When does my cypionate kick in?

[joeljuice]

Ok, i'm currently on week 4 of my cycle.

testex elmu 500mg 4 weeks, schering testoviron depot 500mg 9 weeks
deca 600mg 2 weeks, 400mg 6 weeks
propioante 50mg ed 2 weeks

I have gained 13-14lbs and my guns are almost 17". So i have had some mass and muscle gains, also i have had side effects allready.

What pisses me off, is that my sternght wont go up!!! I'm not reached my natural limits, that is sure! My bech is only up like 1-2 reps!!! WTF??? I know that deca and cypionate arent the fastest acting drugs on last cycle deca kicked in weeks 4-5. I train 4 times week, and my workouts are intensity. I'm eating 4000 calories somedayse ven more. I weight about 208 punds now and i'm 6.0, but i have extra bodyfat, so if i would be lean i would weight abouut 185-190.


Fuck! Next time when i hit mass cycle i will be using gram enanthate plus 400-500mg prop to kick start!

 

[joeljuice]

Come on! Some bro who have used testex please tell how long until strenght gains start. Maybe i just dont react to it so good.

 

[slash747]

Hey buddy check youre PM

 

[strengthmonster]

I've used testex and noticed strength gains in week 2 on just 250mg. Either you have fuck all receptors, they are saturated from too much gear or you are not eating enough for recovery.

 

[joeljuice]

I've used testex and noticed strength gains in week 2 on just 250mg. Either you have fuck all receptors, they are saturated from too much gear or you are not eating enough for recovery.

I'm eating enough! Over 250mg protein powder day plus protein from foods. And i eat carbs too pretty much. I use malto pre/post workout.

This is first time i use testosrerone, so i dont know how this is possible! I did deca only cycle few months ago! So how in the hell i have taking too much gear?

Damn every time i go to gym i think that now my strenght is up, but not yet!

 

[joeljuice]

Hell even if i were eating shitty i should see some strenght gains!

How in the hell is my bicep almost inch bigger, but strenght is the same???

 

[strengthmonster]

Sorry to say this but if what you say is true then you have bad genetics. Deca will still saturate receptors as we don't have different ones for each steroid. I fail to see how you can have no increase in strength if you are on so much gear (which sounds legit) if you are eating so much. You mention powders as your main sources of protein and carbs - what about solid foods? You should be getting at least 6 solid food meals. Also are you sleeping enough?

 

[joeljuice]

Sorry to say this but if what you say is true then you have bad genetics. Deca will still saturate receptors as we don't have different ones for each steroid. I fail to see how you can have no increase in strength if you are on so much gear (which sounds legit) if you are eating so much. You mention powders as your main sources of protein and carbs - what about solid foods? You should be getting at least 6 solid food meals. Also are you sleeping enough?

No my main source for carbs is real food, but main source for protein is whey protein.

I just dont get it! If i dont have any better results by next week i quit this cycle. There is no use to contiune if strenght wont come up! My main goal is have muscle, but offcourse i wanna have strengh gains too! I sleep 7-10 hours at night, i sleep 7 hours i usually take nap on day.

Seems like steroids cause side effects to me and thats it

Jesus, i guess that i should take 1000mg test, fina 150ed, winstrol 100ed, dbol 100ed to see some strenght gains

 

[strengthmonster]

I really hope you didn't take that as a flame as I really do want to help you. It seems to me that if you have put an inch on your arms but have no strength then you must have added water as more muscle and strength go hand in hand. This says to me something is wrong. If you wanna mail me with a more detailed explanation of your diet and training then maybe I can help.

A start would be to add other sources of protein as Whey does not contain the full spectrum of aminos needed for growth. You could start by simply adding a couple of spoons of dried milk powder (casenate) for a broader range of aminos. Then look at adding chicken, beef, eggs, fish etc. I reckon more gear will just mean more androgens; hence more water retention/bloating and other side effects.

 

[joeljuice]

I really hope you didn't take that as a flame as I really do want to help you. It seems to me that if you have put an inch on your arms but have no strength then you must have added water as more muscle and strength go hand in hand. This says to me something is wrong. If you wanna mail me with a more detailed explanation of your diet and training then maybe I can help.

A start would be to add other sources of protein as Whey does not contain the full spectrum of aminos needed for growth. You could start by simply adding a couple of spoons of dried milk powder (casenate) for a broader range of aminos. Then look at adding chicken, beef, eggs, fish etc. I reckon more gear will just mean more androgens; hence more water retention/bloating and other side effects.

