White lies, OK?

[toga22]

Lying, when is it acceptable, if ever? And when should it be forgiven?

I found out today that a good friend lied to me...straight to my face lied to me. No, this is nothing new....and it was not a giant life changing lie either, but it hurt just the same.

So, Elite...when is it Ok to lie, and how much should one person accept?

~toga

 

[Rebelrocker]

Everyone should accept the truth so that nobody needs to lie.

 

[big4life]

A lie to keep from hurting someone's feeling's like...

How do you like something? That's acceptable, although I still think you should be able to tell the truth without hurting someone.

A lie to deceive someone. That's not. One lie will lead to many lies, just trying to cover the first lie.

 

[manny78]

Lying, when is it acceptable, if ever? And when should it be forgiven?

I found out today that a good friend lied to me...straight to my face lied to me. No, this is nothing new....and it was not a giant life changing lie either, but it hurt just the same.

So, Elite...when is it Ok to lie, and how much should one person accept?

~toga

well its hard to say everyone is different, but some lies are necessary in order to preserve good relationship with friends especially if they aren't open minded. Now tell us some details about what happened with your friend.

 

[Warik]

Lying is never acceptable.

Yes, I have lied before, and I will continue to lie for the rest of my life, but I do recognize the fact that it is not acceptable. It's so easy to lie because it's less painful than telling the truth.

When should it be forgiven? It really depends on the lie. My policy on that is if you CAN forgive, then you should. There are some things about which I could be lied to that I could never forgive, but for those that I can forgive, I will - eventually.

-Warik

 

[MommaKin]

It's not OK to lie.
But, then again, under certain circumstances, I think it's ok.
Toga, the reason your friend lied, you have to decide if it was justifiable and then decide if you're going to forgive...........
It's tough.....I'm an understanding person, overall, but, I cannot stomach to be lied to or be made a fool of.....I take things very seriously....if someone lies to me, it makes me feel betrayed, stupid, foolish......I could kill....then when I get over it, I've written that person of......I think that's why I don't many friends, but, the ones I do have, are the best........it may sound contradicitng that I'm understanding yet, I'm not very forgiving......well, that is who I am....



sorry for the rant

 

[Austin316]

Lying, when is it acceptable, if ever? And when should it be forgiven?

I found out today that a good friend lied to me...straight to my face lied to me. No, this is nothing new....and it was not a giant life changing lie either, but it hurt just the same.

So, Elite...when is it Ok to lie, and how much should one person accept?

~toga

Well we could always kill em jk, only lie if its to keep someone safe. Everyone lies though, and everyone will continue to do so, I just don't lie about the things that can hurt someone or have any importance. I dunno, maybe I just sound like a blundering idiot

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

A lie to keep from hurting someone's feeling's like...

How do you like something? That's acceptable, although I still think you should be able to tell the truth without hurting someone.

See, I disagree with this. If someone ask me a question, they better want to hear the truth. Otherwise they should not have asked the question. Say someone ask me if I like their haircut. If I think it looks like shit, well I am going to tell them that.

 

[djardin]

I lie when my wife ask's if I cleaned my office yet. I might get around to it tomorow

 

[spentagn]

See, I disagree with this. If someone ask me a question, they better want to hear the truth. Otherwise they should not have asked the question. Say someone ask me if I like their haircut. If I think it looks like shit, well I am going to tell them that.

Can I ask a question then? I'd like the truth? Who on EF do you dislike? This should be amusing

 

[Austin316]

I agree Bo, Im known for being brutaly honest. If you know what Im going to say, don't bother asking. I won't downright cut anyone down (like with the haircut) but Id say, I like your old one better

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

Can I ask a question then? I'd like the truth? Who on EF do you dislike? This should be amusing

Personally, I do not dislike anyone. Once I close the browser, EF is no longer part of my life.

 

[spentagn]

Personally, I do not dislike anyone. Once I close the browser, EF is no longer part of my life.

Good point. Hard for some of "us" to comprehend.

 

[Lao Tzu]

See, I disagree with this. If someone ask me a question, they better want to hear the truth. Otherwise they should not have asked the question. Say someone ask me if I like their haircut. If I think it looks like shit, well I am going to tell them that.

how many people have threatend to kick your ass for that.

at last count, i have had 3 do so. thank god i am physically intimidating.

 

[BO-CEPHUS]

how many people have threatend to kick your ass for that.

at last count, i have had 3 do so. thank god i am physically intimidating.

LOL

Never been threatened, but some have been very pissed off.

 

[polarpixie]

It really all depends on the situation...if it is an unselfish lie, by that I mean, you are not lying to save your own skin, but rather it's to save someone else from getting hurt, than that has its merits...it all depends on who the lie will benefit and if it's a moral or immoral benefit.

And it is NOT always easier to lie than tell the truth. Sometimes telling the truth is a complete copout because you don't want to hold the heavy load of guilt on your shoulders.

So Toga, sorry your friend hurt you, and if it was just some dumb white lie, like she did make all those long distance calls from your house, I'd consider just getting over it because some things are just too petty to argue over.

 

[cure]

I would love for someone to post a picture on this board and the guy/girl does not look good and is out of shape and then i hear people posting comments like great chest or huge forearms(HUGE FOREARMS??) Now this guy gets on his high horse and decides to take his shirt off next time in front of others and gets ripped to his face. Now this guy feels like shit and commits suicide. Do you believe you should have lied to the guy in the first place to make him feel good? There is no place for lies unless it leads to sex.

 

[polarpixie]

Damn....suicide??? That sux....that guy really needs to get a self-esteem....As far as telling lies like that for 'socially tactful' reasons...that's all subjective anyway and nobody should take what anybody else that about their body, hair, or their clothes to heart.

 

[Stryc-9]

I think it was Immanuel Kant who said that it's never acceptable to lie - regardless of the consequences....

He gives the following example:

A close friend of yours bursts into your house one evening and tells you that an axe-weilding psycho is chasing them....your friend then proceeds to hide in a backroom at which point the psycho with the axe arrives at your door...he asks you where your friend is hiding...

Kant says it's immoral to lie to the psycho about the whereabouts of your friend...his reason is that it is presumptious of you to assume that you know how the situation will play itself out...you might lie to the killer who would proceed to the backyard where he happens upon your friend who has snuck out a back window....the point is that we can be certain that the act of lying is itself immoral - but we can never be certain about what might happen if we decide to lie for prudent reasons....so it's safer simply never to lie....

Now I've bored myself to death - and I probably botched Kantian ethics.....but whatever.....

 

[HumorMe]

Lying, when is it acceptable, if ever? And when should it be forgiven?

I found out today that a good friend lied to me...straight to my face lied to me. No, this is nothing new....and it was not a giant life changing lie either, but it hurt just the same.

So, Elite...when is it Ok to lie, and how much should one person accept?

~toga

Lying is wrong as far as I am concerned! Lying shows a lack of integrity!

Side note: It was plifter wasn't it? He told you he was hung, huh!