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Which deload do you favor?
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I get the feeling people really seem to like to peak heavy triples further out (it's a nice reward and ego enhancement for pushing hard through the loading). Plus, chances are if I would have originally suggested to run the volume/loading phase, deload for a week or so and then jump back in people would have been considerably less enthused about their progress. With a longer run of triples (doubles and singles will chase people off) you get to see all the progress rather than diving right back in after a brief respite. It's a cool one stop shop glamour program run like that and tends to get people hooked on improving their core lifts.
That said, the best option for someone at any point in time though will depend on their 'macroplan' and what exactly they are trying to do overall in a larger frame of time. Maybe it's concentrated loading for a period interspersed with briefer periods of deloading and then only later a big peak. And even this big peak could be gotten too by using shorter loading periods to gradually reduce fatigue before a final run. Not necessarily binarry on/off but more of a dial and meter. I don't know, kind of limitless. The important point is to understand the concept of workload over time periods, fatigue, and how these come together to allow this to be managed. After that - you are a blank canvas, and that's about the coolest thing in being someone who lifts for pure enjoyment and isn't teathered to a season or competitive calendar of some sort.
That said, the best option for someone at any point in time though will depend on their 'macroplan' and what exactly they are trying to do overall in a larger frame of time. Maybe it's concentrated loading for a period interspersed with briefer periods of deloading and then only later a big peak. And even this big peak could be gotten too by using shorter loading periods to gradually reduce fatigue before a final run. Not necessarily binarry on/off but more of a dial and meter. I don't know, kind of limitless. The important point is to understand the concept of workload over time periods, fatigue, and how these come together to allow this to be managed. After that - you are a blank canvas, and that's about the coolest thing in being someone who lifts for pure enjoyment and isn't teathered to a season or competitive calendar of some sort.
nelmsjer
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madcow2, I think you're right. The triples are a blast to do and very gratifying. I remember at the end of my triples I hit 275 for 3 reps on bench, which had been my max 2 months before. It is also very motivational for the future... "maybe I can get that triple for a set of 5 next time", "maybe I will hit 300 next time", etc. It keeps you going.
I'm thinking that if I told you to deload for a week or two and jump back into another hard volume phase racheted up with brand new PRs, your thought process in week 4 and then restarting again a week or so later with it keyed up even more would have been, "Fuck this guy, I don't want to do that again. There is no reason to be doing all this work." But give someone a taste of the reward that effort brought and they'll go back and do it harder all on their own.nelmsjer said:
Credit goes to Glenn. It's a slick layout for explaining concepts clearly, breaking voodoo BBing taboos, and best of all results. Elegant simplicity.
nelmsjer
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I think what's interesting to me is that it doesn't SEEM like a lot of work. The simplicity of it all reduces all the mental energy that goes into exercise selection, set and rep selection, etc. It's just simple: greater workload, greater weight, built up over time. Add eating and sleeping.
All the "hard stuff" of "discovering" what parameters to use, total weekly volume, total percentage or reps above a certain percent of 1RM has already been worked out through decades of experience. I'm not too much for cookie cutter programs, but I like to use those programs to LEARN from. And I have learned more from this one and your comments (along with others), than I have ever previously learned from a cookie cutter program. And the results are outstanding and self-motivating...which brings us full circle to the beginning...
All the "hard stuff" of "discovering" what parameters to use, total weekly volume, total percentage or reps above a certain percent of 1RM has already been worked out through decades of experience. I'm not too much for cookie cutter programs, but I like to use those programs to LEARN from. And I have learned more from this one and your comments (along with others), than I have ever previously learned from a cookie cutter program. And the results are outstanding and self-motivating...which brings us full circle to the beginning...
Jim Ouini
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1/3 x 3 phase is a ton o' fun. I think MC2 mentioned before but it's possible you might see decreased performance during the loading phase, so to have a few weeks where you're the hammer instead of the nail is a nice incentive.
And although I got good results from Korte, the heavy singles were a bit intimidating, pretty depressing if you miss it. At least if you miss a 3RM you'll most likely get at least 2 so you don't feel like a total loser.
And although I got good results from Korte, the heavy singles were a bit intimidating, pretty depressing if you miss it. At least if you miss a 3RM you'll most likely get at least 2 so you don't feel like a total loser.
blut wump
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I had one run where I got injured and aborted into the fourth week. No complaints since I got the benefits of the loading anyway.
Hitting the heavier weights and straining is a lot of fun but I've lost conditioning each time I've done it. I can see myself sometime this year running a couple of consecutive loading phases before diving into an intensity phase. I also attempted the Korte this past year and had to drop the deads during the intensity phase but I really enjoyed going for new 1RM weights on the remaining exercises.
Hitting the heavier weights and straining is a lot of fun but I've lost conditioning each time I've done it. I can see myself sometime this year running a couple of consecutive loading phases before diving into an intensity phase. I also attempted the Korte this past year and had to drop the deads during the intensity phase but I really enjoyed going for new 1RM weights on the remaining exercises.
enigma4dub
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blut wump said:
when you say two consecutive load phases do you mean run weeks 1-4. then week 5 you go right back to week 1?
