Which was a bigger tragedy?

[Lestat]

Lestat - why post something that you KNEW would divide this board - (well somewhat)

IMHO - you don't make THAT much $$$ - I'll easily match wages with you, but this is the first time i've brought this up.

I think you're cool and all, but i would like to see a poll/post question that doesn't end up with you letting everyone know how "well-off" you are (whether you do directly or indirectly) You're not wealthy enough to feel bad about how much you make.

Just my 2cents

please show me where I talked about how much money I make or how well off I am? You're delusional

 

[Lestat]

OMGWTFBBQPWNEDOKTHXBYE

he pwned himself by basically making shit up bro.

 

[Lestat]

teachnically, the gov't should not have the right to force individual citizens to donate their own personal finances in any situation, IMO. plenty of people WILL, and CAN, and from a moral standpoint, yeah they SHOULD, but that should be up to the individual themselves.

as far as comparing the two horrible tragedies that occured, there is utterly no point at all in that. totally unproductive. and totally relative.

I completely disagree.

We are a society, and I think part of being a civilized nation is that we TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN.

Anytime someone uses welfare, food stamps, subsidized education loans, and other forms of assistance it is taking from people with means and giving it to those without and it turn makes this nation better for all.

 

[Lestat]

"Worst Natural disaster in known History"???????

Please. The tsunami was worse. Hundreds of thousands died.

Or Krakatoa.

it was the worst in US history, not world history.

 

[jnevin]

I completely disagree.

We are a society, and I think part of being a civilized nation is that we TAKE CARE OF OUR OWN.

Anytime someone uses welfare, food stamps, subsidized education loans, and other forms of assistance it is taking from people with means and giving it to those without and it turn makes this nation better for all.

The welfare system and everything associated with it has been one of the worst things to happen to the poor in this country. It has caused generations to live in poverty instead of going out and working. People have become completely dependant upon the system to take care of them instead of using it as a temporary crutch.

 

[bluepeter]

Well if thats the case, I think Im going to sue my city/state for something than.. I dont know what, but Ill think of something.. Maybe sue mcdonalds for giving me cold food, ice in my coke, and a busted ketchup packet that got all over my clothes. I had an interview that afternoon.. assholes!

Good analogy.

 

[Lestat]

The welfare system and everything associated with it has been one of the worst things to happen to the poor in this country. It has caused generations to live in poverty instead of going out and working. People have become completely dependant upon the system to take care of them instead of using it as a temporary crutch.

here's the facts of life bro.

some people are fucking lazy, and will never do shit to help themselves (except maybe steal).

So we are going to end up paying for them one way or another. Do you want to pay for them in jail? or maybe do smoething to try to get them on their feet and productive?

At least wellfare money stays in the system. They use it to buy consumer goods, food, etc which means profits for businesses.

What is the alternative? create a bloated poor class where crime is rampant? that doesn't help your quality of life.

 

[jnevin]

here's the facts of life bro.

some people are fucking lazy, and will never do shit to help themselves (except maybe steal).

So we are going to end up paying for them one way or another. Do you want to pay for them in jail? or maybe do smoething to try to get them on their feet and productive?

At least wellfare money stays in the system. They use it to buy consumer goods, food, etc which means profits for businesses.

What is the alternative? create a bloated poor class where crime is rampant? that doesn't help your quality of life.

I grew up in West Philly, so I've seen the effects of these facts of life, bro. Lemme tell you something. Probably 80% of the people in my neighborhood were already stealing in one way or another, selling drugs, or involved in some type of illegal activity. They had money coming in but were ripping off the system. I would gladly pay for them to be in jail rather than have my friend's 4 year old brother finding bags of drugs on the ground, or needles in the playground. It's a system that keeps people alive, but barely gives enough to live on. If you work, they cut what you get and you live on the same money but end up working for it.

I work my ass off and pay more taxes than probably 95% of this board. Do I want my work to pay for some fuck that's going to go home and put his shitty clothes on and put dirt on his kids' faces so it's more convincing for his welfare case worker?

You know how many times I saw people sell their food stamps to get drugs or booze? Don't talk about shit you don't know, bro. Stick with weed, living in your buddy's house, and going to concerts.

 

[ZKaudio]

lmao. typical response.

you can't blame mother nature?

how about the levy engineers?

I admit I'm not too up to date on katrina but...

didn't the news say, leave town there's a hurricane coming? Like 3 days before it hit... Levy or nature, there was still a warning that a dangerous condition would exist, regardless of crowding, there was still a reasonable ability to leave if one really wanted to... right?

on 9/11 the first hint they got that they needed to get out was "boom" which, for most, was wayy too late.


I'm sure someone will chime in here with some facts to squash my argument... but, this is my general take for a 3rd party onlooker's standpoint.

 

[Lestat]

I admit I'm not too up to date on katrina but...

didn't the news say, leave town there's a hurricane coming? Like 3 days before it hit... Levy or nature, there was still a warning that a dangerous condition would exist, regardless of crowding, there was still a reasonable ability to leave if one really wanted to... right?

on 9/11 the first hint they got that they needed to get out was "boom" which, for most, was wayy too late.


I'm sure someone will chime in here with some facts to squash my argument... but, this is my general take for a 3rd party onlooker's standpoint.

the poorest and oldest of people didn't have the means to leave though bro. Where would they have gone?