Who uses clomid during a cycle

[MikeyLikesJuice]

Just wanna get a good amount of comments on this, not a few, so me and ultra, in a friendly way can clear this up. Who rather use it 3 weeks after there last shot or use it during your cycle? Comments please, and I'm not flaming ultragainz at all I have totally respect for him. Thanks

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

come on guys, we need this to be the best ouut of like, 21. I'm trying ultra!

 

[ultragainz]

yes it good to keep your test levels high plus your ball wont go down 50mgs eod in a cycle is good Bill Roberts had on e guy try it with d-bol he gained 13 pounds and kept 10 of it something like that...and notthing wrong if you do that 50mgs eod is fine...add more if you like take it ed/eod in hard cycles is good too.

 

[ultragainz]

if someone proves me wrong i leave that board heh heh heh heh...

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

your test levels are going to be high with all that juice in you. The clomid will work if test levels are low at 100%, if your body is loaded with test this pretty much makes the clomid not work as good a very low % during the cycle, and your body can get use to clomid. Clomid is not a safe drug, so taking it longer then 3-4 weeks to me is tooo much

 

[ultragainz]

so you saying if you take clomid in a cycle its a waste??well if yes someone prove that to me cuz its not.

 

[ultragainz]

why is clomid not a safe drug??

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

the only reason I feel it is a waste is because its not working at a 100%, like if your body isn't being supplied with test from juice. When after the 3 weeks is up after your last shot is when the clomid is 100% effective, thats why using it during the cycle is a waste ultra, you can't stay on clomid real long like that, its not good

 

[NinjaX]

after the the last shot, most take clomid after test, why take clomid to raise your test levels when they are already high

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

ultra taking clomid after a long period of time, don't be surprise to have hot flashes and headaches. It also bloats me real bad, and you don't break out from clomid? I break out bad if I stay on longer then 3 weeks

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

also I swear it started doing things to my vision.

 

[ultragainz]

let me bump this up

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

lol

 

[ultragainz]

well there are many people on this board that have used clomid in a cycle like 50mgs eod....

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

im not denying that at all, all I'm saying is once all the juice is lowering out of your system, then the clomid will be use to its max, like after 3weeks after your last shot. Taking during a cycle I m not saying it doesn't help your little guys, just a waste of pills you could have for other cycles.

 

[ultragainz]

also let me add in you know what "ZOLADEX " is??

"ZOLADEX" will cause a transient rise is the production and secretion of endogenous testosterone up until half of the cycle, only to lower it rapidly by the approx. 21-day mark. Since there is sufficient amount of androgens in the blood (via our steroid use), we will not cause endocrine shock to our system, quite the contrary, this part of the cycle should be the most productive. Due to a timed release of long acting androgens, we are experiencing a peak quantity of androgens in the blood. It is important to use Sustanon, as it is a true long acting drug, Testosterone enanthate and cypionate have much shorter life span than generally thought (at 14-day mark, these drugs have a way too litlle active compound to cause a sufficient physiological response, unless testosterone replacement is the goal). Administration of Deca durabolin even increases this anabolic effect further, plus there is added benefit in improving one's general well-being and appetite. Deca durabolin is later substituted by methandrostenolone for its short action and fast metabolism (one could substitute with his drug of choice, but it has to be a fast acting drug). As soon as castration state sets in, we start with HCG implementation (to artifically maintain LH, which prevents testes shrinkage and keeps up some endogenous testosterone production). At this point, we do not have any natural LH production. Due to a chronic rise in gonadorelin analogues (ZOLADEX), pituitary has down-regulated its Gn-RH receptors, but as soon as the minimal conditions are present, Gn-RH receptors will increase rapidly. This fact alone is responsible for immediate, rapid production of natural testosterone as soon as minimal conditions are present (namely, when the ZOLADEX effect wears off, or is at its minimal strenght). This can be compared to covering the blanket over a live fire. We cut-off its oxygen supply, but the fire does not die off, it just reduces its intensity to a minimum, forcing it to smoulder, but once we uncover the fire, it burts with flames with maximum intensity.

It also has to be pointed out that regular administration of ZOLADEX will cause problems, as it will chronically down-regulate Gn-RH receptors. So one shot per such short cycle is enough, do not try to combine the cycles or increase the frequency of ZOLADEX shots during or between longer cycles. It is also advisable that one does not exceed such practice beyond 3 consecutive short cycles, at that point one should take a break for at least one month off steroidal drugs completely to assist in regeneration of the organism.




just letting you know

 

[B182]

How/why is clomid not safe? There are documented medical trials of men using clomid for prolonged periods of time without ill-effects.

I try to use it both during and after my cylcles. Although it won't prevent my test levels from crashing, it will minimize my testicle atrophy and will keep my loads thick and juicy. It's also been a more than adequate estrogen blocker for me...

I prefer clomid over nolva any day. It's cheap, and works great.

 

[ultragainz]

also you well recover faster after the cycle like your hpta.....

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

huh, clomid and nolva do different things, and ultra that post well here you go

 

[ultragainz]

what???yes i know clomid and novld is different....novld sucks....

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

b182 I know that, as far as clomid over nolv

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

not you ultra b182 lol

 

[ultragainz]

iam just telling you about that "ZOLADEX" cause i was reading about it

 

[ultragainz]

oooooooh ok my bad...LOL

 

[ultragainz]

plus clomid n a cycle is great take it ed or eod..add some arimidex in the cycle well be even better plus recovering well be great

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

ultra I said Im not denying any of that, the fact is it is a waste cause the pill is not being used 100%. Its like have d-bol and taking 1 or 2 tabs a day out of 200, or splitting the 200 up into a couple of weeks, better results with the pill. No can we please drop this, its starting to get on my nerves. No one is respponding cause they have respect for you as you cans see. You have been on this board alot longer so they are not saying anything.

