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The Nature Boy said:
Ummm. I'd rather not.
Ummm. I'd rather not.
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Frackal
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Re: Re: Why are Americans so stupid.....? Seriously.
Listen abraham, I have a buff bod already, and vin is my avatar because I enjoyed his movie pitch black, and we are vaugely similiar, though not in the face, but more in his attitude in pitch black...hard to explain.
Second, I never said I was anything, I was making an observation about most people I meet.
Try giving up television completely for 2-4 months and note how much clearer your brain feels....
Bullit said:
Listen abraham, I have a buff bod already, and vin is my avatar because I enjoyed his movie pitch black, and we are vaugely similiar, though not in the face, but more in his attitude in pitch black...hard to explain.
Second, I never said I was anything, I was making an observation about most people I meet.
Try giving up television completely for 2-4 months and note how much clearer your brain feels....
Re: Re: Re: Why are Americans so stupid.....? Seriously.
You implied it, and you know it.
I agree religion is no longer the opiate of the masses, TV is. However, I fail to see how you are not as much a part of the "MTV pop culture" as much as some fat kid.
I could be wrong, cuz I dont memorize all your posts... but dont you wear 'cool' clothes, want a 'coo'l Vin Diesel/fast n' furious car, want some hot blonde with fake titties, want a million bux? The only dif between you and the fatty is your diet.
Frackal said:
You implied it, and you know it.
I agree religion is no longer the opiate of the masses, TV is. However, I fail to see how you are not as much a part of the "MTV pop culture" as much as some fat kid.
I could be wrong, cuz I dont memorize all your posts... but dont you wear 'cool' clothes, want a 'coo'l Vin Diesel/fast n' furious car, want some hot blonde with fake titties, want a million bux? The only dif between you and the fatty is your diet.
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Code
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Why are Americans so stupid.....? Seriously.
You're basing your opinion of someone on an implication?
When did wanting a lot of money make you a part of pop culture?
When did wanting the good things in life make you an MTV addict? I guess that means every CEO who grosses a "million bux" or more is an MTV automaton??
BTW, your usage of the colloquialism "bux" just put you into the MTV pop culture.
Bullit said:
You're basing your opinion of someone on an implication?
When did wanting a lot of money make you a part of pop culture?
When did wanting the good things in life make you an MTV addict? I guess that means every CEO who grosses a "million bux" or more is an MTV automaton??
BTW, your usage of the colloquialism "bux" just put you into the MTV pop culture.
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You serioulsy trying to tell me that its not totally obvious from his post that he considers himself NOT to be one of those that he is ranting about?
My point about the money/car/tits thing is that really, we are all about 95% similar, but people make a huge deal about the miniscule 5% that they are 'different'. And yes, I consider myself part of pop culture, and part of the rampant consumerism we have today. Not as much as others, but I'm still in there. I prefer Slayer to N'sync, and Mountain Biking to Football, but thats just part of my 5% difference.
Code said:
You serioulsy trying to tell me that its not totally obvious from his post that he considers himself NOT to be one of those that he is ranting about?
My point about the money/car/tits thing is that really, we are all about 95% similar, but people make a huge deal about the miniscule 5% that they are 'different'. And yes, I consider myself part of pop culture, and part of the rampant consumerism we have today. Not as much as others, but I'm still in there. I prefer Slayer to N'sync, and Mountain Biking to Football, but thats just part of my 5% difference.
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Code
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I think he's a 20 year old kid trying to define himself. I think he's a stand-up dude who is still developing his position in society.
I'd bet you dimes to dollars that you were the same way at 20 (or will be that way when you hit 20).
I think he's right, MTV has an uncanny, negative affect on today's youth, the fact that he thinks it's a problem puts him in the 5% by default.
Bullit said:
I think he's a 20 year old kid trying to define himself. I think he's a stand-up dude who is still developing his position in society.
I'd bet you dimes to dollars that you were the same way at 20 (or will be that way when you hit 20).
I think he's right, MTV has an uncanny, negative affect on today's youth, the fact that he thinks it's a problem puts him in the 5% by default.
HappyScrappy
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I tend not to watch TV - movies yes, but not so much TV. I'd rather program or read. I'm with Frackal on this, I look around and I see these people and I find it amusing.
Think of it in terms of all the animals in the world. The whole basis of life on Earth is the struggle for survival. Lions only eat what they can run down and catch in the hunt. Humans in well developed nations don't need to do that, they have supermarkets - they trade denominations of a monetary system in order to get the food. It has been shown that apes will build tools to improve their ability to get more food (not power tools obviously, but employing sticks and such to increase the rate at which they can get food). Humans break into different groups and one of those groups will then get that food using elaborate tools, which they purchase with the money. That thought process evetually leads to disease - if an elephant is born with a malform leg, or if its brain is essetially dumber than the rest of its herd, or if its body uses too much water too quickly - then it will die. Either directly from the problem at hand, or it will be too slow when times of necessity arise and it will get caught and eaten. Humans have invented medicine - so diseases and genetic mistakes are remaining and then working their way back into the gene pool.
All of that combined leads to a consumer based society where people no longer have a threat against them, and instead have idle time where they need to pass it. It leads to depression, boredom, and missplaced aggression.
