wanted, only in retaliation of course, but you know its a hypothetical anyways
 
Frisky said:
It's really not our fault you guys are slow and don't pay attention.

If you would actually listen to every word we speak and not every fourth word you would hear us loud and clear ;)
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Please..........come up with something new.

If women were all direct and forthcoming, communication wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Very few women are actually as direct as they should be, they wait and become resentful when they should have been speaking up all along.

I don't think it's women being "sneaky" as much as they expect guys to read their minds and it just ain't gonna happen. I can read what a woman wants as much as the next guy, but at some point a woman actually needs to open her mouth and articulate. It's called meeting us halfway.....





DIV

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DIVISION said:
Please..........come up with something new.

If women were all direct and forthcoming, communication wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Very few women are actually as direct as they should be, they wait and become resentful when they should have been speaking up all along.

I don't think it's women being "sneaky" as much as they expect guys to read their minds and it just ain't gonna happen. I can read what a woman wants as much as the next guy, but at some point a woman actually needs to open her mouth and articulate. It's called meeting us halfway.....





DIV

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"But if he wants me, he'll have to learn to understand me and know me"...this is where you threaten to close the wallet if they dont start sayin it like it is.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
what a load of bullshit (hows taht for a constructive argument :D )

really, though, that is absurd. just because something is "proven", or widely accepted, doesnt mean its true.



^ i just left a few lines blank, for emphasis, and for all the wise people in the forum to nod their heads sagely and murmur amongst themselves ;)

at the end of the day, one woman, armed with 2 flimsy breasts and a demonic looking vagina, can twist a whole platoon of penis wielders around her little finger.

i mean, look around. have you ever heard of women going out and trying like mofos to get laid? no. but you hear of men going out, dressing up, buying women lots of stuff, spitting lots of "game" so that they can finally "score" the girl. NEWSFLASH: she just scored too...except that she didnt pay for anything, or try terribly hard.

women are out there absolutely molesting men, day in and day out, and men think that theyre in control. its the perfect scam.

most men = suckers
women having penis envy = bullshit
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:)
 
ceasar989 said:
"But if he wants me, he'll have to learn to understand me and know me"...this is where you threaten to close the wallet if they dont start sayin it like it is.
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You feel me then, Lil' Caesar......

I think guys today are chumps, they demasculinize themselves for a woman, when that is only a self-defeating behaviour. If a woman is worth anything she will meet you halfway, and keep it real without the bullshit.....anything short of that I cut them off quick, no remorse.

That's just the way it's gotta be.




DIV

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ceasar989 said:
"But if he wants me, he'll have to learn to understand me and know me"...this is where you threaten to close the wallet if they dont start sayin it like it is.
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even better, keep your wallet from becoming a significant aspect of the relationship.

going into a relationship with the idea that money is an integral aspect of one side of the partnership is foolhardy in the extreme. not only is it demeaning to your potential partner right off the bat, but opening your wallet attracts whores and golddiggers...but that is to be expected, because thats how you treat your women.

like divnugganaraalalalaranug has said a few times (and i agree with him), people treat you the way that you project that you should be treated.

anyway women arent any sneakier than men - its just that many women are increasingly trying to take on the role of a man (its just the way our society is going), yet are hamstrung by societal preconceptions about how they should behave, which would see them painted as golddiggers/whores/bitches/users were they to be more direct, because some segments of female society (and society in general) are either behind/ahead of the times, and so women have to put on several fronts so as to satisfy different people with different mindsets, which means that they are used to weighing what they say, and to whom, from an early age...as opposed to most men, who blurt out all sorts of stupid crap because there are few repercussions for them.

oh, and...most men these days are just deaf blind and dumb to anything but sex, and their transparency lets them be played like guitars by the women around the place. if all the men in the world stopped acting like sex crazed idiots willing to do anything, half of female society would collectively shit its pants because they just lost their greatest edge
 
Frisky said:
It's blah blah our fault blah blah blah blah blah don't pay attention.

