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Who thinks that global warming is overrated?

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samoth

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I know Redguru feels this is a way overrated topic... who else agrees? What are some reasons that global warming fanatics are overlooking or ignoring? I don't know much about the topic, so post up here regardless of your view. I'm sketchy about any kind of trendy scientific catchphrases pushed on the masses by failed politicians.



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I think so. The world is just too old. At one time Africa and South America were connected and the northern hemisphere was covered by ice and just 500 years ago people thought the world was flat
 
It's a croc of shite to me. The earth may be warming up - as it's all part of a cycle of warming and cooling that repeats every x thousands of years - but from the materials I've read, I'd say man's contribution to it is being grossly exaggerated for political / economical reasons.
 
Does everyone more or less agree that CO2 levels are directly proportional to global temperature?

Also, are anthropogenic contributions to global warming via greenhouse gasses really significantly greater than contributions from natural phenomena like solar variation? I keep hearing about the evil humans with polluting cars and coal plants, but what about solar radiation? Wouldn't that be a greater source of hydrothermodynamic changes with the melting ice sheets, rising sea levels and general thermal expansion?



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I'm a huge believer that it is overrated.
co2 does have a minor impact on global warming but the earth had it's last iceage 10,000 years ago give or take a couple 2000 years but it has a warming phase as well. I just don't think it has changed directions yet before we start going towards another iceage.
Tree clearing and large metro cities will exaggerate the heating effect though.

The tree huggers will disagree we are causing everything and you will never be able to change there side so it's something we will just have to live with.
 
musclemom said:
I go by what these guys say, I figure they're all smarter than me :qt:

What do you think of their credentials, Samoth?

http://www.ucsusa.org/ucs/about/board.html
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you're one of the most awesomest people, so don't this the wrong way, but when their is greed and a personal human agenda involved credentials don't really mean sweet FA. Al gore has stellar credentails too, but he's got alot to gain from all this polletical smorgish borge.

Samoth: I think it's highly overrated, and it's being used to help propel economies in certain places it is a new aspect of business and now people are making money off it. some of them are doing quiet well, I can't even hardly trust what the scientists say about this either.. the more they tote the world is fucked the more money and funding they get to go about their lives and passion.

It's to overly publized and I really hated Al gore's movie with suuuuch a passion it's disgusting, just a political look at me I'm awesome almost.. wow it's talking about Al gore and his farm.. wooooo.
 
FriendlyCanadian said:
Samoth: I think it's highly overrated, and it's being used to help propel economies in certain places it is a new aspect of business and now people are making money off it. some of them are doing quiet well, I can't even hardly trust what the scientists say about this either.. the more they tote the world is fucked the more money and funding they get to go about their lives and passion.

It's to overly publized and I really hated Al gore's movie with suuuuch a passion it's disgusting, just a political look at me I'm awesome almost.. wow it's talking about Al gore and his farm.. wooooo.
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Okay, I tend to think the same thing. But that idiot politician guy pushes "scientific data" and stuff (what's his move called... "An Inconvenient Truth" or something?), he's presenting what he wants to present to get his greedy political point across. So for those of you who think it's a crock or it's overrated, what evidence are you going on? (Besides the obvious distaste for trendy stuff suddenly being pushed as a worldwide crisis by questionable people.)

It truly seems that scientists around the globe do agree that global warming is real, and it is likely a problem to mankind. It's easy to find "evidence" and "proof" of global warming... but what data and facts are the anti-omg-global-warming-is-going-to-kill-us-all-by-next-year side going off of? I remember Redguru posting specific stuff... like the amount of CO2 produced by man is insignificant compared to natural causes of global variation and stuff.



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FriendlyCanadian said:
you're one of the most awesomest people, so don't this the wrong way, but when their is greed and a personal human agenda involved credentials don't really mean sweet FA. Al gore has stellar credentails too, but he's got alot to gain from all this polletical smorgish borge.

Samoth: I think it's highly overrated, and it's being used to help propel economies in certain places it is a new aspect of business and now people are making money off it. some of them are doing quiet well, I can't even hardly trust what the scientists say about this either.. the more they tote the world is fucked the more money and funding they get to go about their lives and passion.

It's to overly publized and I really hated Al gore's movie with suuuuch a passion it's disgusting, just a political look at me I'm awesome almost.. wow it's talking about Al gore and his farm.. wooooo.
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While I'm flattered at your opinion of me Friendly, and not in the least bit disturbed by opinions and debates carried out respectfully, I do want to point out I'm not a very smart person, nor am I very well educated. I try to choose the people whose opinions I listen to with great care, which is one of the reasons why I've always respected the opinion of the Union of Concerned Scientists. It's a not for profit organization of well educated people who are together for the sake of something they believe in.

