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georgie24

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you are chock full of knowledge bud, where in tha blue hell did ya come from? where you sent by someone?

i read some of your posts and ive come to the coclusion your a bad ass mofo when it comes to knowledge..




p.s i respect knowledge , my dad is the same way but he is more sociologicly and politiclaly inclined
 
georgie24 said:
you are chock full of knowledge bud, where in tha blue hell did ya come from? where you sent by someone?
i read some of your posts and ive come to the coclusion your a bad ass mofo when it comes to knowledge..
p.s i respect knowledge , my dad is the same way but he is more sociologicly and politiclaly inclined
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You should buy his book then.
 
He is mature man with plenty of knowledge and common sence. He knows exactly what to do to get his posts noticed (as any good writer should) and sits back and laugh at all the people getting all upset over nothing. We need more members like him.
 
gwl9dta4 - this dude sounds like hes got a little crush on nelson, lets hope not
 
Nelson is no-holds barred! Tells it as it is (or the way he sees it) I dont think he "gets off" on his info, but if you had 1/2 his info I would be happy for you to post it!

I dont always agree with him, but that doesnt mean he doesnt know his shit!
 
DaddyX said:
gwl9dta4 - this dude sounds like hes got a little crush on nelson, lets hope not
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Fuck!! No matter how hard i try to hide it, someone always picks up on this shit.

Seriousley dude, i just give the man his respect. Read some of his posts and judge for yourself.
 
You asked for it. But I'm feeling a little surly today.

It isn't good form to speak about oneself, so I'll just present an opinion of some of the members of Elite who have issues with Nelson.

Nelson Montana is a guy with terrible genetics who as a 37 year old adult put on 25 pounds of muscle, drug free, with methods that he developed. And he also managed to add an additional 25 pounds with anabolics which he kept many years after his last cycle. Yet he can't know very much about training because he still isn't over 250 pounds.

Nelson is someone who has been involved in bodybuilding since seeing Arnold Swartzenegger at the Academy of Music in 1969, but he has little perspective of the sport.

Nelson is the author of "Steroids For Health" which gained acclaim as a revolutionary concept for the safe use of anabolics. The concepts were praised by men such as Dan Duchaine, yet they fail to impress some Elite members because they take far greater doses, so therefore they know more.

Nelson Montana is someone who has written over 300 articles. For some strange reason he has been able to fool all the editors of national magazines into publishing them.

Nelson has written ad copy, studied advertising and worked for a supplement company for 2 years yet he has no clue as to what he's talking about when it comes to supplements or supplement hype.

Nelson has the endorsement of men like Dave Draper and Eric Serrano and Dennis Weis, but that is meaningless because Bulldog needs more proof.

Nelson has helped hundreds of people obtain their goals when alll else failed. Unfortunately, all of those people will have to keep their gains up because some people who never read his book insist that those methods can't possibly work.

Nelson is a guy who prefers a healthy aesthetic body to that of a bloated lump so he can't be really hardcore.

Nelson believes that bodybuilding should be the betterment of oneself and not the quest to simply take up more space, so he must be a wuss.

Nelson is a guy who loves to learn, debate, and discuss, many things, including bodybuildng and appreciates the chance to share his thoughts and contrarian views with the members of this board.


And if I piss a few people off along the way, that's okay too.
 
Damn!

Give it up, spartacus, cause you ain't halve as smart as the gufus on elite!
 
BAHAH!

Now go read the thread, 'Where do you get your info' in which somebody says they get 95% of their info of this board!

BAHAHAHA! Sure makes it an easy win for the rest of us!
 
Re: BAHAH!

idanimal said:
Now go read the thread, 'Where do you get your info' in which somebody says they get 95% of their info of this board!