If blah blah blah listen to every blah blah blah and blah blah fourth blah blah blah blah blah loud and clear ;)
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What the hell did she just say?
 
GoldenDelicious said:
women arent any sneakier than men - its just that many women are increasingly trying to take on the role of a man
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I don't see it. I don't care what a woman does, she'll never be able to take the role of a man, just doesn't work within the structure of the relationship dynamic. I would personally like for a woman to take control of some of the important aspects of a relationship, but in my experience they're not equipped to do it. When all is said and done a woman trying to be a man is pointless, self defeating and without merit. Men determine all aspects of a relationship, from the women they pursue to the way the relationship ebbs and flows and how the important decisions are made. All this femmenist careerwoman bullshit really fucked up women's heads, had them thinking they could be men, only later do they realize that it's all a facade when they are in their mid-thirties and alone because they bought in to an impossible dream. Regardless of what our modern culture tries to push on people, one thing will never change: Men are Men and Women are Women and the roles they play in a relationship don't change, and haven't changed through time.

GoldenDelicious said:
if all the men in the world stopped acting like sex crazed idiots willing to do anything, half of female society would collectively shit its pants because they just lost their greatest edge
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True.

Men are their own worst enemies. I am in the minority, I'm not ruled by sex......I make decisions based on logic and I can see through a woman's bullshit off the jump. Once I've called a woman on her bullshit, I give her two chances to come clean, and if she tries to play games I cut her off the chain. Why waste your time on a woman who can't keep it real when there are so many more out there who will?





DIV

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DIVISION said:
All this femmenist careerwoman bullshit really fucked up women's heads, had them thinking they could be men, only later do they realize that it's all a facade when they are in their mid-thirties and alone because they bought in to an impossible dream.
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Nah, if the women in her mid thirty's is hot, men will still jump through hoops and put up with the bullshit to tag the pussy. Maybe not you, but the next say.....16,000. You know this. Supply and demand. Number game, they have the advantage....till the beauty fades.
 
Nugga said:
Men are their own worst enemies. I am in the minority, I'm not ruled by sex......I make decisions based on logic and I can see through a woman's bullshit off the jump. Once I've called a woman on her bullshit, I give her two chances to come clean, and if she tries to play games I cut her off the chain. Why waste your time on a woman who can't keep it real when there are so many more out there who will?





DIV

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Damn, I couldnt agree more and I am exactly the same way. I dont put up with bullshit well....
 
GoldenDelicious said:
i mean, look around. have you ever heard of women going out and trying like mofos to get laid? no. but you hear of men going out, dressing up, buying women lots of stuff, spitting lots of "game" so that they can finally "score" the girl. NEWSFLASH: she just scored too...except that she didnt pay for anything, or try terribly hard.
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I disagree. Women work their asses off to look good for men. How many hours a week do you spend bodyshaving, moisturizing, treating your hair, and doing cardio so your ass can fit in some tight jeans?
 
Ulcasterdropout said:
Nah, if the women in her mid thirty's is hot, men will still jump through hoops and put up with the bullshit to tag the pussy. Maybe not you, but the next say.....16,000. You know this. Supply and demand. Number game, they have the advantage....till the beauty fades.
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In terms of mass numbers.......YOU ARE WRONG. There are more single women than single men, and it's always been this way.

As far as supply and demand, you've got a point, but you also have to realize that males and females have preconceptions of an ideal mate. I don't look at advantages or disadvantages between the sexes......I just know what I want and what I expect in a woman and go for that. I could give a fuck about the other 15,999 guys out there searching for whatever it is that they want. How do I know that my approach works? Because I get what I want and I don't compromise on looks or attitude. If you have the presence and confidence you will get any woman you want.





