Where goes the line between "anabolic dose" and "natural dose"?

[oftheshore]

I'm sorry if the topic is a bit confusing.
My question in really simple

If i would to take 100mg of test E e5d
would it be a HRT Dose? or could in long term be anabolic?

what i really want is a really weak but still anabolic dosage of testosterone

i would not want to go over 200mg e5d, but i still would like to take a dose
that is anabolic, and produceses just a little more than i naturlally produce

 

[NeedMore]

It varys from the invididual to the next. For example, I am on HRT at 200mg a week and my levels are normal but my natural test is naturally low; very low.

If someone is placed on HRT, then the average dose if from 100mg to 200mg a week to establish and maintain a normal testosterone level range.

 

[Gamer2Be08]

100mg EW is low IMO, even for TRT..
200-300 is where it is at! Especially when your doc also prescribes you var, deca and aromasin

 

[Zyglamail]

It varys from the invididual to the next. For example, I am on HRT at 200mg a week and my levels are normal but my natural test is naturally low; very low.

If someone is placed on HRT, then the average dose if from 100mg to 200mg a week to establish and maintain a normal testosterone level range.

200mg/wk will put most 200lb guys in the 500-600ng/dl range which is mid normal on some labs but labs dont predict symptoms of low T. As men get older it takes more T and many clinics will give experienced AAS users up to 400mg/wk. This dose usually produces few if any sides and more than compensates for the symptoms of low T that are not often addressed by docs who simply treat you based on lab numbers.

 

[oftheshore]

200mg/wk will put most 200lb guys in the 500-600ng/dl range which is mid normal on some labs but labs dont predict symptoms of low T. As men get older it takes more T and many clinics will give experienced AAS users up to 400mg/wk. This dose usually produces few if any sides and more than compensates for the symptoms of low T that are not often addressed by docs who simply treat you based on lab numbers.

Hi

Yeah i am familiar with the fact that older men produce less testosterone as they get older.

Exactly i dont want the higher dose 500-750mg ew ..cuz it comes
with a lot more water retention and side effects.

its just a little theory i have that if i use a dose
around 200mg e5d: it will not be to harsh on the body, but still produce more testosterone that i would naturally produce, and still get that little edge of anabolism


i am totally wrong here? any one?

what would be a good dose to forfile my desire?

 

[Zyglamail]

Hi

Yeah i am familiar with the fact that older men produce less testosterone as they get older.

Exactly i dont want the higher dose 500-750mg ew ..cuz it comes
with a lot more water retention and side effects.

its just a little theory i have that if i use a dose
around 200mg e5d: it will not be to harsh on the body, but still produce more testosterone that i would naturally produce, and still get that little edge of anabolism


i am totally wrong here? any one?

what would be a good dose to forfile my desire?

As I said above MANY people run 400mg/wk with little or no sides.

Your theory is just that, a theory or more accurately a guess.

Whats your natty test at? If you dont know and you take 200mg a week you could actually end up with LOWER test than you have now.

Why shut yourself down if your not going to be getting more test than you normally produce.

Go get labs and find out where your at, then take 200mg for a few weeks and go back in and get labs again the day before a planned injection and see where your at. Then you will KNOW what 200mg/wk does for you, otherwise your just guessing.

At the end of the day, if your natty test is 550ng/dl and you take enough test to put you at 600ng/dl then your wasting your time and shutting down natty test for virtually nothing at all.

 

[aj13]

yeah man, its better to just do a cycle then come off and try to achieve and maintain your ideal size - if you cruise on 200mg a week, not only might it be less than what your producing now - but you may have to consider the fact that you will have to inject yourself every week for the rest of your life

 

[kx250rider]

It can be radically different from person to person. My interpretation of "anabolic dose" vs "natural or restorative dose" would be the dose at which your blood tests show levels greater than "normal" range for your age. For me to do that for instance, it would take at least 1000mg/week T, + Arimidex, + HCG.

For some, who unlike my situation, already have high levels of natural T production, it might only take a tenth of that to push the blood tests over the normal values.

Charles

 

[-SD-]

I was trying to do the exact thing you are,
READ AND LEARN:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/shut-down-100mg-wk-cyp-10-months-715955.html

 

[Zyglamail]

I was trying to do the exact thing you are,
READ AND LEARN:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/shut-down-100mg-wk-cyp-10-months-715955.html

here are some free test numbers from a 2001 study.....

25 mg base:593 16weeks:253
50 mg base:566 16weeks:306
125 mg base:553 16weeks:570
300 mg base:653 16weeks:1,345
600 mg base:632 16weeks:2,370

Notice that 25 and 50mg a week significantly lowered free test at the 16 week mark. The reason being is that the exo test shut down natural production. The 125mg/wk group appeared to have approx the same free test while the 300mg/wk group basically doubled their free test.

So what conclusion can be drawn by this? If you want mid range test numbers on your labs then you should probably be an approx 125mg/wk. If you want high normal range then your probably looking at a dose of around 250mg/wk.

The above study these numbers came from showed virtually no sides on the 125 and 300mg dose.