BAHAHAHA! Sure makes it an easy win for the rest of us!
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Nelson is still much bigger than u fag
 
excellent self promoter
controversial- sometime solely for the sake of being so
advocate of the "old school" methodology (at least the public version)
entertaining
though some of his theories, yes theories- they are theories.. not facts, may be just a bit off base

JMHO
even when he is, "off base", at least it does get the conversation going :p
 
A good guy who

-adds a unique and controversial perspective to the board,
- who also has unique ideas and 'insider' knowledge, and
- who concerns me when giving advice at times becuase I often get the impression it is advice meant to be different than the grain, not necessarily correct
 
Am I the only one who thinks Nelson's amazing knowledge is a little over hyped? This is nothing personal. I do enjoy a lot of Nelson's posts, and some I don't enjoy. It just seems like Nelson is a lot like me in a lot of ways (in other words, a pretty normal guy).

I started training again two years ago and weighed 145lbs. Now I weigh 175 at roughly the same fat% (around 10-12) and continue to gain. Of course, I'm all natural.

I'm also a writer- I publish a newsletter on bodybuilding. I also think my methods are great. But that's where the differences begin. I'm not a genius at marketing. And that's where Nelson seems to be at his best.

What I'm saying is this: Be objective about this stuff people. No one person can possibly know all there is to know. And, from what I've seen, Nelson seems like an average "expert" of the type that we have at least 5 or 6 of on this very board.-- Knowledgeable bros that each have their own specialty.

Nelson provides a personality to identify with, entertainment, and controversy. And, for me, it's all a little hard to swallow at times. My advice (for any person with similar thinking) is sit back, take what you like and have a good chuckle when things start getting a little crazy.

Later,

Jacob "I wish more people would listen to me as if I were a guru" M. ----I admit it, I'm jealous
 
Everyone to their own opinion. But i believe that if you aint done it, you cant tell others how to either. Now i dont listen to people under 200lbs when theyre talking about getting big, cos they simply are small, and if they did have all the answers they probably wouldnt be under 200lbs.
I'll stick to the advice from the pros
No disrespect nelson, you are highly knowledged, but perhaps a little inexperienced. And i dont believe in genetics, Big Doz suppossedly had poor genetics. He won the Mr O 7 times.
Bro
 
gwl9dta4 - sorry, i forgot to put j/k, i agree with what u said. i didnt know he wa so small tho, doesnt matter if u know your shit still tho i guess - goodjob nelson
 
nelson is a guy who has put his time in and found what works best for him. How did he make his gains? He found what worked best for him, will it be the best for me, no. Does he understand that? possibly.

Who is Nelson Montana, a good writer who knows a good amount, and as Dial stated, a man who is trying to rid the world of cardio. :)
 
brotheriron said:
Everyone to their own opinion. But i believe that if you aint done it, you cant tell others how to either.
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So you are saying that gymnast coach shouldnt be teaching since he could never do a triple somesault flip twist thingy? Or the football coach who was never A 300lbs linebacker cant coach? You dont have to "DO" to be more knowlegable.


Now i dont listen to people under 200lbs when theyre talking about getting big, cos they simply are small, and if they did have all the answers they probably wouldnt be under 200lbs.
I'll stick to the advice from the pros
No disrespect nelson, you are highly knowledged, but perhaps a little inexperienced. And i dont believe in genetics, Big Doz suppossedly had poor genetics. He won the Mr O 7 times.
Bro [/B]
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your idea about poundage is very close minded. You are saying that people under 200lbs, no matter how big they have gotten have nothing to contribute to you? I guess all the body builders under 200lbs know a hell of alot less than you?

No offense but you sound very young and close minded. There will ALWAYS be someone bigger, better, smarter, faster, and more knowlegable than you are. What their weight is has no relevance.
 
quote: "There will ALWAYS be someone bigger, better, smarter, faster, and more knowlegable than you are. What their weight is has no relevance."

If gear grew muscle the way it grows ego's, we would all weigh 350 lbs!
 
buckjoey said:
quote: "There will ALWAYS be someone bigger, better, smarter, faster, and more knowlegable than you are. What their weight is has no relevance."