DIV

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DIVISION said:
I don't see it. I don't care what a woman does, she'll never be able to take the role of a man, just doesn't work within the structure of the relationship dynamic. I would personally like for a woman to take control of some of the important aspects of a relationship, but in my experience they're not equipped to do it. When all is said and done a woman trying to be a man is pointless, self defeating and without merit. Men determine all aspects of a relationship, from the women they pursue to the way the relationship ebbs and flows and how the important decisions are made. All this femmenist careerwoman bullshit really fucked up women's heads, had them thinking they could be men, only later do they realize that it's all a facade when they are in their mid-thirties and alone because they bought in to an impossible dream. Regardless of what our modern culture tries to push on people, one thing will never change: Men are Men and Women are Women and the roles they play in a relationship don't change, and haven't changed through time.
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i dont agree. i agree that women taking on a traditional masculine role wouldnt work in a traditional relationship dynamic, but relationships between men and women evolve right alongside the society that circumscribes them.

traditional roles are well defined and understood; women stay home, cook, clean, and bear/raise children. men, being the more capable organism outside the home (stronger, faster, less prone to be targetted by other organisms/people) are the breadwinners that sustain the family unit. these days, though, women are less dependent on men for protection, since they can rely (more or less) on legislation and civilised behaviour to protect them. furthermore, women can quite easily train in martial arts or weapon use and therefore protect themselves. furthermore, women are increasingly earning as much as men, erodin the idea that men are to be breadwinners in a relationship, and also, women are bearing far less children, making it logistically possible for them to be more independent. overshadowing all of this, too, is the state, helping disadvantaged women (amongst other people) to function individually.

so really, apart from women bearing children, and usually having the responsibility of raising the child fall to them, the differences between men and women are becoming far less significant.

women find their own partners, the way men used to. they have casual sex, the way only men once could.

why then is it so difficult to believe that women are taking on male roles? hell, apart from wearing a bra, stupid uncomfortable (but sexy :p) shoes, going to different stores, using different toiletries, and winning the Nag Olympics by default, i dont see terribly much difference between men and women these days.

there are some women who are manlier men than some of the guys around here...not naming names, of course :D ...id hate to get my arse beat by a chick...thats just embarrassing....especially frisky, she would probably demand sex afterwards too ;)..."me frisky. you jane. me want to oomph oomph!"...omg! omg!
 
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n0th1ng said:
I disagree. Women work their asses off to look good for men. How many hours a week do you spend bodyshaving, moisturizing, treating your hair, and doing cardio so your ass can fit in some tight jeans?
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lol ok :D haircut every week, hair removal usually weekly on the same day as the haircut, i dont moisturise because my skin is like a kuwaiti oilfield, it moisturises itself :D, and i train between 4 and 6 days a week, dieting 6 out of 7 days so that i can stay lean as well as fairly muscular, and i dont wear tight jeans because it makes my bum look big ;)

so there ;)
 
GoldenDelicious said:
i dont agree. i agree that women taking on a traditional masculine role wouldnt work in a traditional relationship dynamic, but relationships between men and women evolve right alongside the society that circumscribes them.

why then is it so difficult to believe that women are taking on male roles? hell, apart from wearing a bra, stupid uncomfortable (but sexy :p) shoes, going to different stores, using different toiletries, and winning the Nag Olympics by default, i dont see terribly much difference between men and women these days.
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You misunderstood what I said and you still haven't made your case for women becoming men. Being financially independent does not equate a woman becoming a man. I don't define a man's role as being breadwinner only. The role a man plays in the relationship dynamic goes beyond the variables of economic viability, who earns the money and to what degree? That's merely one aspect, not the all encompassing focus.

So women can have casual sex without repercussions? That means they have taken on a "man's role"? Nugga, pleaseeeeeeeeeee.... :rolleyes:

I would agree with you that women don't "need" men like they have in the past, but to say that they have taken on men's roles in society.......that's a reach.

