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WHole egg vs. Egg whites/ Lets Debate!

Goldprospector

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The purpose of this thread is for a debate to see if we can come to some conclusions about whether or not to eat the whole egg. There was a recent thread where a bro got raked for eating 7 dozen whole eggs per week.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=382525
I usually eat 4 dozen whole eggs each week and my cholesterol levels have also remained in good shape. Here are a couple of studies to indicate that the whole eggs is better than eating the whites alone.


This study involving eggs should be of particular interest to readers since it was done on bodybuilders in 1986. Published in the International Journal of Sports Medicine, it concluded that high egg consumption did not equate an increased risk of heart disease. Interestingly, those who ate more eggs had a more favorable risk profile. Plasma HDLs were higher and plasma triglycerides, a fat associated with a higher risk of heart disease, were lower in the high egg group as compared with low egg intake group.
The study included 76 bodybuilders whose egg intake varied from none to 81 a week, with some consuming as many as 12 a day. Those who ate six eggs or more per day averaged 188 milligrams per deciliter total cholesterol, which is well below the 200 mg/dl that the average person is told to strive for. The subjects who ate fewer than one and a half eggs a day averaged 175 mg/dl total cholesterol, slightly better than the high egg group. However, the high egg subjects averaged higher HDL levels at 56 mg/dl versus 50 mg/dl for the low group: The bodybuilders who ate lots of eggs also showed a much lower triglyceride level at 124 mg/dl as opposed to 172 mg/dl for the low egg athletes.

The study proved once again that eating lots of eggs does not elevate plasma cholesterol levels. It lowered them. How about the 88-year-old man who ate 25 eggs a day for many years yet showed no signs of high cholesterol or triglycerides? I didn't make this up. His case study was reported in the New England Journal of Medicine.


As with this one, which Dr. William Campbell Douglass included in his book, Vitamins Can Heal. The diet in New Guinea is extremely low in cholesterol so it was determined that this was the ideal locale to test if the introduction of eggs would increase the cholesterol levels of the natives. It was assumed that blood cholesterol levels would soar once they started eating lots of eggs. But to the researchers' amazement, there was no significant effect on the subjects' cholesterol levels. Clearly showing that eggs are not responsible for the health problem attributed to them by so many.

Finally, a study conducted by the American Cancer Society should put an end to the disputation once and for all. It involved 800,000 people and revealed that those who avoided eating eggs had a higher death rate from heart attacks and strokes than those who ate eggs.

Finally this thread will not yet go into the greater benefits of eating whole eggs but I can tell you that it is worth eating the yolks just for the benefit of the Lecithin, since lecithin is an actual proven cholesterol-lowering agent. Two other points to ponder for the purpose of a good debate are; it is fact that your body will only absorb roughly 2% of dietary intake of cholesterol. And second, the lowly egg has the HIGHEST biological value of ANY an ALL foods! The BV of an egg is 93.7%. Top that. :p

I’ll have a double serving of whole eggs please! :artist: ;)
 
yeah the yolk has the amino profile you want but the cholesterol you don't want. I think 1 whole and the rest white is best for me.
You will NOT get the cholesterol from the yolk. Your body will only absorb 2%. Then with the extra lecithin...you will still flush out higher or unwanted amounts.

Good info man. I think the reason most eat more whites is because you get more protein when you eat a bunch of whites with out all of the calories.
Another thing that I wonder about is whether or not people do the protien count of 1/2 of the contents of the egg? If you eat the whites only, then you are getting only about 3g of protien without all the dietary benifits of the yolk, ie. certain amino's, vitamins, minerals, ect.
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There is no debate whatsoever

Yolks don't cause high blood cholesterol
Period

this being said some people just don't want the extra calories from the yolks
 
one point we forgot to mention on that 7 dozen-eggs-a-week is that most of us need to relate to other people (customers, coworkers, family) on a daily basis...

That many eggs will give me some serious relationship-breaking farting...

As for the yolk, I would take a whole egg over a bunch of whites everyday (I don't eat either)... It's just a matter of calories, I get all my calories and nutrietns from other sources, so no need for me... but yep, I do eat the ocassional eggs on weekends and stuff.
 
There is no debate whatsoever

Yolks don't cause high blood cholesterol
Period

The whole purpose of this thread was the idea that Bigpapa511 got raked about his egg consumption and his cholesterol...
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=382525
So there must be some kind of debate...that is if you read the other thread.

one point we forgot to mention on that 7 dozen-eggs-a-week is that most of us need to relate to other people (customers, coworkers, family) on a daily basis...

That many eggs will give me some serious relationship-breaking farting...

I guess I am one of the lucky ones...I don't get any kind of gas from eggs or any other protiens for that matter. I know a lot of people who do get gas from even just drinking PT shakes, or from eggs, and I would assume that the sulpher content from the eggs could be bad...but I think it mostly happens when you don't eat much of them or very often. The same goes with shakes, if you don't drink a high PT shake very often, then you can get gas from it. But since I eat a lot of eggs, No worries!
 
