wholewheat pasta on a cut?

[kylewoods]

im getting sick of eatin brown rice, so thought id change it up a little and eat some whole wheat pasta, i got some today the ingredients are..

Ingredients: Stoneground Durum Wholewheat.

well just wondering if this is ok on a cut? becuase im cutting at the moment how much better is it than normal pasta

 

[KidnKorner]

Although I no longer have the article, It showed that whole wheat pasta had a lower glycemix index than brown rice. Some dude on here who looks like he has nick lachey for an avatar will be able to comment more, he focuses more on insulin index foods, so he will tell you try barley or something like this.

I <3 whole weat pasta!

 

[Lifterforlife]

Sure, whole wheat pasta will be fine. Again, as I have told others, simply fit it into your calories. It does not matter how good a food is, if you exceed your maintenance caloric intake for a period of time, you know what will happen.

Here is one of my favorites on glycemic index....many links to follow for many things other than index, in fact, glycemic load is a much better indicator.

http://www.mendosa.com/common_foods_bw.htm

A common measurement of food is the glycemic index (GI). One of the drawbacks of using only the GI is that it can be misleading, which is why some people prefer using glycemic load (GL) instead.

GI tests aren't based on typical portion sizes of foods. Instead, researchers use a standard measure of 50 grams of carbohydrates of the foods that they are testing. For example, a carrot contains only 4-6 grams of available carbs, so you'd need to eat about 10 carrots to consume 50 grams of carbohydrates -- and it's unlikely that anybody eats that many carrots at one meal. But many people avoid carrots and other nutritious high-GI foods such as beets and squash because of their higher GI values. This is where the glycemic load measurement proves more useful.

The GL takes portion size into account and gives a more accurate picture of the glycemic value of foods. If you know the GI of a particular food, you can calculate the glycemic load by using the following formula: multiply the GI by the amount of carbohydrate in the food and divide that number by 100. Ex: A teaspoon of jam with a GI of 51 and a carb count of 5 grams would be (51 x 5 grams carb) / 100 = 2.5.

 

[thelion2005]

IMO ....
lifter's science is correct. At one time I lived by the GL and it allowed me to eat certain flours, grains, fruits and sugars within limits.

Then I switched to veggies only within the carb family. The resulting body change was a shock. Fat fell off and stored water poured out. Energy went sky high and my waist got smaller.

I had to stop and add some products back because I was getting too lean.

 

[nycgirl]

IMO ....
lifter's science is correct. At one time I lived by the GL and it allowed me to eat certain flours, grains, fruits and sugars within limits.

Then I switched to veggies only within the carb family. The resulting body change was a shock. Fat fell off and stored water poured out. Energy went sky high and my waist got smaller.

I had to stop and add some products back because I was getting too lean.

Are you eating yams/sweet potatoes or green veggies that have carbs?

I eliminated most grains, cereals, pastas & definitely fruits. I eat oats only in the morning and I have a cup of Kashi Go Lean post workout.

 

[Lifterforlife]

Not sure where the all fruit thing is bad came from, but it permeates the boards.

Of course too much of anything may be bad, but some fruit will do no harm. There is this perception that fructose is the devil.

Remember, fructose uses a non insulin dependent pathway. It is stored as liver glycogen for later use(for instance at night, liver glycogen is used to prevent starvation, this is why FFA are higher in the morning).

Unless severe dieting, like contest dieting, I advocate a bit of fruit, especially anything that ends in berries...like blueberries, etc. Nutrient powerhouse.

 

[nycgirl]

Not sure where the all fruit thing is bad came from, but it permeates the boards.

Of course too much of anything may be bad, but some fruit will do no harm. There is this perception that fructose is the devil.

Remember, fructose uses a non insulin dependent pathway. It is stored as liver glycogen for later use(for instance at night, liver glycogen is used to prevent starvation, this is why FFA are higher in the morning).

Unless severe dieting, like contest dieting, I advocate a bit of fruit, especially anything that ends in berries...like blueberries, etc. Nutrient powerhouse.

I don't think its bad. I have blood sugar issues, I can only do berries. Something like pineapple (which I use to eat all the time), will make me crash.

 

[Lifterforlife]

I don't think its bad. I have blood sugar issues, I can only do berries. Something like pineapple (which I use to eat all the time), will make me crash.

Know the issue very well, live with it daily. My wife is diabetic.

That being said, pineapple is extremely high in sugars, and should definitely be avoided. You are right to use the suffix berries for your fruit source.

Dried fruits are even worse! Much more concentrated.

 

[nycgirl]

Know the issue very well, live with it daily. My wife is diabetic.

That being said, pineapple is extremely high in sugars, and should definitely be avoided. You are right to use the suffix berries for your fruit source.

Dried fruits are even worse! Much more concentrated.

I know it too. I don't have it, but my Mom has Type II and had gestational when she was pregant with me. I have to take Glucorell just to eat Brown Rice. I'm glad I found this website & lifestyle in my 20's.