If that were the case, women would stay single and rely on their dildos.......but save the minority, most careerminded women still date men and still engage in relationships. So really, your case for women becoming men has no merit.

You're reaching.......




DIV

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DIVISION said:
You misunderstood what I said and you still haven't made your case for women becoming men. Being financially independent does not equate a woman becoming a man. I don't define a man's role as being breadwinner only. The role a man plays in the relationship dynamic goes beyond the variables of economic viability, who earns the money and to what degree? That's merely one aspect, not the all encompassing focus.

So women can have casual sex without repercussions? That means they have taken on a "man's role"? Nugga, pleaseeeeeeeeeee.... :rolleyes:

I would agree with you that women don't "need" men like they have in the past, but to say that they have taken on men's roles in society.......that's a reach.

If that were the case, women would stay single and rely on their dildos.......but save the minority, most careerminded women still date men and still engage in relationships. So really, your case for women becoming men has no merit.

You're reaching.......

DIV

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i understood what you were saying; you were talking about male/female roles within the relationship, providing direction for the family unit etc etc. i disagree fundamentally with your position, and would have thought that by alluding to modern womens ability to thrive independently without any male influence at all, it would go without saying that a woman is capable of fulfilling a mans role in a relationship; furthermore, i made the distinction between traditional and modern relationships, because i will only ever agree with your position if we were talking about traditionally structured relationships, where men are breadwinners and women are homekeepers. imo, the evolution of the traditional relationship model was driven by neccessity, not choice; it is simply the most efficient way to run a family unit, where each partner does waht they are most suited to doing - men to hunting/gathering/providing, and women childbearing/nurturing/teaching.

i dont think that anyone could contest my previous assertation that neccessity/survival were the driving factors behind the shaping of the traditional relationship model; nor can anyone truly deny that that same neccessity, that need to be so efficient, has been diminished by the civilization of our society, which now provides legislative/welfare measures to make the need for specialisation between the sexes largely redundant.

these days we're all just a social security number, bor.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
these days we're all just a social security number, bor.
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Women tend to want longterm relationships in greater numbers than men.

That alone is argument enough to support my statment that women will never be men.

Traditional, Untraditional.........doesn't matter.

I'm a realist and I go by what I see around me.......and believe me, I would tend to give credence to what you said if I didn't have women flirting with me.....wanting "something" from me on a constant basis. I don't pursue them, they pursue me......and this alone proves you wrong.



DIV

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DIVISION said:
I'm a realist and I go by what I see around me.......and believe me, I would tend to give credence to what you said if I didn't have women flirting with me.....wanting "something" from me on a constant basis. I don't pursue them, they pursue me......and this alone proves you wrong.
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alright

what do they want, and why does it prove your point
 
GoldenDelicious said:
alright

what do they want, and why does it prove your point
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Usually attention......in some fashion or casual sex, I'd imagine. I don't sit there with a clipboard and ask them to fill out a questionnaire to find out their exact reason. If I'm not interested in them, I don't talk to them...

It proves my point in that if women were men they wouldn't seek out relationships like they do.......I don't chase women, it's pointless. But they sure go out of their way to pursue me for some reason....





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DIVISION said:
Usually attention......in some fashion or casual sex, I'd imagine. I don't sit there with a clipboard and ask them to fill out a questionnaire to find out their exact reason. If I'm not interested in them, I don't talk to them...

It proves my point in that if women were men they wouldn't seek out relationships like they do.......I don't chase women, it's pointless. But they sure go out of their way to pursue me for some reason....
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oh come on div, i expected far better! you cant expect to reply to my post with the indifferent, incurious, petulant bullshit above!

what has attention to do with masculine and feminine roles? do you attribute insecurity and need for attention to the female species alone? and what need for a questionairre, youre studying to be a shrink (djufo is a practicing shrink, by the way...his last success was on his penis, and he has been unable to reverse his success...oh well ;) ), you should be profiling people left and right!

and what the hell is this??!:
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It proves my point in that if women were men they wouldn't seek out relationships like they do
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are you being serious? because a woman is chasing a man, she isnt fulfilling a masculine role? surely you can see that women being proactive and instigatory in their courtship is far closer to the traditional masculine role than to the feminine! i dont see how this helps you at all, even if it werent a single issue in a complex question, leaving other, more pertinent aspects unadressed

who are you and where is the real div!!
 
