WhooooHooo....My first Test/Deca cycle

[HighIntensity]

yea you too brother

what the fuck does that mean?

you don't know what HCG is

you don't realize that 20 weeks of deca is retarted

your a clueless twit that can't even put a cycle together, yet has already started one...typically newbie wanna be who will lose all his gains after words and claim the gear was bunk...

shut the fuck up

good luck run deca 20 weeks...have fun...see what happens

 

[Golden_Muscle]

HighIntensity is 100% correct. You dont know what Hcg is and your doing a 20 week cycle? By the time you do a cycle you should already know about every kind of steroid.

Forget the keto diet thing as well, It doesnt sound like you know much about diet either. Im not flaming you, im helping you. Its better to bulk all the way up, then cut down until your satisfied.

Steroids dont have to be complicated or abused to get the results you want, unless you wanna be the next dorion yates.

 

[Nick1974]

i pick up this from Anabolicreview.com

"HCG, is not an anabolic/an-drogenic steroid but a natural protein hormone which develops in the placenta of a pregnant woman. HCG is manufac-tured from the urine of pregnant women since it is excreted in un-changed form from the blood via the woman's urine, passing through the kidneys. The commercially available HCG is sold as a dry substance and can be used both in men and women. in women injectable HCG allows for ovulation since it influences the last stages of the development of the ovum, thus stimulating ovulation. In a man HCG stimulates pro-duction of androgenic hormones (testosterone). For this reason athletes use injectable HCG to increase the testosterone produc-tion. HCG is often used in combination with anabolic/androgenic steroids during or after treatment. Since the body usually needs a certain amount of time to get its testoster-one production going again, the athlete, after discontinuing ste-roid compounds, experiences a difficult transition phase which often goes hand in hand with a considerable loss in both strength and muscle mass. Administering HCG directly after steroid treat-ment helps to reduce this condition because HCG increases the testosterone production in the testes very quickly and reliably. In the event of testicular atrophy caused by mega doses and very long periods of usage, HCG also helps to quickly bring the testes back to their original condition (size). Since occasional injections of HCG during steroid intake can avoid a testicular atrophy, many athletes use HCG for two to three weeks in the middle of their steroid treatment. It is often observed that during this time the athlete makes his best progress with respect to gains in both strength and muscle mass. Those who are on the juice all year round, who might suffer psychological consequences or who would perhaps risk the breakup of a relationship because of this should consider this drawback when taking HCG in regular in-tervals. A reduced libido and spermatogenesis due to steroids, in most cases, can be successfully cured by treatment with HCG.

Most athletes, however, use HCG at the end of a treatment in order to avoid a "crash," that is, to achieve the best possible transition into "natural training." A precondition, however, is that the steroid intake or dosage be reduced slowly and evenly before taking HCG. Although HCG causes a quick and significant increase of the endogenic plasma- testosterone level, unfortunately it is not a perfect remedy to prevent the loss of strength and mass at the end of a steroid treatment. Although HCG does stimulate endogenous testosterone production, it does not help in re-estab-lishing the normal hypothalamic/pituitary testicular axis. The hypothalamus and pituitary are still in a refractory state after prolonged steroid usage, and remain this way while HCG is being used, because the endogenous testosterone produced as a-result of the exogenous HCG represses the endogenous LH production. Once the HCG is discontinued, the athlete must still go through a re-adjustment period. This is merely delayed by the HCG use." For this reason experienced athletes often take Clomid and Clenbuterol following HCG intake or they immediately begin an-other steroid treatment. Some take HCG merely to get off the "steroids" for at least two to three weeks.

HCG package insert states clearly that HCG "has no known effect of fat mobilization, appetite or sense of hunger, or body fat distribution." It further states, "HCG has not been demonstrated to be effective adjunctive therapy in the treatment of obesity, it does not increase fat losses beyond that resulting from caloric restriction. 6000 I.U. of HCG in a single injection resulted in elevated testosterone levels for six days after the injection. At a dosage of 1500 I.U. the pharmatestosterone level increases by 250-300% (2.5-3fold) com-pared to the initial value. The athlete should inject one HCG ampule every 5 days. Since the testosterone level remains considerably elevated for several days, it is unnecessary to inject HCG more than once every 5 days. The effective dosage for ath-letes is usually 2000-5000 I.U. per injection and should-as al-ready mentioned-be injected every 5 days. HCG should only be taken for a few weeks. If HCG is taken by male athletes over many weeks and in high dosages, it is possible that the testes will respond poorly to a later HCG intake and a release of the body's own LH. This could result in a permanent inadequate gonadal function.

HCG can in part cause side effects similar to those of injectable testosterone. A higher testosterone production also goes hand in hand with an elevated estrogen level which could result in gynecomastia. This could manifest itself in a temporary growth of breasts or reinforce already existing breast growth in men. Farsighted athletes thus combine HCG with an antiestrogen. Male athletes also report more frequent erections and an increased sexual desire. In high doses it can cause acne vulgaris and the storing of minerals and water. The last point must especially be observed since the water retention which is possible through the use of HCG could give the muscle system a puffy and watery appear-ance. Athletes who have already increased their endogenous test-osterone level by taking Clomid and intend subsequently to take HCG could experience considerable water retention and distinct feminization symptoms (gynecomastia, tendency toward fat de-posits on the hips). This is due to the fact that high testosterone leads to a high conversion rate to estrogens. In very young ath-letes HCG, like anabolic steroids, can cause an early stunting of growth since it prematurely closes the epiphysial growth plates. Mood swings and high blood pressure can also be attributed to the intake of HCG.

