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When do you think bodybuilders first started using Growth Hormone?
- Thread starter madmitch
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I'm not real sure ... but I would like to know were i can try and see the differences in the physiques...I to would think that it was around the time of Haney, thats when the phyisques started getting freaky.Theres is no doubt that GH plays a role in the phyisques getting more massive +more freaky/scary year after year.
....wish I could afford it
....wish I could afford itYes muscleup, Growth Hormone does seem to play a big roll.
I talked to one pro bodybuilder who told me that they decided not to use any growth hormone for their last contests, relying completely on diet and steroids etc. They told me they entered the contest in the worst condition they had ever been in, with higher than usual bodyfat and flat muscles.
One thing that always sticks in my mind is what Colgan and a few others said about Growth Hormone.
Basically Steroids can increase the size of your muscle cells, but can not I repeat CAN NOT increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which to start with is governed by your genetics.
However Growth hormone CAN increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which goes beyond genetics.
Think about it, when do you think the Pro's spend alot of their money on GH?
Answer = Contest time
Maybe that is why the Pro's keep getting bigger and bigger at each contest. Each time they compete they are using more GH yes they may be dieting down and look smaller weigh less than offseason but with the help of GH they are actually increasing the number of muscle fibers in their body.
How else can you explain why the Pro's keep competing bigger and bigger each year?
I talked to one pro bodybuilder who told me that they decided not to use any growth hormone for their last contests, relying completely on diet and steroids etc. They told me they entered the contest in the worst condition they had ever been in, with higher than usual bodyfat and flat muscles.
One thing that always sticks in my mind is what Colgan and a few others said about Growth Hormone.
Basically Steroids can increase the size of your muscle cells, but can not I repeat CAN NOT increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which to start with is governed by your genetics.
However Growth hormone CAN increase the number of muscle cells in your body, which goes beyond genetics.
Think about it, when do you think the Pro's spend alot of their money on GH?
Answer = Contest time
Maybe that is why the Pro's keep getting bigger and bigger at each contest. Each time they compete they are using more GH yes they may be dieting down and look smaller weigh less than offseason but with the help of GH they are actually increasing the number of muscle fibers in their body.
How else can you explain why the Pro's keep competing bigger and bigger each year?
the_only_sepe
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word is that arnold,lou and franco used gh, they would go down to the morgue and get injections of gh drawn from dead bodies, u ever seen pumping iron? All of their front teeth have a big gap, also they have distorted looking faces, read about gh on the anabolic review , it will tell you they quit using gh from dead bodies , due to diseases being contracted.
Well the_only_sepe
I find it hard to believe that Arnold, Lou and Franco where running down to the morgue to get injections of GH. However before synthetic GH was manufactured the only way you could get GH was from the pituitary glands of dead bodies.
Arnold and Platz had the most f**ked up Jaw lines of their time though, which could suggest Growth Hormone use.
One of the side effects of too much growth hormone is increased bone growth especially in the hands, feet and jaw.
I find it hard to believe that Arnold, Lou and Franco where running down to the morgue to get injections of GH. However before synthetic GH was manufactured the only way you could get GH was from the pituitary glands of dead bodies.
Arnold and Platz had the most f**ked up Jaw lines of their time though, which could suggest Growth Hormone use.
One of the side effects of too much growth hormone is increased bone growth especially in the hands, feet and jaw.
badazzwhitedude
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madmitch said:
This is correct. Synthetic GH has not been being made all that long. Only in the last decade or so if I remember right.
METHYL MIKE
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I think i remember mike christian sayin he used GH back in the late 80s, i think it was the cadaver-based kind, and i think rich gaspai was maybe one of the first. He was the one who created the super-ripped phase we are now enjoying.
diamonddiceclay
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early 80's
Island Boy
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GH late eighties for sure. I attended a seminar with former Pro Ron Love in 1988. Someone asked him about cycles and in particular deca....Love looked at the guy with pity and told him that Gh was the bomb. he had a Dr. friend in detroit taking care of it. And he was absolutley huge....around 260 with abs. and a tall guy.
Ok so it was invented in the late 60's
Now if I where a competive bodybuilder in the late 60's early to late 70's and I was already using steroids and someone told me about this new drug, GROWTH hormone. What do you think my reaction would be?
Well obviously I would be dying to find out more about it and where I could get my hands on it.
So there is a high possibility that the top guys in the late 70's where using some growth hormone.