DIVISION said:
Please..........come up with something new.

If women were all direct and forthcoming, communication wouldn't be a problem in the first place. Very few women are actually as direct as they should be, they wait and become resentful when they should have been speaking up all along.

I don't think it's women being "sneaky" as much as they expect guys to read their minds and it just ain't gonna happen. I can read what a woman wants as much as the next guy, but at some point a woman actually needs to open her mouth and articulate. It's called meeting us halfway.....





DIV

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It was meant to be the same ol same ol statement! :rolleyes:

I've never had a problem with speaking my mind! You can't lump all women in the same mound. If something is bothering me and I say it.. If I want something I say it.. and on and on. I'm not a bitcher and I'm not a whiner, for the most part I do what I have to do with or without the male gender.
 
ceasar989 said:
"But if he wants me, he'll have to learn to understand me and know me"...this is where you threaten to close the wallet if they dont start sayin it like it is.
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LOL @ threaten to close the wallet :rolleyes:

I make my own dough sugarpie... that wouldn't be a threat!
 
AristotleBC said:
Women can be extremely irritating... I prefer rationality and sensibility in anything, and navigating the female's unreliable, irrational, unstructured, unmeritable, unhelpful arousal system is almost offensive in its absurdity.
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this is the quote of the century right here.
 
DIVISION said:
In terms of mass numbers.......YOU ARE WRONG. There are more single women than single men, and it's always been this way.
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Lets assume the gay population is nominal. So if there is more single women then men, who are these non-single men seeing? The math is phuct.

The second part. Hey, if you got a working sytem, then cool.
 
In my view, people who are slaves (or are controlled significantly by) their emotional impulses are weak individuals... unfortunately, women typically fit this description, which can make them harder to respect...

I know even as a male it is easier to be a weak thinker and to not think about things, and just respond according to how my emotions are stimulate by various events... but that is an inferior way of behaving...

Most everyone here understands the negative results of acting on emotion... Well, women do this almost as a rule rather than only occasionally in error ... I believe that this behavior can be un-learned and objectivity is possible for women too, but unfortunately women have worked so hard to make criticizing anything female as politically incorrect as criticizing a minority so there is no discussion among women (that I see at least) as to what female behaviors should be avoided and what should be embraced.

Females may be able to deal with strong emotions better since they are more used to dealing with them on a constant basis, but they have to be introduced to the concepts of objectivity and non-emotional decision making just like men do.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
women are less dependent on men for protection, since they can rely (more or less) on legislation and civilised behaviour to protect them. furthermore, women can quite easily train in martial arts or weapon use and therefore protect themselves. furthermore, women are increasingly earning as much as men, erodin the idea that men are to be breadwinners in a relationship, and also, women are bearing far less children, making it logistically possible for them to be more independent. overshadowing all of this, too, is the state, helping disadvantaged women (amongst other people) to function individually.

differences between men and women are becoming far less significant.

women find their own partners, the way men used to. they have casual sex, the way only men once could.

i dont see terribly much difference between men and women these days.
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I agree. Roles and identities are vanishing.
 
GoldenDelicious said:
because a woman is chasing a man, she isnt fulfilling a masculine role? surely you can see that women being proactive and instigatory in their courtship is far closer to the traditional masculine role than to the feminine! i dont see how this helps you at all, even if it werent a single issue in a complex question, leaving other, more pertinent aspects unadressed

who are you and where is the real div!!
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The "real" DIV is here, but losing interest.

