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High dose of Anavar....60-80mgs per day?
OR
Winny at 50-100mgs per day?
OR
Winny at 50-100mgs per day?
Which is more harmful to the body?
- Thread starter Smokescreen
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OH! One more thing. How long can each drug be taken for? How many weeks for winny? and how many for var?
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This is a subject of much debate. Some experts claim that either can be deadly at any done in a week, and others claim no steroid is bad for anyone with a healthy lifestyle even at extreme doses for years at a time. Hope that clears things up a bit for you.
Goldprospector
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I would say that the winny would be more harmful...The way it affects the joints could not be good in a long term. But as i have always read, with any oral, it is best to go no longer than 8 weeks with 4 to 6 being optimum. But I have seen people go longer when they take the proper precautions with the liver.
Winny doesn't do shit for my hair ( knock on wood ) or joints. Never has.
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Mr.X
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winstrol....
I've seen sh*t either way on this argument. Ultimately, you have to use your knowledge of medical science (uh, hopefully I'm not joking here) with what you know to be true of your own body and make that judgement call. Then cross your fingers and monitor the situation closely. 
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Goldprospector said:
Interesting theory, but have you ever seen anyone do ok who did not take the proper precautions with their liver other than not drinking or taking tylenol etc? Have you ever seen a non-drinker see greatly elevated liver enzymes at 8 weeks of continual winstrol use? How about 12 weeks? What about 52 weeks? Thus far I have never seen my liver enzymes change on any 17-aa compound after 8-12 weeks... not anyone I know personally. However it could be something strange about Texans that causes us to not have problems from these compounds and people everywhere else do.
Just to clarify- yes, normally winstrol would be considered the more risky, but he's asking about higher than normal dosages. I think that changes the situation.
BodyByFinaplix said:
Keep in mind BBF, most of the newbies/rookies still drink 3 nights/wk. Hell I still do it 2x a month. I just tone it down, drink plenty of water and take Liv.52
Good to see you around again bor.
What you runnin these days? Hows the lady problem?
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hardrock said:
Wow guess you do not frequint C&C... my wedding pictures were up on there a couple months ago.
I am on 200 mg of eq once a week and a little prop from time to time. I've taken a break from bodybuilding other than a few dumbells from time to time at home and on occasoin work out with my dad at his home (not as bad as it sounds. He has 405lbs in plates, a squat rack and a few other things). I am down to about 220 lbs and the arms are down to 17" after 8 months. I lost a bit from getting sick and that 3 weeks of bed rest after getting out of the hospitol back then, and have only lost a little since then during the last 8 months.
To clarify for those who do not know, I had a partial tear in my left bicep that got infected with a bacteria in my GI track that I got from food poisoning that my girlfriend (now wife) and I got from a chinesse buffet. The doctors told me I was the first case of this they had ever scene, and they had never seen a gi bacteria do this before since most abcesses are casue by a surface bacteria penetrating the skin and getting into a muscle. However since it go there through my bloodstream instead it was very very rare. Boy do I feel special.
Anyway back to your point on the drinking. The alcohol is worse for your liver than the winstrol...so if you care about your liver, even if you are a natrual, stay away from alcohol and tylenol. As for non-drinkers, I have never seen one report elevated liver enzymes. I have run winstrol at 100 mg a day fro 12 weeks with noticable elevatoin in liver enzymes, and the mod AAP here has run 50 mg a day for something like 38 weeks straight without any problems.
A chef i know ran 100 winny and 100 var ED for 6 weeks while maintaining liver function with Tylers and ABSOLUTELY no drinking or NSAID use whatsoever. No enzyme irregularities whatsoever. Now, maybe he is just lucky, i will ask him about how hard and tragicly swolen he was...
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satchboogie
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winny is more harmful...
DannoMight
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winstrol
Fukkenshredded
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Winstrol has an impact on water distribution, which can present more of a risk. In terms of organ specific toxicity, they are both stressful at those doses. BTW, winstrol elevates body temperature (yes, causing fat loss directly). Anavar has a direct influence on the adipose deposits in the stomach area, but is not as effective for overall fatburning as winstrol in my experience.
