Who here has used NPP?

[Nighthawkk]

Has anyone used short-acting deca with decent results? I would like to finally try it, but I'm weary because I've had issues with deca gyno and deca dick in the past (though I have a large supply of Dostinex on hand now). Also, what sort of dosing schedule do you follow and how quickly do you see results compared to the decanoate? thanks

 

[black sheep]

I used it.. Liked tren better.

 

[Juiced]

I have done many cycles of NPP and I do like the results, although dont forget you will get the same results as you would using deca as the ester does not change the effects of the drug, or in other words the end results is still the same, I do like NPP better becuase you see results a bit faster and if you do get side effects like deca dick you can stop your cycle and be back to normal in a week rather than 3-5 weeks it would deca ND to get out of your system. The shorter the ester the more peak blood levels you will have, I would suggest 3-4 injects per week at a dose no higher than 500mg per week, I always run mine at 300mg wk and have solid results and minimal sides....Good luck brother..

 

[Nighthawkk]

I have done many cycles of NPP and I do like the results, although dont forget you will get the same results as you would using deca as the ester does not change the effects of the drug, or in other words the end results is still the same, I do like NPP better becuase you see results a bit faster and if you do get side effects like deca dick you can stop your cycle and be back to normal in a week rather than 3-5 weeks it would deca ND to get out of your system. The shorter the ester the more peak blood levels you will have, I would suggest 3-4 injects per week at a dose no higher than 500mg per week, I always run mine at 300mg wk and have solid results and minimal sides....Good luck brother..

Yea thats a good point you make about it leaving the system quicker. That was my reason for using tren ace, and when gyno came on rather fast I was able to just stop it and run dostinex. Since I haven't come off the dostinex and don't plan to yet, I'm not as worried about progestagenic sides if I run deca again. Can you run NPP for a shorter period than regular deca, say 6 weeks as opposed to 12?

 

[bigmouth2006]

how long does npp stay in your system as far as drug testing? the same as regular deca or what?

 

[Nighthawkk]

how long does npp stay in your system as far as drug testing? the same as regular deca or what?

It's still a nandrolone as far as I know, just the phenylpropionate ester is different. Half-life is much less but I'm guessing detection time would remain the same, but I could be wrong.

 

[black sheep]

detection will be the same.. the parent drug is the same.

 

[steelmass]

Does NPP bloat? And if so, would Aromasin be sufficient?

BTW - detection time is 12 months. Test suspension is weeks, while Test cypionate is months. It is not only due to, "the parent drug" but the ester as well.

 

[Nighthawkk]

Does NPP bloat? And if so, would Aromasin be sufficient?

BTW - detection time is 12 months. Test suspension is weeks, while Test cypionate is months. It is not only due to, "the parent drug" but the ester as well.

From what I've been reading it's supposed to cause less bloat than regular deca. I still would love to hear some experiences from guys that have used it, esepcially those that have had either bloat, gyno, pct issues, or deca dick from long-acting deca.

 

[bbkingpin]

It is a great substance. I highly recommend it.

 

[fcfmuaythai]

I also recommend it. I get the benefits of deca (lubed up joints) without the deca dick and bloat. I use it for 6-8 weeks right along with test prop.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

Never tried it, but probably never will.. Never was a fan of any kind of deca..

 

[Ulter]

It's a rockin good time. I love NPP. I can't say I like it better than tren but it's a close second.

 

[Retabolil2]

It's a rockin good time. I love NPP. I can't say I like it better than tren but it's a close second.

Ulter is a big fan of NPP Replies to every damn thread regarding NPP How about combining it with tren and anadrol for tits?

 

[flex229]

bro,

please be sure you have some dostinex on hand before using NPP.

it's great for your muscles,,but the shit gave me some bad gyno and limp-dick...

be warned.

 

[Ulter]

Ulter is a big fan of NPP Replies to every damn thread regarding NPP How about combining it with tren and anadrol for tits?

I use deca every day of my life and tren at will. I don't have a progestin problem. Usually it's the men who are half female to begin with, like the Russians, who have that problem.