HCG's form of administration is also unusual. The substance choriongonadotropin is a white powdery freeze-dried substance which is usually used as a compress. Each package, for each HCG ampule, includes another ampule with an injection solution containing isotonic sodium chloride. This liq-uid, after both ampules have been opened in a sterile manner, is injected into the HCG ampule and mixed with the dried substance. The solution is then ready for use and should be injected intra-muscularly. If only part of the substance is injected the residual solution should be stored in the refrigerator. It is not necessary to store the unmixed HCG in the refrigerator; however, it should be kept out of light and below a temperature of 25* C. "


I recommend you do more reading and more research, i learned a lot from this site, i have to admit i did the same mistake on my first cycle i started without doing my homework. i would up the dose to 400 mg per week and run it for 10 weeks

 

[Grainger]

You need to spend mor time reading!!!

Mistakes so far...

20 week cycle
No clomid for recovery
No Nolvedex for possible gyno (first cycle you don't know how you will react.)
You don't know what HCG is?
You think that the 7 - 8 pounds that you gained is solid muscle
You think that Deca will cut you and the Test will bloat you.

Sorry but you are off to a bad start here. You came to this board because you want help and that is what we are trying to do believe it or not...we are NOT trying to bash you....in fact, a lot of us made the same mistakes that you did. So don't take the shit the wrong way....It is obvious that you are still green at this and that is ok. We all have to start someplace.

If you really want to get better, use the gear correctly and be safe...listen to what people on here are telling you....

Just my 2 cents

 

[c3bodybuilding]

Look bro, you came off kind of like a dick. He said you shouldn't be on gear, and he was being honest. Everyone here has only tried to help you. Some of these guys have bent over backwards.

I'm gonna be nice,but also honest, if you want to flame me, then go ahead. I don't believe this is your second cycle. Your questions, and lack of knowledge about simple things related to AS, leads me to think this. You really shouldn't be on this cycle. You have done little to no research, and just jumped right in. You didn't know about proper dosages, length of cycle, proper recovery, and I'd bet $5.00 that your training and nutrition is a mess. Bro, we all start some where, and all make mistakes. So, no harm done, as long as you wise up now. Ask questions, but don't get pissed off if people are honest with you, read up as much as you can, and use the search button.

Get your hands on some clomid now, or hcg. If you got deca, you should be able to get this. Stop the cycle, wait 3 weeks, and start the therapy. This cycle was a mistake, and you should just cut it short, and get back to the basics. Do your research, pay your dues, then come back and try again. Hey, we all were newbies at one point. Some of the bro's can be painfully honest, but wouldn't you rather have them lay down the truth, then sugar coat it, and tell you what you want to hear? Good luck, and don't hesitate to ask anymore questions, learning is a good thing.

 

[grafix-GNC]

i wouldnt do 20 weeks bro

 

[x1shbronc55]

Im sorry, Im sorry guy but i've been visiting this post about a little over a year now, and i do admit my first cycle i didnt know shit about a/s, but now i thought i knew pretty much most of the facts about it. My training habbits are nothin less than supreme. i train very very hard for 6 days a week, my diet is VERY strict with double my weight in protein. And i know it was foolish to say I think i gain 7lbs of muscle i just 4 week but it just seemed the right thing to say cuz my 1 rep bench max went up 40lbs, and iwas stuck forever with a STRICT diet and training routine. And i thank yall for telling me that 20 week long cycle is very very bad, becase i've read and people have told me that this would not be bad at all, they said they infact do 20week long cycles. So just givin you guy some insite, thanks for all the help

 

[RussianBro]

Im sorry, Im sorry guy but i've been visiting this post about a little over a year now, and i do admit my first cycle i didnt know shit about a/s, but now i thought i knew pretty much most of the facts about it. My training habbits are nothin less than supreme. i train very very hard for 6 days a week, my diet is VERY strict with double my weight in protein. And i know it was foolish to say I think i gain 7lbs of muscle i just 4 week but it just seemed the right thing to say cuz my 1 rep bench max went up 40lbs, and iwas stuck forever with a STRICT diet and training routine. And i thank yall for telling me that 20 week long cycle is very very bad, becase i've read and people have told me that this would not be bad at all, they said they infact do 20week long cycles. So just givin you guy some insite, thanks for all the help

that's cool to hear you've got balls to tell this, bro...
I respect that... HighIntesity, Golden_Muscle are good brothas, so as a BUNCH of other bros around EF. They wouldn't let you down...

 

[ripper2]

best advice is to do what C3bodybuilding said... get some clomid ASAP and cut the cycle short... in the mean time get some nolvadex maybe some arimidex or femera (better safe than sorry in this game) and do A LOT of reading on the boards. there is a vast wealth of knowledge here that you haven't gotten into too deeply yet.

like the guys were saying, everyone starts somewhere and everyone makes mistakes. if you want to get the most out of this, then wait until you have your whole cycle planned out... check it with the guys on the board for suggestions/comments (make sure you have the necessary supplies incase of gyno and to come off) and THEN start your cycle.

best of luck to you bro