If gear grew muscle the way it grows ego's, we would all weigh 350 lbs!
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I am in no way shape or form saying I am bigger, better, smarter, faster, and more knowlegable than ANYONE, but there is always SOMEONE!
 
Am I the only one who thinks Nelson's amazing knowledge is a little over hyped? This is nothing personal. I do enjoy a lot of Nelson's posts, and some I don't enjoy. It just seems like Nelson is a lot like me in a lot of ways (in other words, a pretty normal guy).

I started training again two years ago and weighed 145lbs. Now I weigh 175 at roughly the same fat% (around 10-12) and continue to gain. Of course, I'm all natural.

I'm also a writer- I publish a newsletter on bodybuilding. I also think my methods are great. But that's where the differences begin. I'm not a genius at marketing. And that's where Nelson seems to be at his best.

What I'm saying is this: Be objective about this stuff people. No one person can possibly know all there is to know. And, from what I've seen, Nelson seems like an average "expert" of the type that we have at least 5 or 6 of on this very board.-- Knowledgeable bros that each have their own specialty.

Nelson provides a personality to identify with, entertainment, and controversy. And, for me, it's all a little hard to swallow at times. My advice (for any person with similar thinking) is sit back, take what you like and have a good chuckle when things start getting a little crazy.

Later,

Jacob "I wish more people would listen to me as if I were a guru" M. ----I admit it, I'm jealous



Good post my man, I've also seen a copy of your news letter, I liked it:)
 
pretty interesting that he states he eats whatever he wants and maintains a low bf% without cardio and yet he says he his genetics are nothing special...that to me is special genetics ....there are not many people who are happy with their physique and eat whatever they....god knows i want a big fuckin cheese calzone right now but cant have it if i want to look in shape!
 
"Mullethead?" I guess I deserve that. But cut me some slack bro. It was 1989. What kind of doo were you sprouting back then? :) The "About Nelson" file has a recent pic.

Anyone who thinks that size equates to knowledge is simply confused and has some maturing to do. Hey, I've been over 200 pounds and frankly, I don't like it. I look better and feel better at a lighter weight.
Any moron can tell you to take 4 A-bombs a day and you'll grow. That's not what I do.

I may not look like a pro, but at least I walk the walk. I went from a soft scrawny runt to becoming a body model in my 40's. I've seen a lot of "experts" (especially diet gurus) who were much younger who look like day old dog shit on stale bread.
 
i agree with you nelson...too many people around that pop 4 drols and 1500mg test weekly and to boot gotta bridge with dbol?!?!?! and just take up a bunch of bloated space.... what happened to the mentzer physique in todays sport of BB
 
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You asked for it. But I'm feeling a little surly today.

It isn't good form to speak about oneself, so I'll just present an opinion of some of the members of Elite who have issues with Nelson.

Nelson Montana is a guy with terrible genetics who as a 37 year old adult put on 25 pounds of muscle, drug free, with methods that he developed. And he also managed to add an additional 25 pounds with anabolics which he kept many years after his last cycle. Yet he can't know very much about training because he still isn't over 250 pounds.

Nelson is someone who has been involved in bodybuilding since seeing Arnold Swartzenegger at the Academy of Music in 1969, but he has little perspective of the sport.

Nelson is the author of "Steroids For Health" which gained acclaim as a revolutionary concept for the safe use of anabolics. The concepts were praised by men such as Dan Duchaine, yet they fail to impress some Elite members because they take far greater doses, so therefore they know more.

Nelson Montana is someone who has written over 300 articles. For some strange reason he has been able to fool all the editors of national magazines into publishing them.

Nelson has written ad copy, studied advertising and worked for a supplement company for 2 years yet he has no clue as to what he's talking about when it comes to supplements or supplement hype.

Nelson has the endorsement of men like Dave Draper and Eric Serrano and Dennis Weis, but that is meaningless because Bulldog needs more proof.

