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Buddy_Christ

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please don't move this to the outdoor forum. i actually could use some replies on this considering i might be able to pick up something this weekend and moving it to the outdoor forum means i'll get a reply next fall.

looking for an AK47. the guy at the local shop doesn't handle much in the way of assault rifle sales, but he has no problem ordering one for me from his suppliers and would even be willing to hunt for a better price for me. he can get Romanian AKs for $380 before shipping, tax, and FFL, so i'm looking at about $435. one of the ones he can order right away comes with bayonet lug and flash suppressor and a few other things. i think he said it's a WSAR10. the other is definetly a WSAR 10, thumbhole stock (i would prefer a thumbhole stock), and has a siderail already mounted.

a brief hunt on auctionarms and guntrader puts me at about $400 after tax, shipping, and FFL fees for brand new WSAR10s. it's a little cheaper, which is cool.

however, he knows of a guy locally that's selling a Norinco AK47. he said it's used and the guy is asking $375. he didn't have too many details though. that'd be nice because i can avoid all taxes and what not.

i'm not lookiing to spend a ton of cash or else i'd be looking for an SAR 1 or an AR 15. i know the WSAR10 will be reliable as all hell and i'll have plenty of fun with it.

i'm wondering if the Norinco is really worth the cash in used condition. like i said, i don't know all the details on it yet, but with an asking price of $375 and the gun shop dude saying it's a good deal it has me wondering just how good it is. i'm also amazed that the guy at the gun shop was informing me of a private sale like that instead of trying to pick up some cash on the FFL transfer fee.


so Norinco worth the money? anyone know of elsewhere that i could go even cheaper for a WSAR 10 or something of equal quality?
 
I would want to see the Norinco first hand. They can take a beating and parts are mass-produced, but if it has cosmetic problems (alot of wood), then no.
 
Ulcasterdropout said:
I would want to see the Norinco first hand. They can take a beating and parts are mass-produced, but if it has cosmetic problems (alot of wood), then no.
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i'd definetly see it first hand. it's local, so that's a bonus.

but as far as quality of a Norinco vs. a WSAR-10, is it worth the money? i'd be looking at a used Norinco for just about the same price as a new WSAR-10.


Jerkbox - when i get my Class III license, i'll have more guns than you can shake your pee-pee at.
 
Ulcasterdropout said:
Worth the money? If is not worn, I'd take it.
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talked to a buddy about the Norinco. he said if it's a 16" barrel, a through examination is needed. he said it could possibly be shot to shit. he said that if it's been lightly used and has 16" barrel, it's a decent buy in comparison to buying a WSAR-10 new for the same price.

however, he said if it has a long barrel, it's definetly worth the price even used as the longer barrel versions are more rare and more accurate. he said to snag it if it's the longer barrel and it's not beat up. he has i think 7 AKs (some 47s, some 74s), some pre some post ban (i know, the ban is no more, but almost all pre-bans are already set up for flash suppressor and have bayonet lug). he has an Egyptian AK-47 in his collection and i know he has at least one AK that hasn't been fired and is worth $700 easily.

gonna require a phone call to the guy with the Norinco to get a good idea of what to do here.
 
Not to clutter up your thread Crak, but for the home, strictly for home defense, would a shot gun be preferable, and if so any suggestions as to which?
 
What ever happened with your gun confiscation incident?
 
Norinco AK47 and SKS (even the M305 which is a M1A clone) are good purchases. But make sure it's not beaten to death.

But since you're looking for a thumbhole stock, why dont you get a Norinco/Yugo SKS (about 100$) and get an ATI "Dragunov" stock which cost less than 150$ new ?
 
JerseyArt said:
Not to clutter up your thread Crak, but for the home, strictly for home defense, would a shot gun be preferable, and if so any suggestions as to which?
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JA, I definatly agree on the shotty for home defense. Bird shot rounds though. Buck shot will tear through the walls and hit the little ones sleeping in the next room.

Crak, sorry I can't bring anything else to the thread. Something about AK's that don't do it for me. I think the design is what it is because, like a battered woman, you can beat the piss out of it, dust it off, and she'll still go to work for you.
 
It is easy to ruin the barrel of a semi-auto through over heating.

I would pay more for a new gun myself.

I doubt the Norinco type crowd really baby their guns.
 