Watching people worrying about clothes, make up, and implants has to be as amusing to other cultures as it is for us to look at African tribes where they use rings to extend their necks or plates to expand their lips.
blah blah blah - I'm rambling.
anyway - Frackal - you are just describing the condition that is cultural evolution - the less work that needs to be done, the more idle time there is and there will be ways to fill it and a market exists where it consists solely of devices to occupy that time. is it good or bad? depends on how you look at it - but considering it has been in place for some time and it is the atmosphere that we live in - instead of fighting it, perhaps it would be better to look at the people around you, that walk about oblivious to the way they don't see the world and think to yourself how you can exploit them. I'm not saying kidnap them and use them as slave labor - not that kind of exploitation - but in the way that they are essentionally malleable minds walking around connected to money - and money is what society dictates that we need to move higher in the eyes of others... so mold them into something that gets you the money. find something that the mindless masses want, and the more universal it is, the more money you will make.
and my comment above about genetic mistakes getting propigated back into the gene pool is likely going to get misconstrued, but I assure you that I had no intention of proposing some Hitler-esque ideas.
Think of it in terms of all the animals in the world. The whole basis of life on Earth is the struggle for survival. Lions only eat what they can run down and catch in the hunt. Humans in well developed nations don't need to do that, they have supermarkets - they trade denominations of a monetary system in order to get the food. It has been shown that apes will build tools to improve their ability to get more food (not power tools obviously, but employing sticks and such to increase the rate at which they can get food). Humans break into different groups and one of those groups will then get that food using elaborate tools, which they purchase with the money. That thought process evetually leads to disease - if an elephant is born with a malform leg, or if its brain is essetially dumber than the rest of its herd, or if its body uses too much water too quickly - then it will die. Either directly from the problem at hand, or it will be too slow when times of necessity arise and it will get caught and eaten. Humans have invented medicine - so diseases and genetic mistakes are remaining and then working their way back into the gene pool.
All of that combined leads to a consumer based society where people no longer have a threat against them, and instead have idle time where they need to pass it. It leads to depression, boredom, and missplaced aggression.
Watching people worrying about clothes, make up, and implants has to be as amusing to other cultures as it is for us to look at African tribes where they use rings to extend their necks or plates to expand their lips.
blah blah blah - I'm rambling.
anyway - Frackal - you are just describing the condition that is cultural evolution - the less work that needs to be done, the more idle time there is and there will be ways to fill it and a market exists where it consists solely of devices to occupy that time. is it good or bad? depends on how you look at it - but considering it has been in place for some time and it is the atmosphere that we live in - instead of fighting it, perhaps it would be better to look at the people around you, that walk about oblivious to the way they don't see the world and think to yourself how you can exploit them. I'm not saying kidnap them and use them as slave labor - not that kind of exploitation - but in the way that they are essentionally malleable minds walking around connected to money - and money is what society dictates that we need to move higher in the eyes of others... so mold them into something that gets you the money. find something that the mindless masses want, and the more universal it is, the more money you will make.
and my comment above about genetic mistakes getting propigated back into the gene pool is likely going to get misconstrued, but I assure you that I had no intention of proposing some Hitler-esque ideas.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why are Americans so stupid.....? Seriously.
Yeah, Im WELL over 20 (sucks for me). I have no beef, I just think its a little harsh to call all these people losers just because they dont workout, or eat right.
You missed my point on the 95% thing... its not that there are 5% of the population that are different, its that we are all the same except for 5% within each person.
Like... you and I are 95% the same, but there is a small 5% that makes us different. Generally we all want the same shit and are far more alike than different.
Code said:
Yeah, Im WELL over 20 (sucks for me). I have no beef, I just think its a little harsh to call all these people losers just because they dont workout, or eat right.
You missed my point on the 95% thing... its not that there are 5% of the population that are different, its that we are all the same except for 5% within each person.
Like... you and I are 95% the same, but there is a small 5% that makes us different. Generally we all want the same shit and are far more alike than different.
Taps
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Re: Re: Re: Why are Americans so stupid.....? Seriously.
I did that, and you're right...it's amazing how much more clear my mind feels. Hell, I think my brain is cleaner since I gave up TV. I thought I'd miss it, but I don't even think about it anymore....
Now I get disgusted with people who sit in front of that damn box for 8 hours a day.
And I don't think kids today are particularly stupid. Remember, being a teenager is about conformity and fitting in -- we all tried to be part of a group when we were fifteen. MTV influenced social groups in 1983, and it's still doing it in 2003. The marketing has become slicker and the haircuts have changed but that's about it.
Frackal said:
I did that, and you're right...it's amazing how much more clear my mind feels. Hell, I think my brain is cleaner since I gave up TV. I thought I'd miss it, but I don't even think about it anymore....
Now I get disgusted with people who sit in front of that damn box for 8 hours a day.
And I don't think kids today are particularly stupid. Remember, being a teenager is about conformity and fitting in -- we all tried to be part of a group when we were fifteen. MTV influenced social groups in 1983, and it's still doing it in 2003. The marketing has become slicker and the haircuts have changed but that's about it.
