When to "expect" GYNO!.....

[bobdudeman]

Hey all. I'm starting this thread to get some info and mabey get enough input to help others as well. I'm starting my first cycle soon. Breakdown as such...
Sust 500mg t/w
Dbol 20mg e/d
Clomid/ Nolva pct

I'm 6'2 185 lbs and bf is ?
I'm 32. I've waited a long time to do this for myself. Been working out plenty. Not power lifting but mostly a mix of run/bike/swim. Before I start this cycle, I want to get my diet right and get a good workout routine down again. I know I can achieve all the goals I set for my self, But the only goal I want to make sure I overcome is not getting the infamous "GYNO"! So the question here is...
When should you first see signs of GYNO if any?. And If anyone would like to post anything on thier experiences with GYNO to compare, that would be great. This is not meant to make anyone too paranoid, but I think comparing notes is important, especially for first timers who don't know these things.

 

[Slyder190]

Depends on the person. You may not be prone at all, or you may feel it coming on a lot or a little. 20mg D-bol is on the lower side. 500mg Test is average for most guys 'round here. You may feel it from the d-bol in the first weeks or maybe the test might do it around week 4 or 5 when it really kicks in. Then again, it may not be a problem at all.

 

[jacshelb]

You might want to have some kind of anti-e on hand during your cycle just in case. You will feel a lot of soreness first. At that point you might already be developing gyno. If that happens, try a cycle with minimal test and d-bol and add in something less likely to cause gyno.

 

[wls8687]

I woulden't go for 500mg e/w when using d-bol if it's a first cycle..

 

[bobdudeman]

I woulden't go for 500mg e/w when using d-bol if it's a first cycle..

Just stick with the sust? I was going to use the dbol for thu jumpstart.

 

[bobdudeman]

You might want to have some kind of anti-e on hand during your cycle just in case. You will feel a lot of soreness first. At that point you might already be developing gyno. If that happens, try a cycle with minimal test and d-bol and add in something less likely to cause gyno.

Jacshelb, Anti-E by means or HCG?

 

[Stacemranger]

Just stick with the sust? I was going to use the dbol for thu jumpstart.

First cycle, just use the sust at 500mg/week. You'll see great results.

 

[Stacemranger]

Jacshelb, Anti-E by means or HCG?

Anti-e of choice for me would be Adex. I got gyno bad off of Dbol and had to take Nolva at 60mg ED for almost 3.5 weeks to get rid of it. I won't be doing dbol anymore unless I think the Adex can control it next time(didn't take adex with the dbol only cycle and that's when I got the gyno).

 

[woodtick]

I woulden't go for 500mg e/w when using d-bol if it's a first cycle..

I agree. If this is your first I would go with sust 250/w. If you eat and train right you will see great results. I would get some Armidex to have on hand also.

 

[jacshelb]

Anti-e s like arimidex, nolvadex and the newer ones you might find on research only sites. I agree with wls, I think 500mg./week is high just starting out if you are worried about gyno. A friend of mine had a small gyno problem using 525mg./wk of test even with arimidex. Just be cautious the first time. Sounds wimpy, but better to be overly cautious using aas then to experience problems and just give up (as my buddy did).

 

[bobdudeman]

Anti-e s like arimidex, nolvadex and the newer ones you might find on research only sites. I agree with wls, I think 500mg./week is high just starting out if you are worried about gyno. A friend of mine had a small gyno problem using 525mg./wk of test even with arimidex. Just be cautious the first time. Sounds wimpy, but better to be overly cautious using aas then to experience problems and just give up (as my buddy did).

Right on Guys! Input is always appreciated! BTW what kind of simptoms could I expect to see if gyno starts? I've eard of itchy nips and swelling. If going on a 10wk, should I look around wks 5/6 ? I know everyone is different chemestry wise. any hints?......

 

[woodtick]

Right on Guys! Input is always appreciated! BTW what kind of simptoms could I expect to see if gyno starts? I've eard of itchy nips and swelling. If going on a 10wk, should I look around wks 5/6 ? I know everyone is different chemestry wise. any hints?......

Itchy and sensitive nips. Everyone is different, but it could happen as soon as week 2 or 3. I would suggest not starting until you get some adex.

 

[bobdudeman]

Thanks Woodtick....Speaking of adex, any suggestions on how much i would need? And would the nolva suffice?

 

[woodtick]

Thanks Woodtick....Speaking of adex, any suggestions on how much i would need? And would the nolva suffice?

Usual dose is .5-1 mg / day or eod. Adex inhibits the aromatase enzyme which converts test and othe androgens into estrogen. Adex will also keep water retention down. Nolva just blocks estrogen reseptor sites.

Nolva will work and block it ,but you must remember the estrogen will still be there. This is something to think about when your finished with the cycle and stop the nolva. Adex will eliminate this. It will also help with excess water retention.

 

[Slyder190]

I woulden't go for 500mg e/w when using d-bol if it's a first cycle..

I would.

 

[bobdudeman]

Usual dose is .5-1 mg / day or eod. Adex inhibits the aromatase enzyme which converts test and othe androgens into estrogen. Adex will also keep water retention down. Nolva just blocks estrogen reseptor sites.

Nolva will work and block it ,but you must remember the estrogen will still be there. This is something to think about when your finished with the cycle and stop the nolva. Adex will eliminate this. It will also help with excess water retention.

Thanks again. BTW, I'm having trouble finding "info" on adex. any help?

 

[flyingjer]

armidex or liquidex might bring up more

 

[BUBBLES]

could someone plz tell me what gyno means:

 

[Dial_tone]

could someone plz tell me what gyno means:

gynocomastia is when men develop breast tissue. It can be natural or from steroids that aromatize and convert to estrogen.