Nelson has helped hundreds of people obtain their goals when alll else failed. Unfortunately, all of those people will have to keep their gains up because some people who never read his book insist that those methods can't possibly work.

Nelson is a guy who prefers a healthy aesthetic body to that of a bloated lump so he can't be really hardcore.

Nelson believes that bodybuilding should be the betterment of oneself and not the quest to simply take up more space, so he must be a wuss.

Nelson is a guy who loves to learn, debate, and discuss, many things, including bodybuildng and appreciates the chance to share his thoughts and contrarian views with the members of this board.


And if I piss a few people off along the way, that's okay too.


__________________


Nelson what did you weigh when you started bodybuilding? From recent pics that I've seen of you, you only go about a buck-fifty now. I'm unsure why you posted your resume, are you looking for work? It must be a bitch to be unemployed at times such as these. Even Mickey D is cutting jobs. Well good luck in your quest for employment. Give Manpower a shot.:)
 
Question ,who would really be big if Steroids were'nt invented ?? I'll bet half the people here would be tring to get over 150# or 200# with out them ,having low body fat too. Think about it!
 
Montana is simply a guy that managed to network himself a name. He takes known training concepts and puts them on this site claiming they are some brilliant epiphany of his own. That makes him a fraud.

He has an average level of knowledge in this sport. The only thing he is good at is writing. With this writing skill, he takes his average knowledge and creates the illusion that he is an innovator with all sorts of profound information. Bullshit.

Nelson is just another member of the boards who has, by sparking some controversy, managed to develop a reputation.

Nelson claims to have been friends with the great Dan Duchaine....
The only time he ever met Dan Duchaine, they sat awkwardly at a lunch forced upon Mr Duchaine and talked about COMIC BOOKS because Mr Duchaine immediately recognized Montana as having an inadequate amount of knowledge to talk about training. He knew Nelson was a joke.

The people I know within the industry who have heard of Montana think of him as simply..... "another schmuck who has managed to write some crap for some magazines"....nothing more.

I cannot believe that some people are naive enough to still hold Montana up to the level which he places himself. Open your damn eyes.:rolleyes:


S'mores Pop-Tarts are the best!
 
For all those who believe weight is irrelevant, you go listen to the 180lbs footballers.If a guy competes at 200, then hes quite a good physique. But the guys spending the off season at under 200, (those on gear) aint got a good competing physique.

If you guys are sat there trying to tell me im young your right im 22. But ive come a lot further than most of you. I know what works. Im 270lbs, at between 10 and 12%BF.

And yeah, im confident any bodybuilder less than 200lbs does know less than me. Well, thats if they have trained for over three years, because thats all it took me
Bro
 
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Montana is simply a guy that managed to network himself a name. He takes known training concepts and puts them on this site claiming they are some brilliant epiphany of his own. That makes him a fraud.

He has an average level of knowledge in this sport. The only thing he is good at is writing. With this writing skill, he takes his average knowledge and creates the illusion that he is an innovator with all sorts of profound information. Bullshit.

Nelson is just another member of the boards who has, by sparking some controversy, managed to develop a reputation.

Nelson claims to have been friends with the great Dan Duchaine....
The only time he ever met Dan Duchaine, they sat awkwardly at a lunch forced upon Mr Duchaine and talked about COMIC BOOKS because Mr Duchaine immediately recognized Montana as having an inadequate amount of knowledge to talk about training. He knew Nelson was a joke.

I cannot believe that some people are naive enough to still hold Montana up to the level which he places himself. Open your damn eyes.


S'mores Pop-Tarts are the best!


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I agree 100%, interresting point that you stated about Nelson's meeting with Dan Duchaine, because in another thread he claims that Duchaine praised him. As well as Dave Draper and a host of other notables.
 
brotheriron said:
Everyone to their own opinion. But i believe that if you aint done it, you cant tell others how to either. Now i dont listen to people under 200lbs when theyre talking about getting big, cos they simply are small, and if they did have all the answers they probably wouldnt be under 200lbs.
I'll stick to the advice from the pros
No disrespect nelson, you are highly knowledged, but perhaps a little inexperienced. And i dont believe in genetics, Big Doz suppossedly had poor genetics. He won the Mr O 7 times.
Bro
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Nelson already said he isn't about 'getting big' as you put it, he is more into the look that he has acheived for himself.