 

[Juiced]

Yes you can run a much shorter cycle with NPP than with regular ND, I would run it no less than 6 weeks but personally a nice 8 week cycle on NPP would be perfect IMO. The dectection time is the same, 18 months for deca is it actually stores in fat cells and can come out for as long as 18 months, fuck thats a long time. Now with bloat your going to pretty much see the same effects as you would on ND as the ester will never change the outcome of the cycle, only the time it takes to show effects. Now you may be able to keep more bloat off with NPP as the dose will be much lower compared to NDs 600-900mg per week rather than 300mg per week with NPP. NPP binds to the AR almost better than any other aas there is, and you are going to have to have a heavy pct using NPP as all 19 nor aas really shut your balls down big time, I was reading that it takes about 5 250mg shots of test to shut down your body, while it only takes on injection of 50mg of deca to shut you down......

 

[cubuff27]

Has anyone used short-acting deca with decent results? I would like to finally try it, but I'm weary because I've had issues with deca gyno and deca dick in the past (though I have a large supply of Dostinex on hand now). Also, what sort of dosing schedule do you follow and how quickly do you see results compared to the decanoate? thanks

I used it in my last cycle and it is the first time I have ever had nipple soreness. I used NPP 400mg/week cycled with 600mg Test/week and 75mg of dbol a day. Have used that cycle numerous time before with deca and no problem...but with NPP I got bad nipple soreness.

 

[Retabolil2]

I use deca every day of my life and tren at will. I don't have a progestin problem. Usually it's the men who are half female to begin with, like the Russians, who have that problem.

You`re lucky I guess You americans still believe it was you who defeated Adolf Hitler in the 3rd world war?

 

[Ulter]

That's mainly because our history books weren't written under the direct supervision of our government officials. The authors came from many countries and a wide variety of backgrounds. And they weren't jailed for writing something that wasn't approved by the party.

 

[steelmass]

You`re lucky I guess You americans still believe it was you who defeated Adolf Hitler in the 3rd world war?

Well first of all its Worls War II, not III. Secondly, i don't think it was the russians that stormed the beaches of normandy, killed over 400,000 German-Allied troops, proceeded to Germany, stormed hitlers headquarters only to find that he had committed suicide. Ya definitely the Americans.

 

[dosteov]

Well first of all its Worls War II, not III. Secondly, i don't think it was the russians that stormed the beaches of normandy, killed over 400,000 German-Allied troops, proceeded to Germany, stormed hitlers headquarters only to find that he had committed suicide. Ya definitely the Americans.

It was actually the Russians that took Berlin and were the first in Hitler's bunker, the Germans also suffered over 4 milion casualties on the Eastern front.

 

[OMEGA]

Ulter is a big fan of NPP Replies to every damn thread

I noticed this as well

 

[Ulter]

Let's get this straight. Russians were first in. AFTER two years of relentless bombing raids by the British and Americans. Stalin gave up 70,000 men to take Berlin. He would not have been successful if the city was not already in ruins.
To say that either side won the war is ridiculous. The difference is that in America we know this, in Russia they still believe Stalin's history books.

 

[bigmouth2006]

come on guys be nice

 

[Ulter]

I'm being nice. You see my wife grew up under soviet occupation. So I've seen Russian history books written as late as 1986 that make no mention of the role other countries in the defeat of Hitler. According to Stalin's history books America wasn't involved. And I kid Ret.

 

[Retabolil2]

Let's get this straight. Russians were first in. AFTER two years of relentless bombing raids by the British and Americans. Stalin gave up 70,000 men to take Berlin. He would not have been successful if the city was not already in ruins.
To say that either side won the war is ridiculous. The difference is that in America we know this, in Russia they still believe Stalin's history books.

I agree with you Ulter and trust me, now we know what price russian nation paid to be the first in.
And sure I didnt take any offennse over your jokes I love NPP too
BTW here in Russia most people consider Iraq to be occupated by americans. You aren`t serious with all the democracy there, arent you?
Too bad we arent that strong as we used to be back in 60`s, there were some kind of a balance in earth.

 

[OMEGA]

Too bad we arent that strong as we used to be back in 60`s, there were some kind of a balance in earth.

Russian will rise again

 

[bbkingpin]

You`re lucky I guess You americans still believe it was you who defeated Adolf Hitler in the 3rd world war?