I did not take that as a flame But i'm pissed of, as you can understand.

Oh btw i'm using arimidex, so could all my gains be water from deca???

Ok i will send mail to you.

 

[strengthmonster]

I'll check it tonight, when I get back from the gym mate.

 

[slash747]

I had the same problem , my strength did not go up until week 5. But I am on 600mg of EQuipose also.

Could there be a fake batch of Testex circulating out there?

I have all the sides of test, but none of the strength came until week 5, now im really noticing it. Im 200 no water or fat retention started at like 182. im in my 6th weeek now.

Ive also been taking arimidex .25mg EOD.

Sides include :
Hairloss, Acne on face and back, Agressiveness and also a feeling of well being. Hair and nails are growing like a freakin werewolf I do not have time to cut them. Even chest hairs are growing back withing 2 days.

Ive been eating, sleeping , and training like a champ. I think the testex is something else. One of my idiot friends said that they gave me estrogen injenctions instead of Test. I had to laugh this kid is stupid.

 

[joeljuice]

I had the same problem , my strength did not go up until week 5. But I am on 600mg of EQuipose also.

Could there be a fake batch of Testex circulating out there?

I have all the sides of test, but none of the strength came until week 5, now im really noticing it. Im 200 no water or fat retention started at like 182. im in my 6th weeek now.

Ive also been taking arimidex .25mg EOD.

Sides include :
Hairloss, Acne on face and back, Agressiveness and also a feeling of well being. Hair and nails are growing like a freakin werewolf I do not have time to cut them. Even chest hairs are growing back withing 2 days.

Ive been eating, sleeping , and training like a champ. I think the testex is something else. One of my idiot friends said that they gave me estrogen injenctions instead of Test. I had to laugh this kid is stupid.

I ´have exactly same sides! Acne on face havent check my back few days Also hairloss, extragrowth in bodyhair, but not fucking strenght gains!

Dunno what the hell is going on

 

[joeljuice]

BUMP!!!!

I cannot believe that it is fake. I never heard that fake testex exists.

More opinions ?

 

[joeljuice]

If testex is usuall like this then i dont like it. Slow and gives all the sides. Luckyly the hairloss stopped when i started to use nizoral.

Imo there should be some unbelievable gains, because there is so much sides. Seems like testex is bad choice if sides and gains are compared.

I have all the same sides as slash so we are using same stuff. And those are definilately sides of testosterone.

The reason most one od these :

500mg test is not enough for me or cypioante is damn slow acting ester!

 

[Hugh Gellatts]

You should be happy with the size gains...unless you are a powerlifter?

I don't get much strength gain either off test alone, except suspension with limited anti-estros (bloat leverage). Try throwing in a low dose of tren, halo, winstrol or anavar, that should kick up the poundages (additional CNS stimulation, phosphocreatine uptake, etc).

 

[joeljuice]

You should be happy with the size gains...unless you are a powerlifter?

I don't get much strength gain either off test alone, except suspension with limited anti-estros (bloat leverage). Try throwing in a low dose of tren, halo, winstrol or anavar, that should kick up the poundages (additional CNS stimulation, phosphocreatine uptake, etc).

No my main goal is to have awesome body, so i'm bodybuilder! But iw would be great to put more plates on the bar too.

My only hope is that next week the testex will kick ass!

Well i will do cutting cycle right after i have done clomid therapy. I guess i will hit tren 75ed, plus winstrol 50ed, Iranian enanthate 500mg and maybe some anavar for post cycle.

Anyone else?

Oh and thanks for the replies bro's.

 

[joeljuice]

bump

 

[slash747]

Bumpm really curious now.....

 

[bbigman2000]

Hey Joel,
Well what can i say bro, you are making awesome gains in body weight you are holding water and you have gained a inch on your guns in 3 weeks, hell man this is good.
Now with regard to your strength gains, well i can tell you that, some strength gain is down to water retention in the muscle giving you more leverage, however the real true strength gain comes from tendons, sadly these are slow developing and only time will give you this, I can tell you that even on 1250mg test weekly the average gain in strength on a compound movement like a bench press is 1 rep on your first working set every 2-3 weeks, that is good average progress, you cannot expect faster strength gains than that, you will notice better gains in strength on leg movments most likely though, as to a degree the whole body is involved in squats etc.
Also, your training must be tuned to gain strength, it is NOT easy, you must, fight for every rep bro, you must go to failure and beyond on every set, you must walk out of that gym shttered and worse, you must be sore for three- five days per muscle group, this is essential, gear is a start, but true hardcore training is the key to a phsyique that others seem to lack, you must keep working set reps between 6-12 max, to gain strength you must control the weight on the way down and then power the weight up with explosive energy, anyway I am ranting, my answer is address your training joel, that is where the problem lies.
No one likes to hear it, but it is my guess that this is your problem, day after day i walk into my gym and see guys on juice doing the same weight day in day out, they are not gaining, they are stagnant, apply your self bro and you will attain your goals.

bbigman2000

 

[slash747]

Hey Joel,

I did 245 8 reps which for me is really good. I was doing 185 8-10 reps before I started my cycle. I doubt that can be accounted to the equipose.