To each his own for sure... I can tell you that I am also not after the overdeveloped look I am after a healthy look. More women prefer the Men's Health look to Ronnie Coleman... if you beleive differently you are just fooling yourself.
 
Fair point, but how can someone who isnt about getting big tell others the right way to do this??
I dont play football, but then i dont tell david beckham how to take a free kick! (for the uk members)
Bro
 
Originally posted by brotheriron
Everyone to their own opinion. But i believe that if you aint done it, you cant tell others how to either. Now i dont listen to people under 200lbs when theyre talking about getting big, cos they simply are small, and if they did have all the answers they probably wouldnt be under 200lbs.
I'll stick to the advice from the pros
No disrespect nelson, you are highly knowledged, but perhaps a little inexperienced. And i dont believe in genetics, Big Doz suppossedly had poor genetics. He won the Mr O 7 times.
Bro
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Bro tell that to Franco Columbu, the biggest little man that this sport has ever known, and strong as a team of oxen. If your limited by genetics you can only get so big, myself I would rather weigh under 200 pounds and look and feel good than weigh 280 and be sloppy.:)
 
Yeah, who'd want to be 280 and sloppy?
Me! cos id be 250 and shredded in 12 weeks!!

Take a look at the Mr O winners over the past 15-20yrs, then count the ones that weighed in under 200. Not many.
Now i aint Mr O, and never will be. But the closer i get to being like those who were, the faster i shall travel.
Bro
 
brotheriron said:
Fair point, but how can someone who isnt about getting big tell others the right way to do this??
I dont play football, but then i dont tell david beckham how to take a free kick! (for the uk members)
Bro
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I don't think Nelson claims to be telling others the right way to get big. I think Nelson is trying to make a living at helping others acheive their goals through training and anabolics SAFELY... I don't think 'getting huge' can be on that agenda because for the most part ... what the pros do assumes to much risk for the average person....
 
I may not look like a pro, but at least I walk the walk. I went from a soft scrawny runt to becoming a body model in my 40's. I've seen a lot of "experts" (especially diet gurus) who were much younger who look like day old dog shit on stale bread. [/B][/QUOTE]


Interesting.

Day old dog shit on stale bread.
 
Oh, you want to get BIG?! Why didn't you say so!?

Here's what you do:

Work out three times a week for one hour each.

Eat 4000 calories a day.

Take 2000mgs of test a week along with 100 mgs of d-bol a day. Be sure to add indiscriminate amounts of insulin.

I GUARANTEE you will grow.

Didn't know I was so knowledgable, did you?
Thaibox: I had no idea you were privey to all the conversations I had with Dan. And you were at the resturant were we met too? I'll be danged. I'm curious of the people in the indstry that you're buddies with. If it's PA and LMcD, yes it's true, they hate me with good reason. I tell the truth.

No, Dan and I weren't best friends. We were just getting to know each other shortly before he passed. That's why he called me when he was in NY to hook up. Or maybe it was to tell me I'm a fool who doesn't know anything about training. I can't remember.

And yes, the endorsements from Dave Draper and Dennis Weis and Dr. Eric Serrano and Rick Collins are all fraudulant.

Geez, It's one thing not to like my work but these potshots are downright lame.
 
liftsiron said:


Good post my man, I've also seen a copy of your news letter, I liked it:)
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Thanks dude. I appreciate that.

Honestly, I think there's room for a lot of different view points, Nelson's included. I just can't really go along with the extreme hype because I'd like to see all people with intelligent ideas be heard. And, during bouts of controversy, a lot of those intelligent opinions get overlooked.


Jacob
 
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