It wasn't the Russians all by themselves, that's for sure. A lot of people think Hitler defeated himself. After all, the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler and would have been happy to let him conquer Western Europe if he had not attacked the Soviet Union in violation of your treaty. So, you had to fight him after he turned on you. Those American guns, tanks and ammunition helped quite a but too. The next conference in Tehran might be Russia, USA, and Great Britain all over again.

Whose side are you on? Ours or Iran?

 

[AKA PHARMS]

we know who didn,t defeat hitler!

 

[Indy]

Has anyone used short-acting deca with decent results? I would like to finally try it, but I'm weary because I've had issues with deca gyno and deca dick in the past (though I have a large supply of Dostinex on hand now). Also, what sort of dosing schedule do you follow and how quickly do you see results compared to the decanoate? thanks

I quit using DECA because it seemed like each cycle, I became more prone to gyno and limp dick. Invested in some NPP and NO SIDES at all, great compound.

 

[Retabolil2]

It wasn't the Russians all by themselves, that's for sure. A lot of people think Hitler defeated himself. After all, the Soviet Union signed a non-aggression pact with Hitler and would have been happy to let him conquer Western Europe if he had not attacked the Soviet Union in violation of your treaty. So, you had to fight him after he turned on you. Those American guns, tanks and ammunition helped quite a but too. The next conference in Tehran might be Russia, USA, and Great Britain all over again.

Whose side are you on? Ours or Iran?

Ha! western europe! They hate us as we are too strong for them, no matter what They kiss your american asses all over and you guys like it Instead of Soviet Union we now have a union of Russia and Belorus but Europe bitch alot about Belorus president They didnt bitch about Ukraine president and consider him pure democracy while Ukraine, place where I was born turned into very poor country! it is much better in Belorus thanks to their president and most of the nation vouches for him so I`d say those euro boys are a bunch of faggots too, well if they will continue to bitch I swear next few years they will have to buy oils and gas somewhere else or at double hugher price!

 

[Retabolil2]

Whose side are you on? Ours or Iran?

Well.... As long as you need steroids... We are at your side! LOL

 

[Prizz]

Wow, considering I'm an EX history major, and a HUGE WW2 buff, I dont know what to respond to...... The NPP talk, or the WW2 stuff..... I guess I can do both......

I am one that swore off Deca for life after using it only 3 times in the past..... I just seemed to have many sides from it, and the gains were minimal at best..... However, since NPP has been around, I wanna give it a try in a Test/NPP/Dbol stack..... Do you guys think Femera would be sufficient at keeping the bloat down in a stack like that? Also, how long of a PCT would you guys run? How much HCG and for how long? Sorry for the Newbie questions, but I haven't used a Nandro compound in over 10yrs.... I'm a little fuzzy on the details....

As for the WW2 talk..... I know the US was a huge part of that war..... However, I don't think we can ever come close to understanding how intense and scarey Hitler's War machine was...... We sat comfortably across an ocean, while Russia and England got Bombed and invaded..... Ok, Pearl Harbor was bombed, and it was a tragedy, but think about what the Russians went through on a daily basis..... Think about waking up to shells landing outside your house, and Nazi soliders shooting into your city, killing your neighbors, raping the women, burning down houses and stores..... Food is suddenly gone, shelter is an issue..... Where do you run to? What do you do? It's fucking crazy, and they did what they had to do to survive...... And survive they did..... Ok, Stalin was as Ruthless and Murderous as Hitler was..... However, it's not hard to understand why when you take the whole equation into account..... That was a War for survival of their Homeland, not a war that will boost the economy, and sway popular opinion like most of the US wars were in recent history...... So I guess I'm saying that the US was a big part of the war, and a big part of why the Allies won..... Sure many American Families were affected, shit my uncle stormed Normandy on D day..... However, I don't think we sacrificed like the English or Russians had to, nor did we understand the Fear and Reality of losing our country like those Nations did..... I got Mad respect for the English and Russians, and always will..... Ok, the Russians wrote their History books the way Stalin wanted them written, but do you think our Gov't doesn't slant things? Maybe our violence and oppression isn't as obvious as Stalin's was, but it's there without a doubt..... Since the time of Teddy Roosevelt, the US has been MAJORLY Imperialistic in the world..... Maybe we are bit less brutal, and our motives seem more justified and fair, but not to the rest of the world..... Ok, sorry for the rant.... DONE...

