whey protein before working out?

[derailed]

I just read an article saying that whey protein before working out helps increase fat oxidationn and helps to maintain muscle mass vs a pre workout diet of nothing, milk protein, or glucose, a study preformed on rats. Well, I have a huge protein shake loaded with glucose and ice cream post workout to get my insulin rocketing.

My question is, would it be over kill to have a small protein shake before and a big one after working out? Any thoughts on this?

 

[vin01]

I have a Pre W/O shake consisting of 23g protien, 20g dextrose, 22g maltodextrin. I take this in ~15min before I lift.

MY PWO shake has double the contents of what I take in earlier (46g/40g/47g). I start sipping this ~halfway through my workout, and then chug the remainder when I finish.


I have noticed an increase in energy since I have been taking in the "Pre" shake, and I do not get fatigued as quickly. Ever since I started it, I have been seeing good strength gains. However, that may be due to 1) the shake 2) my cleaned up diet or 3) coincidence.

So I would definately recommend some form of whey PreWO - I bet you'll see something positive come out of it. (Just don't make it too much that you're full and wanna vomit when you lift)

 

[jmt24]

my pre workout shake is a mucle milk shake/whey combination with a small amount of flax seed oil totalling around 50g protein. i drink about 35g of the protein before hand and sip the rest of it during my workout. after i finish getting dressed, i have a pure whey protein shake with 30g protein, 30g dextrose, and some bcaa's. now, if you are using whey pre, i say get some flax seed oil and throw it in there. this will slow the absortion of the protein in your body so it last longer thru your workout. i would ditch the ice cream pwo bc it has fat in it which will slow the absorption of the protein, not what you want to happen. id have the whey post with some dextrose (you can get it online at supplementdirect) and some bcaa's if you want. as far as protein content, at least 30g after and at least 30g.

 

[derailed]

Do you think that its better to have slower absorption of protein and a higher insulin spike or a faster absorption of protein with a lower insulin spike post workout?

Add a dash of salt to your post w/o shake. Glucose needs Na+ as a co-transporter.

 

[gjohnson5]

I just read an article saying that whey protein before working out helps increase fat oxidationn and helps to maintain muscle mass vs a pre workout diet of nothing, milk protein, or glucose, a study preformed on rats. Well, I have a huge protein shake loaded with glucose and ice cream post workout to get my insulin rocketing.

My question is, would it be over kill to have a small protein shake before and a big one after working out? Any thoughts on this?

This is exactly what you should do
I would use whey protein with glutamine peptides as excersize will damage muscle (what it's suppsoe to do) and you will have an anticatabolic agent during the workout. The in atleast 30 minutes afer the workout I would down whey with some carbs. Egg protein or whole egg (protein factory) may be good here as well

 

[Longhorn85]

This is exactly what you should do
I would use whey protein with glutamine peptides as excersize will damage muscle (what it's suppsoe to do) and you will have an anticatabolic agent during the workout.

Sounds like good advice, but it is interesting. As you said, the purpose of exercise is to break down muscle tissue so why would you consume an anti-catabolic agent to fight that very process during the workout? In other words, is it not best to allow muscle breakdown so that the body will have to fully recover later (build muscle)?

thanks

 

[gjohnson5]

Sounds like good advice, but it is interesting. As you said, the purpose of exercise is to break down muscle tissue so why would you consume an anti-catabolic agent to fight that very process during the workout? In other words, is it not best to allow muscle breakdown so that the body will have to fully recover later (build muscle)?

thanks

We don't want that breakdown to cause excessive recovery time.
So the idea would be to "plan ahead" by fueling the body with fast absorbing macronutrients (whey protein , maybe some carbs) before and after the workout.

This will lead to better performance over the long run as you are restoring glycogen in the time it is best restores (1hr after workout) and giving the body fuel so the muscle breakdown is minimized

 

[derailed]

anticatobolic effect simply means preventing muscle break down due to cortisol. the muscle breakdown we are talking about is induced by stess caused by lifting weights. About the glutamate, I think ill start doing that.

 

[victoria978]

I read that whey protein is excellent pre and post workout but if you want to use a protien shake as a meal use ?casein? protein. What IS that?

 

[jmt24]

i use cassein right before i go to bed because it's the slowest digesting protein. you can go to store and pick out nightime shakes which should have it. i typically get my cassein from foods like milk and cottage cheese, which i eat right before i go to bed.