I see global warming as pretty simple: As old as this planet is, machines have only been around the past 300 years or so. In that 300 years we've peaked out production on most of our fuel sources, burning them up in machines. The products of those burnings had to go somewhere, and that somewhere is up. That's just simple logic. The fact is, we're sort of dancing AROUND the really important issue: Could the earth be on a natural warming trend. Yes, yes it could.

Is this a problem? IT IS A MAJOR PROBLEM, no matter where the cause comes from. If the warming becomes severe enough global warming, continued melting of icecaps and glaciers is going to be a major problem for us, the citizens of planet earth, and anyone who wants to deny that is being that ostrich I talked about in another thread. I probably won't affect our generation, but if the trend continues as it is currently, humanity is going to be in big trouble.

It's not just warming air, it's warming oceans, it's desalination of oceans. This is an issue for us and for the future. This is not just drowning polar bears, this is the gulf stream stalling. It's just being observant and seeing that stuff in the environment is being altered. Did humanity cause it? Who cares? Did the combined destruction of the rainforests PLUS CO2 emissions throw off some critical balance or is the earth just that much closer to the sun, or is the sun getting bigger, does it really matter?

Our environment is changing. We need to deal with that, just like we need to deal with the fact that the resources on this planet are finite and we've been treating them like they weren't for far too long.

Samoth said:
Hmm... interesting. I'm looking at the papers they have. Are they published in journals, or just posted on the internet?.
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They have a pretty comprehensive web site, but as for what they publish, as in peer reviewed, can't tell you, don't know. Remember, I'm just a big dummy that works from home in a clerical job over here :qt:

I think they actually have a "contact us" tab on the site there, grill 'em. You can talk the talk.
 
samoth said:
I know Redguru feels this is a way overrated topic... who else agrees? What are some reasons that global warming fanatics are overlooking or ignoring? I don't know much about the topic, so post up here regardless of your view. I'm sketchy about any kind of trendy scientific catchphrases pushed on the masses by failed politicians.



:cow:
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There are a ton of problems with the entire global warming crowd. I could list a million things but I would waste by breath. For example, the ice at the North Pole is the lowest in decades but the ice in Antarctica is the thickest it has been in decades.

The true colors of this movement has been seen in the UK. The wacko liberals supporting this stuff want to have more "sin" takes on luxury goods (anything that uses electricity - no shit) and want to eliminate automobiles. It is just another ploy bu the communists and socialist pigs to try and cut back on the uneven distribution of wealth (IMO which should be uneven because people like me are smart and bust my ass for every dollar I EARN).

I can rant about this all night...

Probably the best person that has weighed in on this topic is Putin. He said he doesn't believe in global warming but if it is real he supports it 100% because it would open 90% of Siberia and make it more habitable and they could farm on it.
 
musclemom said:
I think they actually have a "contact us" tab on the site there, grill 'em. You can talk the talk.
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Oooohhh... personal correspondence from PhD's in the field... that would certainly help our paper.



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Really i dont know the ice caps are melting fast thats a fact.. Is it true that if the caps melt places will be under water.. That what i wonder.
 
I'm a global warming skeptic. I've seen how PC orthodoxy can skew research results in the social sciences, so why not in the hard sciences too? I tend to think of man's gasseous output, compared to the volume of the atmosphere, as pissing in Niagara Falls. It's a big, resilient world. And climate change is constant. We're only 10,000 years out from the last Ice Age.
 
Mr. dB said:
I'm a global warming skeptic. I've seen how PC orthodoxy can skew research results in the social sciences, so why not in the hard sciences too? I tend to think of man's gasseous output, compared to the volume of the atmosphere, as pissing in Niagara Falls. It's a big, resilient world. And climate change is constant. We're only 10,000 years out from the last Ice Age.
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Yeah, that's totally my line of thinking. And what about the little ice age during the medieval period? We're not very far removed at all.

The whole argument of using only a few hundred years of data when the earth is millions of years old is my biggest issue with buying into the global warming people.



:cow:
 
I also think that "whatever will be...will be". Maybe our time is here. Maybe our time is over. Maybe Iraq doesn't deserve democracy. Maybe soldier do have to die. Maybe this global warming is full of shit. Maybe Frisky will post up boobie shots.
 
do i think we need to make changes??? yes... but like it was said before the earth is billions of years old. all we are doing is using up all the natural resources at an alarming rate if we continue to depend on it. with technology we can surely come up alternatives that are affordable. the only reason im not so much for a quick change is when you change one thing it disrupts something else and we as people cant handle change at a rapid rate. just by looking at my parents generation and the inability to grasp technology you can see first hand that they fear change. my dad didn't get a computer till 2 years ago. now hes addicted to online games. oh and i should also mention he just recently got him and my mom cell phones.

my point is people are predictable. you can change one thing and expect everyone to comply. it will take years and years before we ween the country off fossil fuels
 
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