It's a deeper issue with more variables than we've touched on here, I'm just saying that I don't agree with your point. Perhaps it's our sample populations that are contrasted, but I don't see any validity in what you are proposing. Females are more "female" than they've ever been....always wanting relationships, wanting more than most guys are willing to give. To me that speaks of the female's primary need to seek out relationships with males. Your point about women having casual sex, therefore they are acting out a male role is invalid also. In order for a female to have casual sex, a male is having casual sex also......so really there's no basis for your argument.

Whether I profile people "left and right" or not doesn't automatically make me a mindreader. I can take alot from a person's mannerisms and their bodylanguage and I can break down the words that come out of their mouths, take any meaning that might be there, but that still doesn't mean I know all their alterior motives. When a girl shows interests it could be any number of things, but mostly in my case I think it's them wanting attention or casual sex. Short of going up to them and asking them what they want, there's no way I'm going to get a definitive answer.




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i don't think there should be gender "roles" do what the fuck you want really.

Men can never have a baby or nurse one.. women can never scratch their nuts (except sokluless) that's enough differentiation for me
 
Lestat said:
i don't think there should be gender "roles" do what the fuck you want really.

Men can never have a baby or nurse one.. women can never scratch their nuts (except sokluless) that's enough differentiation for me
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Lestat said:
i don't think there should be gender "roles" do what the fuck you want really.

Men can never have a baby or nurse one.. women can never scratch their nuts (except sokluless) that's enough differentiation for me
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^^^this was the basis for my whole argument. Women can NEVER be men....regardless of what the media pushes on society, or whatever outside influences would like to think. As long as men possess the nuts, I don't see gender roles really changing.

I was saying in my Psychology of Sexuality class that "women were as bad as men" in today's society and the females clammed up and didn't say a word! Classic denial.....the guys, however were absolutely in tears.....some clapped. :lmao:





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Lestat said:
Men can never have a baby or nurse one.. women can never scratch their nuts (except sokluless) that's enough differentiation for me
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Some men can nurse...
 
GoldenDelicious said:
because they would get pregnant, and also, because of social acceptability
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NO, GoldenMonkey! :rolleyes:

What he's saying is: If women are having casual sex, obviously there's a guy having casual sex also.......it takes two. Women having casual sex in itself doesn't equate with them "taking on a male's gender role".




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DIVISION said:
The "real" DIV is here, but losing interest.

It's a deeper issue with more variables than we've touched on here, I'm just saying that I don't agree with your point. Perhaps it's our sample populations that are contrasted, but I don't see any validity in what you are proposing. Females are more "female" than they've ever been....always wanting relationships, wanting more than most guys are willing to give. To me that speaks of the female's primary need to seek out relationships with males. Your point about women having casual sex, therefore they are acting out a male role is invalid also. In order for a female to have casual sex, a male is having casual sex also......so really there's no basis for your argument.
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justify why my point about casual sex is invalid. your casual dismissal isnt really good enough. furthermore women have always wanted to snare a partner - i dont see how they are 'more female' for doing so with increased expectations and proactivity.

really div, your 'i studied it and so i dont have to explain myself' attitude is hardly a good argument in itself

DIVISION said:
Whether I profile people "left and right" or not doesn't automatically make me a mindreader. I can take alot from a person's mannerisms and their bodylanguage and I can break down the words that come out of their mouths, take any meaning that might be there, but that still doesn't mean I know all their alterior motives. When a girl shows interests it could be any number of things, but mostly in my case I think it's them wanting attention or casual sex. Short of going up to them and asking them what they want, there's no way I'm going to get a definitive answer.
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im sure taht someone as opinionated as yourself about this topic could describe some general trends, div
 
GoldenDelicious said:
im sure taht someone as opinionated as yourself about this topic could describe some general trends, div
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I'm opinionated about alot of shit, bro........you know that.

If you were my pharmacist, I'd probably have strangled you by now.