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What are you guys basing this off of?
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Bozwell said:
10 mg of nolvadex a day will conteract that. Anavar also has a negative effect on cholesterol for many.
Baywatch69
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When using anavar at 70mg per day I had some blood work done - Liver values were fine. Not elevated at all.
will b huge
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(Personally, I believe ANAVAR is about the safest out there, although your dosage is rather high putting liver values at risk, but still think Winstrol is WORSE for you)
Here....Bill ROBERTS is a STEROID Expert....Read his two complete profiles on both...
ANAVAR---
by Bill Roberts - Unlike most oral steroids, which are Class II steroids giving most of their anabolic effect by means other than the androgen receptor (AR), it seems that oxandrolone probably does have good binding to the AR, and is therefore a Class I steroid, while having little other effect. By itself it is considered to be a weak anabolic.
Partly this is due to its apparent lack of non-AR-mediated activity. This can be corrected of course by stacking with a Class II steroid such as Dianabol, Anadrol®, 4-AD, or nor-4-AD: the latter two steroids require high blood levels which are not obtained by oral use of the powders.
The other part of the reason for this is that bodybuilders make unfortunate and unreasonable comparisons when judging anabolic steroids. If say 8 tablets per day does little, then the drug is pronounced useless or weak by the user. But that is only 20 mg/day, or 140 mg/week. Does 140 mg/week testosterone give much results? No. Few anabolic steroids give dramatic results at that dose. Per milligram the potency is reasonable, but each individual tablet is weak because the dosage is small.
Because of its high price, very few bodybuilders have taken large doses of oxandrolone. There is a single case in the medical literature (Forbes et al.) where it is reported that a competitive athlete self-administered 150 mg oxandrolone per day with remarkable gains. This is of uncertain credibility because unless urinalysis was done to verify that no other steroids were taken, there is no way to be certain that the athlete did not actually take more drugs than he reported. In any case, at current prices, only the quite wealthy could afford such a dose. I personally have tried 150 mg/day and considered it somewhat effective, but not dramatically so, and not a preferred regimen.
Oxandrolone does not aromatize or convert to DHT, and has a longer half life than Dianabol - 8 hours vs. 4 hours. Thus, a moderate dose taken in the morning is largely out of the system by night, yet supplies reasonable levels of androgen during the day and early evening.
Oxandrolone shares the liver toxicity problems common to 17-alkylated steroids. At one time it was thought that it did not, but both clinical and practical experience with Oxandrin has shown that at doses of 40 mg/day and higher, liver toxicity is indeed an issue with prolonged use.
Primobolan, I believe, should be considered a superior compound, offering the same activity at (usually) a lower price and without the alkylated-toxicity issue.
WINSTROL-
by Bill Roberts - One obvious difference between Winstrol Depot and other injectables is that it is not esterified, being sold as aqueous stanozolol suspension. (It should not be called water-soluble: virtually none of it is dissolved in the water.) This means that it does not have a classical half-life, where at time x the level is ½ the starting level, at time 2 x the level is ¼, at time 3 x the level is 1/8, etc. Instead, the microcrystals slowly dissolve, and when they have all dissolved levels of the drug then fall very rapidly.
For veterinary application, Upjohn claims that once-weekly doses supply constant levels. I am not sure if that is actually true or not – it might be true in terms of being clinically practical but not literally true. If true, then it may be that the observation of bodybuilders that frequent dosing is required has more to do with a significant dose being required, e.g. 350 mg/week, rather than an actual need for it to be injected daily. Unfortunately bodybuilders often make illogical comparisons, and will conclude that daily injections are needed, since a once a week injection of 50 mg did not do the job! Well, of course it didn’t: the dose was too low. For a future article, some urinalysis testing may be performed to come up with some more specific information on this matter, since it is of interest to many.
In some cases, women have had virilization problems with oral Winstrol at only 2 mg/day. Thus, it cannot be assumed that even a single tab per day is necessarily safe for all women concerned about maintaining their natural voice, avoiding hirsutism, etc.