rizz

 

[Retabolil2]

However, I don't think we can ever come close to understanding how intense and scarey Hitler's War machine was...... We sat comfortably across an ocean, while Russia and England got Bombed and invaded..... Ok, Pearl Harbor was bombed, and it was a tragedy, but think about what the Russians went through on a daily basis..... Think about waking up to shells landing outside your house, and Nazi soliders shooting into your city, killing your neighbors, raping the women, burning down houses and stores..... Food is suddenly gone, shelter is an issue..... Where do you run to? What do you do? It's fucking crazy, and they did what they had to do to survive...... And survive they did..... Ok, Stalin was as Ruthless and Murderous as Hitler was..... However, it's not hard to understand why when you take the whole equation into account..... That was a War for survival of their Homeland, not a war that will boost the economy, and sway popular opinion like most of the US wars were in recent history...... So I guess I'm saying that the US was a big part of the war, and a big part of why the Allies won..... Sure many American Families were affected, shit my uncle stormed Normandy on D day..... However, I don't think we sacrificed like the English or Russians had to, nor did we understand the Fear and Reality of losing our country like those Nations did..... I got Mad respect for the English and Russians, and always will..... Ok, the Russians wrote their History books the way Stalin wanted them written, but do you think our Gov't doesn't slant things? Maybe our violence and oppression isn't as obvious as Stalin's was, but it's there without a doubt..... Since the time of Teddy Roosevelt, the US has been MAJORLY Imperialistic in the world..... Maybe we are bit less brutal, and our motives seem more justified and fair, but not to the rest of the world..... Ok, sorry for the rant.... DONE...

rizz

I totally agree with you.

 

[bbkingpin]

Well.... As long as you need steroids... We are at your side! LOL

Don't tell me you'd side with the Persians after all the good times we've had.
Americans aren't fond of Western Europeans very much ... especially French.
But we still have to look out for the mother country ... Ireland.

 

[bbkingpin]

I totally agree with you.

I don't think anyone has ever dissed the Russians on here. We all know what the Nazis did to Europe. We were mostly joking, I think. But to get serious, most American movies outrightly protray the huge sacrifice the Soviet Union made to the defeat of Hitler. ("Nuremburg" "Enemy at the Gate") My first response was that Hitler defeated himself by taking on the Russians when he should've been content with western Europe. Just like the Japs who bombed Pearl Harbor "awoke a sleeping giant." And, while the British did undergo the bombing of London and the bulldog determination of the Brits and Winston Churchill is stuff of legend, they did not undergo a land invasion like what Russia saw on the Eastern Front. But all stroking aside, the USA suffered the same carnage in the civil war where each man killed was ultimately an American casualty. And the US Civil War, many say, was the first glimpse into mechanized warfare and the kind of carnage that was seen in the first World War as well as the second. The joke is that Russia is the victor or the USA is the victor. The truth is the human spirit is just as strong on either side. Both sides have cowards, both sides have heroes. The real problem we face today is the beginning of what could be the third World War and unless you folks are only interested in NPP, there are some very serious threats in the world -- in the middle east and Iran.

 

[OMEGA]

if it was not for Russia we would have not won WW2

 

[bbkingpin]

if it was not for Russia we would have not won WW2

They could not have won it without us. So take away either player from the equation and you do not have victory. And who is we? The only ones who won were the occupied people who were later liberated. Britian was never invaded, USA was never invaded, so neither was forced to defend the way Russia was when the Germans invaded Russia. So, while the Russians had no choice but to fight for their lives, the Americans and Brits risked their lives by storming the beaches in Normandy and dropping paratroopers behind enemy lines, when they did not have to in the same sense that the Russians did. And the Russians were complicit in the Nazi devastation of Western Europe and signed a treaty with Hitler. They carved up Poland together -- for crying out loud! It was only after Hitler broke the treaty and invaded Russia that the Russians became Hitler's enemy. The Russian and USA alliance during WW2 was only one of convenience.

Hopefully, that has all changed now that we see what a good bro Ret is, and vice-versa. Instead of Poland, we can carve up some other nation between us.