When to add the winny?

[nab12]

Next cycle will be:

Weeks 1-12 Test E 800 mg week
weeks 1-12 EQ 600 mg week
Weeks 1-6 50 mg dbol daily

also want to add winny to this cycle...when would you add it and at what dosage? Also, do you think i would notice much difference if I lowered dosage down to 600 mg week of the test e and 300 mg week of the eq?

Never ran eq or winny

now im 28, 5-10, 193 lbs approx 12-15% bf, ive ran one cycle of sust 250 @ 500 mg weeklyand primo @ 600 mg weekly and gained approx 20 lbs.

 

[52_21_30]

Next cycle will be:

Weeks 1-12 Test E 800 mg week
weeks 1-12 EQ 600 mg week
Weeks 1-6 50 mg dbol daily

also want to add winny to this cycle...when would you add it and at what dosage? Also, do you think i would notice much difference if I lowered dosage down to 600 mg week of the test e and 300 mg week of the eq?

Never ran eq or winny

now im 28, 5-10, 193 lbs approx 12-15% bf, ive ran one cycle of sust 250 @ 500 mg weeklyand primo @ 600 mg weekly and gained approx 20 lbs.

Weeks 9-12 at 50 mg ED. If you were running deca instead of EQ you could run the winny at higher dosages and longer times because it helps with the winny joint pain.

 

[solidspine]

The day after your d-bol.

 

[nab12]

Ive considered DECA, but am wanting a harder looking body...I like the more vascular look. Also, if I used deca would I really need to up the dosage higher than 50 mg? I know i could...but is there a real benefit there?

 

[52_21_30]

Ive considered DECA, but am wanting a harder looking body...I like the more vascular look. Also, if I used deca would I really need to up the dosage higher than 50 mg? I know i could...but is there a real benefit there?

A couple things. I use deca during cutting and pre-contest along with other hardening compunds like winny and tren. The "vascular look" is a byproduct of low bf, which is a byproduct of diet and cardio. I dont know where this whole "EQ makes me vascular" shit came from. And you dont NEED to use more winny when using deca, but why wouldnt you? I use 150 mg winny/day leading up to a show. The deca is just there for joint support and lubrication.

 

[nab12]

"You dont need to, but why wouldnt you"...the side effects and the cost, while not expense is still a cost....i don't understand your opinion here..if you dont need it, then why would you, is a better question in my opinion.

just different ways of looking at it.

My misunderstand may have came when I took "hardening" to mean giving a vascualr look?

 

[52_21_30]

"You dont need to, but why wouldnt you"...the side effects and the cost, while not expense is still a cost....i don't understand your opinion here..if you dont need it, then why would you, is a better question in my opinion.

just different ways of looking at it.

My misunderstand may have came when I took "hardening" to mean giving a vascualr look?

Winny is dirt cheap and you're avoiding the sides of joint pain by using deca (or NPP). And as far as looking "hard", you can get that with winny, tren, masteron, and carb depleting/loading diet. EQ vs deca is not going to be the determining factor in whether or not you look "hard"