Stanozolol has some unique biochemical properties which we will discuss in a later article.
Here....Bill ROBERTS is a STEROID Expert....Read his two complete profiles on both...
ANAVAR---
by Bill Roberts - Unlike most oral steroids, which are Class II steroids giving most of their anabolic effect by means other than the androgen receptor (AR), it seems that oxandrolone probably does have good binding to the AR, and is therefore a Class I steroid, while having little other effect. By itself it is considered to be a weak anabolic.
Partly this is due to its apparent lack of non-AR-mediated activity. This can be corrected of course by stacking with a Class II steroid such as Dianabol, Anadrol®, 4-AD, or nor-4-AD: the latter two steroids require high blood levels which are not obtained by oral use of the powders.
The other part of the reason for this is that bodybuilders make unfortunate and unreasonable comparisons when judging anabolic steroids. If say 8 tablets per day does little, then the drug is pronounced useless or weak by the user. But that is only 20 mg/day, or 140 mg/week. Does 140 mg/week testosterone give much results? No. Few anabolic steroids give dramatic results at that dose. Per milligram the potency is reasonable, but each individual tablet is weak because the dosage is small.
Because of its high price, very few bodybuilders have taken large doses of oxandrolone. There is a single case in the medical literature (Forbes et al.) where it is reported that a competitive athlete self-administered 150 mg oxandrolone per day with remarkable gains. This is of uncertain credibility because unless urinalysis was done to verify that no other steroids were taken, there is no way to be certain that the athlete did not actually take more drugs than he reported. In any case, at current prices, only the quite wealthy could afford such a dose. I personally have tried 150 mg/day and considered it somewhat effective, but not dramatically so, and not a preferred regimen.
Oxandrolone does not aromatize or convert to DHT, and has a longer half life than Dianabol - 8 hours vs. 4 hours. Thus, a moderate dose taken in the morning is largely out of the system by night, yet supplies reasonable levels of androgen during the day and early evening.
Oxandrolone shares the liver toxicity problems common to 17-alkylated steroids. At one time it was thought that it did not, but both clinical and practical experience with Oxandrin has shown that at doses of 40 mg/day and higher, liver toxicity is indeed an issue with prolonged use.
Primobolan, I believe, should be considered a superior compound, offering the same activity at (usually) a lower price and without the alkylated-toxicity issue.
WINSTROL-
by Bill Roberts - One obvious difference between Winstrol Depot and other injectables is that it is not esterified, being sold as aqueous stanozolol suspension. (It should not be called water-soluble: virtually none of it is dissolved in the water.) This means that it does not have a classical half-life, where at time x the level is ½ the starting level, at time 2 x the level is ¼, at time 3 x the level is 1/8, etc. Instead, the microcrystals slowly dissolve, and when they have all dissolved levels of the drug then fall very rapidly.
For veterinary application, Upjohn claims that once-weekly doses supply constant levels. I am not sure if that is actually true or not – it might be true in terms of being clinically practical but not literally true. If true, then it may be that the observation of bodybuilders that frequent dosing is required has more to do with a significant dose being required, e.g. 350 mg/week, rather than an actual need for it to be injected daily. Unfortunately bodybuilders often make illogical comparisons, and will conclude that daily injections are needed, since a once a week injection of 50 mg did not do the job! Well, of course it didn’t: the dose was too low. For a future article, some urinalysis testing may be performed to come up with some more specific information on this matter, since it is of interest to many.
In some cases, women have had virilization problems with oral Winstrol at only 2 mg/day. Thus, it cannot be assumed that even a single tab per day is necessarily safe for all women concerned about maintaining their natural voice, avoiding hirsutism, etc.
Stanozolol has some unique biochemical properties which we will discuss in a later article.
a-bomb5083
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mg for mg, winstrol takes the cake. i'd just leave var for the women though. if i did decide to use var, it would be a high dose (higher than 50mg/day) but i don't quite think i have the funds for that. so i'll stick with winny 
