Which was a bigger tragedy?

[Gambino]

I agree. However, I believe we all have a responsibility to help those less fortunate in the face of a catastrophe like that. There are always going to be those that do not have the advantages or the means to do what seems normal and natural to others.

the question is: should help be manadtory, or on a volunteer basis?
it sickens me knowing that lestat is so eager to forfite (sp) my money when I'm scrapping by and he is big timing in san diego

 

[Cutiebaby]

Def 9/11 was worse

Ok. Sure Katrina ruined a lot of lives, and was terrible in its own way. But shit, they should have seen it coming. I of course have sympathy for those that were there...Hell my best friends mama stood the storm and lost every thing that she ever had. She was missing for some time!

 

[a creed]

Lestat - why post something that you KNEW would divide this board - (well somewhat)

IMHO - you don't make THAT much $$$ - I'll easily match wages with you, but this is the first time i've brought this up.

I think you're cool and all, but i would like to see a poll/post question that doesn't end up with you letting everyone know how "well-off" you are (whether you do directly or indirectly) You're not wealthy enough to feel bad about how much you make.

Just my 2cents

 

[bluepeter]

the question is: should help be manadtory, or on a volunteer basis?
it sickens me knowing that lestat is so eager to forfite (sp) my money when I'm scrapping by and he is big timing in san diego

Depends what help you are referring to. Cash handouts after the fact? Voluntary. Tax money spent wisely so that cities have the appropriate planning and infrastructure to take care of those of limited means in disaster situations? Mandatory.

 

[pintoca]

Lestat - why post something that you KNEW would divide this board - (well somewhat)

IMHO - you don't make THAT much $$$ - I'll easily mach wages with you, but this is the first time i've brought this up.

I think you're cool and all, but i would like to see a pol/post question that doesn't end up with you letting everyone know how "well-off" you are (whether you do directly or indirectly) You're not wealthy enough to feel bad about how much you make.

Just my 2cents

OMGWTFBBQPWNEDOKTHXBYE

 

[Gambino]

Depends what help you are referring to. Cash handouts after the fact? Voluntary. Tax money spent wisely so that cities have the appropriate planning and infrastructure to take care of those of limited means in disaster situations? Mandatory.

agreed

 

[ksharp01]

lmao. bro, how many of the katrina victims do you think had a stock portfolio?

Would they do shit for you? probably not.

we're talking about poor people man.

I helped in a very small way for both 9/11 and katrina, i wish I could take the 9/11 money back though and give it to katrina. Its events like that which really expose the dirty underbelly of this country. As time goes on it becomes more and more apparent how people really don't give a shit about the poor in this country, people somehow think it is just their own fault.

I am where I am today because I was born into a white, middle class, christian family. The road was paved for me to succeed in high school, and then college, and now my career. I'm not so naieve and ignorant to think that EVERYONE has the same opportunities afforded to me. I didn't have the same opportunities as Warren Buffets children, the New Orleans population in general doesn't have a 10th of the means that you or I have.

I'm not saying people need hand outs either, but if we are giving them out, at least give them out fairly and to those who have REAL NEED.

You are telling me that a woman who lost her husband in the trade centers needs a couple of million dollars to live the rest of her life, yet there are people in katrina that couldn't even qualify for the $2000 ATM card! Its pathetic and makes me ashamed of my countrymen.

AMEN!!!! VERY WELL SAID!!!

 

[Y_lifter]

As for the loss of life piece of the tragedy, which one was the most avoidable

Katrina was seen coming DAYS ahead of time.
AirPlanes crashing into the Towers on that day was not

The real tragedy IMO was "everyone" including the vics not doing enough
about what they Saw and Knew was coming.

 

[ksharp01]

As for the loss of life piece of the tragedy, which one was the most avoidable

Katrina was seen coming DAYS ahead of time.
AirPlanes crashing into the Towers on that day was not

The real tragedy IMO was "everyone" including the vics not doing enough
about what they Saw and Knew was coming.

True, so true..both by far are something I never have to live through again. But I can speak for most of us that have lived here all our lives can tell you that it is very rare that we do leave -- except for those closest to the coast line. We board up, stock up on suppies and pray for the best. It isn't always that easy to pack and go when so many times it really hasn't been so bad. This was classified as one of the most deadliest catastrophies in HISTORY!! No one could of predicted that, and it wouldn't of even of been unliveable even then if the levees wouldn't of given way. We are all STILL suffering a great deal down here. Nothing will be exactly the same. Our economy has strongly been impacted. It is worst for those that were already poor...now the cost of living has sky rocketed....to get insurance is almost impossible in some areas and for the others you have to pay for it with a arm and 2 legs. Both are very tragic and it is just to hard to call on this one. I can't speak for the families that were directly impacted with 9/11 but from shows I have seen on dateline etc...most have picked up the pieces and moved on. I just hope to see that in our near future....but I doubt it. I made alright money before all of this and now income has dropped dramatically and price of everything else is up. So even though I was on outshirts and not directly in Katrina's path..even someone like me has lost. I am still thankful and count my blessings. I had to personally deal with so many that lost so much. It is hard to look those families in the face as they cry to you about all they lost, personal belongings and family.
Sorry so long just very passionate about this topic.

 

[Frisky]

both were bad, no question.

but the 9/11 got so much support. The average "victim" got a couple million.

The average victim in new orleans doesn't live there anymore and is basically as poor as before.

well, both very tragic, no doubt... Lives lost in both cases.

Here is something I got from a friend of mine that touches on the subject of 9/11 and our military. I found it quite interesting

By Rush Limbaugh:

I think the vast differences in compensation between victims of the September 11 casualty and those who die serving our country in Uniform are profound. No one is really talking about it either, because you just don't criticize anything having to do with September 11. Well, I can't let the numbers pass by because it says something really disturbing about the
entitlement mentality of this country. If you lost a family member in the September 11 attack, you're going to get an average of $1,185,000. The range is a minimum guarantee of $250,000, all the way up to $4.7 million.


If you are a surviving family m ember of an American soldier killed in action, the first check you get is a $6,000 direct death benefit, half of which is taxable.

Next, you get $1,750 for burial costs. If you are the surviving spouse, you get $833 a month until you remarry. And there's a payment of $211 per month for each child under 18. When the child hits 18, those payments come to a screeching halt.

Keep in mind that some of the people who are getting an average of $1.185 million up to $4.7 million are complaining that it's not enough. Their deaths were tragic, but for most, they were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time. Soldiers put themselves in harms way FOR ALL OF US, and they and their families know the dangers.

We also learned over the weekend that some of the victims from the Oklahoma City bombing have started an organization asking for the same deal that the September 11 families are getting. In addition to that, some of the families of those bombed in the embassies are now asking for compensation as well.

You see where this is going, don't you? Folks, this is part and parcel of over 50 years of entitlement politics in this country. It's just really sad. Every time a pay raise comes up for the military, they usually receive next to nothing of a raise. Now the green machine is in combat in the Middle East while their families have to survive on food stamps and live in low-rent housing. Make sense?

However, our own U.S. Congress voted themselves a raise. Many of you don't know that they only have to be in Congress one time to receive a pension that is more than $15,000 per month. And most are now equal to being millionaires plus. They do not receive Social Security on retirement because they didn't have to pay into the system. (?)
If some of the military people stay in for 20 years and get out as an E-7, they may receive a pension of $1,000 per month, and the very people who placed them in harm's way receive a pension of $15,000 per month.

I would like to see our elected officials pick up a weapon and join ranks before they start cutting out benefits and lowering pay for our sons and daughters who are now fighting .