Im thinking that the arimidex and the lack of water retention also has something to do with it.

bbigman2000 makes a really good point, I never really tried to push myself to the next level when I started my cycle. All I rem,ember is my 5th week I just said fuck it and started upping the weight a little more each workout and I was actually amazed that I was able to do it.

Again I thought it might have been fake due to it took 5 weeks for me to notice my strength gains. But then again I weighed myself today and im 200 up from 182 when I started a little over 6 weeks ago. I cant seem to break the 200 mark though...

 

[joeljuice]

Hey Joel,
Well what can i say bro, you are making awesome gains in body weight you are holding water and you have gained a inch on your guns in 3 weeks, hell man this is good.
Now with regard to your strength gains, well i can tell you that, some strength gain is down to water retention in the muscle giving you more leverage, however the real true strength gain comes from tendons, sadly these are slow developing and only time will give you this, I can tell you that even on 1250mg test weekly the average gain in strength on a compound movement like a bench press is 1 rep on your first working set every 2-3 weeks, that is good average progress, you cannot expect faster strength gains than that, you will notice better gains in strength on leg movments most likely though, as to a degree the whole body is involved in squats etc.
Also, your training must be tuned to gain strength, it is NOT easy, you must, fight for every rep bro, you must go to failure and beyond on every set, you must walk out of that gym shttered and worse, you must be sore for three- five days per muscle group, this is essential, gear is a start, but true hardcore training is the key to a phsyique that others seem to lack, you must keep working set reps between 6-12 max, to gain strength you must control the weight on the way down and then power the weight up with explosive energy, anyway I am ranting, my answer is address your training joel, that is where the problem lies.
No one likes to hear it, but it is my guess that this is your problem, day after day i walk into my gym and see guys on juice doing the same weight day in day out, they are not gaining, they are stagnant, apply your self bro and you will attain your goals.

bbigman2000

Hi bro I guess i'm too impatient, i'm allways impatient and gear makes me more impatient. I try to train even more harder from now on. I changed my training routine 4 times weeks, but now i'm considering to go back heavy duty 3 times week. I go to failure with every workout set, and i use special technigues, like forced reps and partials, but now i will start to do them in every workout!

But still next time when i do bulking cycle i will use gram test, 400gram prop to kick start plus other goodies I was just angry yesterday and plaimed the gear, but it is because of me

Luckyly i'm not the only who has reported that the strenght camed on week 5-6. I talked to few finnish bro's and they said that they will come

Thanks

 

[joeljuice]

Hey Joel,

I did 245 8 reps which for me is really good. I was doing 185 8-10 reps before I started my cycle. I doubt that can be accounted to the equipose.

Im thinking that the arimidex and the lack of water retention also has something to do with it.

bbigman2000 makes a really good point, I never really tried to push myself to the next level when I started my cycle. All I rem,ember is my 5th week I just said fuck it and started upping the weight a little more each workout and I was actually amazed that I was able to do it.

Again I thought it might have been fake due to it took 5 weeks for me to notice my strength gains. But then again I weighed myself today and im 200 up from 182 when I started a little over 6 weeks ago. I cant seem to break the 200 mark though...

Well i just have to hope that same happends to me I just have to be cool now and they will come. I have lifted hard, but i guess i just have train harder

 

[bbigman2000]

Bro, i am not saying that I am a expert but i bench over 445lbs and I front press 300lbs, when i am not down with acne
I have a suggestion, like you I was making poor gains until I did this, i went from a four day a week strategy training all body parts in that time, but when I changed to a 1 body part a day routine, which meant i hit one bodyaprt very intensely every 8 days then my gains started flooding in.I know you may think that your not hitting each muscle hard enough but trust me it works you will make personal bests almost everytime you train when you swap to this method. bbigman2000

 

[joeljuice]

Could it be that arimdex hinder my strenght gains? Water brings more strenght, so i decided that i will drop the arimidex.