Take it from me, Crak. I'm an official member of the Masuimi Max club. Not to mention my extensive background in manufacturing techniques, metallurgy, heat treating, and especially how it applies to making firearms. I work for Springfield Armory.
Do not ever, under any circumstances by anything from Norinco. Got that? Definitely go Romanian. Eastern European gun making is among the best in the world. Good raw materials, and great machine work make a really nice gun. The Norinco has very poor raw material, and average machine work. For an extra 75 bucks, get the peace of mind that goes with getting something better.
 
marshallmadman said:
Take it from me, Crak. I'm an official member of the Masuimi Max club. Not to mention my extensive background in manufacturing techniques, metallurgy, heat treating, and especially how it applies to making firearms. I work for Springfield Armory.
Do not ever, under any circumstances by anything from Norinco. Got that? Definitely go Romanian. Eastern European gun making is among the best in the world. Good raw materials, and great machine work make a really nice gun. The Norinco has very poor raw material, and average machine work. For an extra 75 bucks, get the peace of mind that goes with getting something better.
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Must have been a long time since you guys in the US could import Norinco crap cause their products changed a lot in the last years. Their pistols still suck, most of their rifles too but mil-spec rifles are reliable and good "bang for the buck" options. That includes the Ak47, SKS and M305 (M1A). The only exception being their Ar15 clone which is made of cheap plastic. But yeah, the price tag difference between a Romanian AK and Norinco isnt that big, same goes for the Yugo SKS.

But hey, be different and get yourself a Czech VZ58 which looks like an AK47 but has its own design and more reliable than an AK

http://www.marstar.ca/VZ-58-S.htm
 
marshallmadman said:
Take it from me, Crak. I'm an official member of the Masuimi Max club. Not to mention my extensive background in manufacturing techniques, metallurgy, heat treating, and especially how it applies to making firearms. I work for Springfield Armory.
Do not ever, under any circumstances by anything from Norinco. Got that? Definitely go Romanian. Eastern European gun making is among the best in the world. Good raw materials, and great machine work make a really nice gun. The Norinco has very poor raw material, and average machine work. For an extra 75 bucks, get the peace of mind that goes with getting something better.
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i already have a Russian Makarov. picked that up instead of anything American made because i heard no bad stuff about the gun. only issue i've EVER had was jamming because i wasn't gripping it tight enough. so really, the gun has no issues whatsoever.

i'm leaning towards a new Romanian WSAR10 just because i don't know how this Norinco has been treated.


Manny, that one looks nice, but it's a bit more than i wanted to spend. that's going to run me close to $700 out the door. believe me, i'd love to spend a lot more right now, but this will not be my only assault rifle purchase. i have many more years to acquire bigger and better guns, but at the moment i don't want to spend too much still get something i can enjoy shooting.
 
The reason for the longer barrel being worth more, is cuz of the low muzzel velocity. Longer barrel=smoother trajectory.
Also, make sure the trigger is tight. I've heard of premature trigger wear with these.
 
Yea....a longer barrell gives the explosion more time to get the bullet going faster and spinning right.

6" pistol barrel is much more accurate than a 4".
 
i suggest you ask the AK guys at ar15.com; they are going to be able to give you way better answers than anyone here.

oh yeah, there are several active members here that are over there as well.

ARFCOM is good to get all sorts of info (and deals) on guns.
 
p0ink said:
i suggest you ask the AK guys at ar15.com; they are going to be able to give you way better answers than anyone here.

oh yeah, there are several active members here that are over there as well.

ARFCOM is good to get all sorts of info (and deals) on guns.
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i've considered joining that board, but havn't gotten around to it. i have 2 boards i'm already very active on anyway.

right now i've got my eyes on an auction for a SAR-1 made in 1999 and unfired (3 days left, currently at $235 but has a reserve, buy it now is $425). if i can snag it for $350 or less, i'm gonna grab it. otherwise i'm just going to get a Romanian AK or a Bulgarian if i see a good auction for one. the two cheapest ones on gunbroker and auctionarms are $319 and $329. That's roughly $400 with tax. shipping, and FFL fees. I just don't want to spend much more than that right now and i will be getting more guns in coming years. don't need to spend $700+ right now for something i can take to the range and shoot all day. plus both cars need tires. just did tires on hers, mine is going in thursday. that's $510 total. it's money i didn't want to spend, of course. sometimes it's nice to own 2 Civics. i'd hate to see the price tag on tires if i had a truck or if we both had sportier cars.

also considering a CETME, but i've been told their quality is hit or miss. the cheapest i've seen on the auction sites for a CETME is $350 but it already had bayo lug and flash supporessor. i don't think it's worth the risk though.
 
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