Oh, yes. I use to LOVE dried Apricots too. lol

 

[Transporter]

they have now brown rice pasta. check out in your health food store

 

[Lifterforlife]

That reminds me, they have spinach pasta also. Great stuff, I only see it in my health food store though.

 

[javaguru]

Although I no longer have the article, It showed that whole wheat pasta had a lower glycemix index than brown rice. Some dude on here who looks like he has nick lachey for an avatar will be able to comment more, he focuses more on insulin index foods, so he will tell you try barley or something like this.

I <3 whole weat pasta!

Very funny...K to you. I prefer the "reduced" carb pasta sources as they have a better taste than the whole wheat but I use them for post workout when dieting. I actually DO prefer oat bran type grains for my carb sources due to their nutrient density. Veggies and fruits are probably the best carb sources when you consider calorie density to nutrients.

 

[kylewoods]

Very funny...K to you. I prefer the "reduced" carb pasta sources as they have a better taste than the whole wheat but I use them for post workout when dieting. I actually DO prefer oat bran type grains for my carb sources due to their nutrient density. Veggies and fruits are probably the best carb sources when you consider calorie density to nutrients.

thanks for the replys lads

just one more thing, as i am on a cut should i cut out the dextrose in my POST-WORKOUT shake and use oatmeal?

 

[pintoca]

I discovered whole wheat pasta only recently, about a month ago. As mentioned before, weighted and do a conversion for the rice you used to eat... convert based on grams of carbs, not grams of pasta!

I used a veggie sauce (onions, eggplants, zuccini) and mixed some grilled turkey into it... hey, I can't cook, but that was decent! if only for the sake of variety. I have included it ever since, have it probably once a week.

 

[Lifterforlife]

thanks for the replys lads

just one more thing, as i am on a cut should i cut out the dextrose in my POST-WORKOUT shake and use oatmeal?

Cutting does not mean cutting out everything. It means cutting calories in an intelligent manner. Not trying to sound trite here,hope you don't take it that way.

I usually make my pwo shake the last thing I mess with,and then simply cut down the amount. Recovery is essential, no matter what diet you are on. As you drop other calories, your overall calorie requirements will naturally drop, so then a reduction of some of your pwo dextrose will be in order anyway..

 

[digimon7068]

Not sure where the all fruit thing is bad came from, but it permeates the boards.

Of course too much of anything may be bad, but some fruit will do no harm. There is this perception that fructose is the devil.

Remember, fructose uses a non insulin dependent pathway. It is stored as liver glycogen for later use(for instance at night, liver glycogen is used to prevent starvation, this is why FFA are higher in the morning).

Unless severe dieting, like contest dieting, I advocate a bit of fruit, especially anything that ends in berries...like blueberries, etc. Nutrient powerhouse.

Everyone (including me) is aware of their carb intake now. Years back, everyone was a fat nazi, then we were told that sugar was the real enemy. Now things seem to be moderating a little bit. However, there's absolutely no doubt that too much sugar is BAAAAAAD.

Personally, as I've gotten older, I've found it much easier to lean out by manipulating my carb intake. When I cut back on fat, I get weak and sick.

That said, if you're cutting up and you have-to-have some pasta, either don't eat much or eat a brand that contains a lot of fiber (e.g., whole wheat).

 

[Lifterforlife]

Everyone (including me) is aware of their carb intake now. Years back, everyone was a fat nazi, then we were told that sugar was the real enemy. Now things seem to be moderating a little bit. However, there's absolutely no doubt that too much sugar is BAAAAAAD.

Personally, as I've gotten older, I've found it much easier to lean out by manipulating my carb intake. When I cut back on fat, I get weak and sick.

Nice post...it is good to see that folks who live the bodybuilding lifestyle understand nutrients. Somehow some things have become "evil".

As was stated by the poster, when dieting, especially contest dieting, then some of these things do become a bit "evil". But, that is a whole other post.

 

[javaguru]

Nice post...it is good to see that folks who live the bodybuilding lifestyle understand nutrients. Somehow some things have become "evil".

As was stated by the poster, when dieting, especially contest dieting, then some of these things do become a bit "evil". But, that is a whole other post.

I'll quote Dan Duchaine when I say," There are no bad nutrients, only bad timing."

 

[javaguru]

thanks for the replys lads

just one more thing, as i am on a cut should i cut out the dextrose in my POST-WORKOUT shake and use oatmeal?

I say no...your body is in a very different mode post workout Vs. the rest of the day. I normally consume less than 40g carbs from my oat bran first thing in the morning and 1g per pound total around my workouts. Carb timing is very useful.

 

[Lifterforlife]

I'll quote Dan Duchaine when I say," There are no bad nutrients, only bad timing."

Actually, there is at least one evil.....I consider hydrogenated oils evil to anyone, not just bodybuilders. Trans fats will kill.

 

[kylewoods]

once again thanks for the help.