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

also I would keep the same kind of gains if I used the clomid during the cycle then waiting 3 weeks after the last shot, still keep a great percentage, so what a waste of pills. Why use 90 pills or 60 when you can use 35-45 and keep the same gains and have your weight kept pretty much the same.

 

[ultragainz]

arimidex and clomid in a cycle together is great....yes i know that its NOT proven if clomid in a cycle is added some people say you well recover faster but some say you wont...but it well help you from shrinking your balls...clomid and arimidex ina cycle is good....also people that juice all year roudn take clomid in there cycles most of the times....clomid in a cycel is finnnnneee

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

i agree I just don't seeing spending an extra 80-90 more for clomid when my balls will come back to normal after the last shot and test levels will come back, and I keep most of my gains. Iwill use the extra 90 dollars for more test or deca. I know the clomid I get may sound exp 45 bucks for 24 tabs but thats what I get I like my source its legit so I buy from him. I don't care if you get it cheaper it would cost me an extra 90 bucks a cycle and it wouldn't do anything different then the way I all ready do it.

 

[B182]

huh, clomid and nolva do different things, and ultra that post well here you go

While they do have differing pharmacokinetic properties, they do have similar effects and work in a very similar fashion. They both affect HPTA function through binding to estrogen receptors in the hyopthalamus, although clomid has a much stronger effect on HPTA function, they both are estrogen blockers etc. I was stating a preference over nolvadex for estrogen blocking purposes, because there are other good effects clomid has during and after a cycle.

 

[MikeyLikesJuice]

b182 you misunderstood something with another post. I never heard someone say they rather have clom over nolv. I use nolv to try to stop gyno and clom to bring test levels back only. I don't use clom to try to stop gyno

 

[ultragainz]

i use arimidex to stop gyno...

 

[ultragainz]

lets bump this up for the people who use clomid in some of there cycles or all of there cycles...

 

[The Iron Game]

There is no point to use clomid during a cycle unless using it as an anti estrogen.

 

[ultragainz]

ok then i have seen people who juice all year round use it in there cycles...hey even E2 said something like useing clomid in a cycle...

 

[MadMachine]

I think Hucks input would be good here.

Look, the Hypo. reads both test and estrogen levels. If one is too high it cuts back the production of its signal hormone. In other words, if estrogen is way to high, it will cut back, and if test is way too high, it will cut back. Clomid only works to block the estrogen side of this. This means the androgen side is still reading too high. If you could come up with a drug that worked like clomid except it bound itself to androgen receptors, you would really have something. Either way, no matter how you look at it there will be HPTA supression. However, with using clomid it may not be as bad being that instead of both test and estrogen signals leading to supression, only test levels are.

Personal experience - clomid on cycle doesn't keep my nuts alive.

If you are concerned with the reestablishment of test levels sooner after a cycle (which you should be), here is what I see to be the best route.

Clomid does not work for everyone, that's the first thing you have to realize and accept. It barely does anything for me, perhaps my receptors don't have a good affinity for it, I don't know?

A big problem in post cycle recovery isn't LH hormone production, it's the testes response to LH hormone. There is a down time between the rising of the signal hormone and a response that varies amoungst people, but we all have it in some way or another. To fight this, using HCG throughout a cycle, and for 2 week after is best. However, the amount of HCG you use should be cut down from lets say 5kIU a week while on, to 1.5kIU a week the last two weeks. If clomid works well for you and you are not prone to gyno, use clomid during the cycle. If you are prone to gyno, or clomid does not work well for you, use .5mgs/day of arimidex to keep the aromotase enzyme in check. Then in the weeks following a cycle, you might shotgun several drugs. .5mgs of arimidex to keep total estrogen down, 50-100mgs of clomid to block whatever estrogen might still be in your system, and proviron to give your hypo a slight androgen signal (which actually sensatizes it), and to bind to SHBG.

here is what you are looking at with this plan.
-Maintaining LH sensativity to the testes.
-Eliminating aromotase enzymes so once natural production resumes, it doesn't immediately get converted.
-Blocking any remaining estrogen that might be in the system.
-Decreasing the level of SHBG in the blood stream and minorly a second effort to eliminate aromotase enzymes.

However, that plan is only for those who don't respond well to clomid. Some guys I know only need clomid for a week. I can take it for months and it does nothing. Nolvadex has absolutely NO ROLE in the HPTA.

 

[tiny nuts]

2 weeks after the the cycle eat clomid

 

[Mike80]

I have taken clomid and nolvadex together to combat water retention, and found that the clomid helped a great deal. If I cant afford arimidex, I use both clomid and nolva.

 

[tshoot]

I use clomid EOD or E3rdD during a cycle. For me, it absolutely helps keep my testicles from shriveling as much. I have done cycle with and without clomid during the cycle and, for me, it makes a difference. I don't know if it affects my HPTA level or not, but I know it helps retain my testicular size and I "seem" to recover quicker post cycle when I use it throughout and at the end.

 

[panerai]

There's no way, Clomid will work during the cycle, as it intended for postcycle. As selective estogen antagonist, yes, but it's very weak, for example, even Bill Roberst advise using 100mg of Clomid for 50mg of Dbol alone, not stacked with anything else 10mg of Nolvadex will do the same job.
There's really no point of taking Clomid during cycle, unless you absolutely have no reach for any other anti-gynos and you noticed first signs of one coming...

 

[ultragainz]

it well help your nuts....but i have tried it in cycles yes it did help the nuts..help your shot bigger loads if you want that.. and ok ok ok you got me on this post but there well be more so keep a look out.......nuff said