Goldprospector said:
The whole purpose of this thread was the idea that Bigpapa511 got raked about his egg consumption and his cholesterol...
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=382525
So there must be some kind of debate...that is if you read the other thread.

The link doesn't work

so I couldn't read this thread

what was the concern ?

I've read plenty of dtudies that prove that food cholesterol has little to no influence to blood cholesterol if you're healthy
 
Cholesterol is a prohormone (it escaped the ban somehow), the body can use it to produce Testosterone.

Eggs - I love 'em. I eat anywhere from two to six yolks per day.

My cholesterol is amazingly low. Did I mention I take androgens, too?

Well, taking care of your total health is important and i think the egg cholesterol problem is overrated. Lecithin takes care of most of that, as Goldprospector mentioned.

I like to eat 1yolk for every four whites. So i'll have 12 whites and 3 yolks. Adding bread

Top whole eggs? OK. How about:

Whole eggs + wheat + milk? You get more glutamine and leucine from the wheat and milk.
 
The link doesn't work

so I couldn't read this thread

what was the concern ?

I tried the link again and it worked for me...I did not have any concerns, I just thought that it was odd, that, in this particular thread that is linked, the bro said he eats 7 dozen eggs per week and then all these other bro's jump on a bandwagon saying that he should get his cholesterol checked and all kinds of shit. I agree with you that the diatary cholesterol is not a problem...I just wanted to have the bro's that jumped on the other thread's bandwagon to come on hear with whatever debates that they had as to why they would tell the bro that he should not eat eggs due to the cholesterol levels.
 
Yeah anthrax, I have heard that too, your body produces what you need, and if you are healthy, then your body will dispose of it.
 
Well I think we all know that eggs, while a great source of nutrition, often cause serious side effects that can prove detrimental to your health. Eggs can cause intense feelings of alienation, isolation, self-disgust, and depression. CAUSE NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO STAND YOUR EGG-FARTIN' ASS. Seriously, I like eggs, but damn.
 
yolk = sat fat + cals that come from fat
white = cleaner source of protein

cholesterol shouldn't be an issue...of all the cholesterol in your body 85% is endogenous and 15% is exogenous. My GP and parents told me to not to eat so many eggs.

Inactivity and shitty diet in general would do far worse.
 
Some more info if you're concerned about cholesterol issues and eggs:

Thirteen patients at the Highland Hospital in Oakland, California were fed the equivalent in egg yolks of that found in 15 eggs per day for a 3 week period. The serum cholesterol did not increase significantly in any except two bedridden, obese patients. Four of the 7 ambulatory patients in the study actually showed a slight decrease in serum cholesterol.

In the Ireland-Boston Heart Study the researchers followed 600 Irishmen between the ages of 30 and 60 who had lived in Boston for 10 or more years and their brothers who had never left the old country. The Irish brothers ate about twice as many eggs as their American brothers--averaging over 14 per week. Yet, the Irish brothers had lower levels of cholesterol in their bloodstream, and their hearts were rated from 2 to 6 times healthier. The same Harvard doctor examined both groups.

Dr. Robert Itchiness, a cardiologist in New York city specializing in metabolic disorders, has treated over 8,000 patients. He lowered the serum cholesterol markedly in 63 percent of his patients with a diet high in meat, milk, and eggs. Dr. Itchiness believes that 95 percent of all heart trouble is associated with high serum triglycerides and attributes this to the staggering increase in sugar consumption--up from 7 pounds per person in 1840 to over 100 pounds today.

Obviously if your cutting and not on a CKD, then egg whites are lower in total calories. The fat, however, in egg yolks are predominately "good fats". There's also 18 mg. of DHA in one egg yolk, (the enriched ones have 120-150 mgs. per egg), over a gram of lecithin and betaine as well.
 
Good post!

Another thing to point out is as long as the yolks are being consumed raw, you will get the nutritional value from it. Cooking the egg(fried, boiled, poached, baked, etc) will diminish what the yolk has in its natural raw state destroying most of its beneficial qualities: vitamins, minerals, & healthy fats.

The primary reason for eggs getting a bad reputation for cholesterol is the ones that were getting negative results from it already had a lowered health state and thus the reason for removing it from their diet.
 
There is a small proportion of the population whose body is unable to adjust cholesterol production based on dietary intake, they have to moniter cholesterol intake. That being said, I actually make omelettes using two eggs with yolks from free range vegetarian chickens and two egg whites. It isn't about cholesterol but total fat intake.
 
anthrax said:
There is no debate whatsoever
Yolks don't cause high blood cholesterol
Period
this being said some people just don't want the extra calories from the yolks

Agreed... it's not a debate.
Some choose not to research and accept "common knowledge" that cholestoral is bad for one's health.

When in fact is stimulates natty test production and does NOT clog our arteries.

I can't wait to eat whole eggs again... cutting, just whites for me... in a carton... lol.
 
If you can fit it into your daily calorie intake whether cutting or bulking, whole eggs are perfectly fine.
 
lacoste said:
If you can fit it into your daily calorie intake whether cutting or bulking, whole eggs are perfectly fine.
at the end of the day you're compeltly right it's all about the overall caloric intake.
 
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