Bottom Line: Women are Women. that is all you need to know.

They are, they will continue to be, they are consistently inconsistent.

That's women.





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DIVISION said:
I'm opinionated about alot of shit, bro........you know that.

If you were my pharmacist, I'd probably have strangled you by now.

Bottom Line: Women are Women. that is all you need to know.

They are, they will continue to be, they are consistently inconsistent.

That's women.





DIV

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:rolleyes:
 
Frisky said:
:rolleyes:
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You are the exception, Friskah......

You actually do speak up, which is admirable......

My blanket statment doesn't apply to you.......you know this.

You're being a moody creature......




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DIVISION said:
I'm opinionated about alot of shit, bro........you know that.

If you were my pharmacist, I'd probably have strangled you by now.

Bottom Line: Women are Women. that is all you need to know.

They are, they will continue to be, they are consistently inconsistent.

That's women.
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if i was your pharmacist, id have installed a trap door in front of the counter, over a pit filled with alligators...with laser beams on their heads ;)

and women arent inconsistent, theyre not too difficult to understand, really, as soon as you forget all that 'sugar and spice, and everything nice' crap. theyre just people
 
GoldenDelicious said:
if i was your pharmacist, id have installed a trap door in front of the counter, over a pit filled with alligators...with laser beams on their heads ;)
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If you were my pharmacist, I'd have blurted out all the contraindications of all my meds before you could speak and then ASK YOU if you had any questions. Failing that I'd probably throw a biscuit at you....



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DIVISION said:
You are the exception, Friskah......

You actually do speak up, which is admirable......

My blanket statment doesn't apply to you.......you know this.

You're being a moody creature......




DIV

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:qt:

Yea...... I'm a bit edgy tonight! Supposed to have my damn home gym assembled by now but...... as I've already predetermined.. and heck should have known better....... IF YA WANT SOMETHING DONE..... YA HAVE TO DO IT YOURSELF !
 
Frisky said:
:qt:

Yea...... I'm a bit edgy tonight! Supposed to have my damn home gym assembled by now but...... as I've already predetermined.. and heck should have known better....... IF YA WANT SOMETHING DONE..... YA HAVE TO DO IT YOURSELF !
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Yes, Friskah......

Do it yourself.......ALWAYS.......and DO NOT INVITE THAT EX!!!!!! :redhot:




DIV

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DIVISION said:
If you were my pharmacist, I'd have blurted out all the contraindications of all my meds before you could speak and then ASK YOU if you had any questions. Failing that I'd probably throw a biscuit at you....
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if you did that, id probably get on the phone and get your doctor to prescribe more meds. especially ell eye tee hache eye you em. thatll fix yuh ;)
 
DIVISION said:
Yes, Friskah......

Do it yourself.......ALWAYS.......and DO NOT INVITE THAT EX!!!!!! :redhot:




DIV

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LOL

His invitation expired over a year ago ;)

I'll suffer through the nuts and bolts myself before I endure the agony of his company!
 
GoldenDelicious said:
if you did that, id probably get on the phone and get your doctor to prescribe more meds. especially ell eye tee hache eye you em. thatll fix yuh ;)
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Unfortunately for you, my doc would listen to me, not you.

He'd tell you to prescribe what he wants in that fashion, or no dice. :lmao:

All the while I'd be pointing and laughing at you like a 5 year old! :insane:




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DIVISION said:
Unfortunately for you, my doc would listen to me, not you.

He'd tell you to prescribe what he wants in that fashion, or no dice. :lmao:

All the while I'd be pointing and laughing at you like a 5 year old! :insane:
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no. unfortunately for you. :)
 
Frisky said:
LOL

His invitation expired over a year ago ;)

I'll suffer through the nuts and bolts myself before I endure the agony of his company!
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Good Girl! ;)

I like it.....

Frisky, you've always been a comforting pet......I don't understand why the forum doesn't line up to kiss your paw.




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