Now Lee Priest was asked something like, why are the bodybuilders today so much bigger and ripped than in Arnolds day? Have genetics changed so much in such a short time?
Priest tried to say that it was down to the fact that more guy's are competing and therefore you have a larger genetic pool, so you are going to get some genetic freaks.
Well I say "bullshit" how can a 5 ft 4" dwarf compete today at 230 lb's and 3% bodyfat, when just over 20 years ago the best bodybuilder in the World "Arnold" at 6 ft 2" tall was competing at 235 lb's and probably around 6% bodyfat???????????
As I have said before, steroids cannot alter genetics, but Growth hormone can.
Now if I where a competive bodybuilder in the late 60's early to late 70's and I was already using steroids and someone told me about this new drug, GROWTH hormone. What do you think my reaction would be?
Well obviously I would be dying to find out more about it and where I could get my hands on it.
So there is a high possibility that the top guys in the late 70's where using some growth hormone.
Now Lee Priest was asked something like, why are the bodybuilders today so much bigger and ripped than in Arnolds day? Have genetics changed so much in such a short time?
Priest tried to say that it was down to the fact that more guy's are competing and therefore you have a larger genetic pool, so you are going to get some genetic freaks.
Well I say "bullshit" how can a 5 ft 4" dwarf compete today at 230 lb's and 3% bodyfat, when just over 20 years ago the best bodybuilder in the World "Arnold" at 6 ft 2" tall was competing at 235 lb's and probably around 6% bodyfat???????????
As I have said before, steroids cannot alter genetics, but Growth hormone can.
pittsburgh*
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just for the record Lyle Alzado died of AIDS....
his immune system was destroyed by HIV which leads to cancers in some cases.
his immune system was destroyed by HIV which leads to cancers in some cases.
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The Shadow
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I think the first one to use the Insulin/Growth for massive results was Yates between 92 and 93. The improvements made were incredible, and this was after his first Olympia win.
FirstTimeUser0001
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I'm not sure who led the way in the GH use, but madmitch is definitely on the right track. GH is the only thing that has been shown to cause hyperplasia (an increase in the number of muscle cells), everything else just causes hypertrophy (an increase in the size of the existing cells.)
Just one more thing, why do you think the pro's are always bitching and complaining that it costs them too much money to compete?
Steroids are not that expensive even in relatively large quantities. Therefore I would say most of the bitching is because of the price of Growth Hormone.
Don't know how much you pay for GH in the States, I heard $50 for 4 iU's. In the UK it is about £60 or approx $90 for 4 iU's.
Considering the minimum effective dose is 4 iU's per day and you need to use it for at least a couple of months to get the full benifit, that's going to end up pretty expensive.
Ok so 8 weeks of GH at 4 iU's per day will cost a minimum of $2800 in the US and $5040 in the UK.
How many of you are willing to fork out almost 3 grand for just Gowth Hormone alone? Fot just an 8 week cycle?
Steroids are not that expensive even in relatively large quantities. Therefore I would say most of the bitching is because of the price of Growth Hormone.
Don't know how much you pay for GH in the States, I heard $50 for 4 iU's. In the UK it is about £60 or approx $90 for 4 iU's.
Considering the minimum effective dose is 4 iU's per day and you need to use it for at least a couple of months to get the full benifit, that's going to end up pretty expensive.
Ok so 8 weeks of GH at 4 iU's per day will cost a minimum of $2800 in the US and $5040 in the UK.
How many of you are willing to fork out almost 3 grand for just Gowth Hormone alone? Fot just an 8 week cycle?
I have also heard the arnold rumer in 1980 for his last mr. O. madmitch I have never bought GH but I have heard most people on this board quote between 400 and 800 for 126 IUs so they pay less than 7 and IU, but if some of the guys are right about ronnie colman using 42 IUs a day the would be a lot of money.
There is just so much incorrect information out there about GH. Cadaver GH was first produced in the 50's. J.C.'s disease was the most common illness transfered via this method, with the last new case identified in the 70's. Synthetic Gh eliminates this problem. Supplementing GH will NOT cause acromeglia.....abnormal bone growth. It will increase the symptoms in those who already suffer from the disease, of course. The normal individual has natural defense mechanisms to minimize the effects of exogenous GH, so huge doses will not lead to improved results. Those who have acromeglia lack these defenses, and have the facial distortion and giantism seen in those who have the disease.
A proper 12 week cycle costs 1800 or less, and is well worth it if you compete or otherwise make a living from your appearance, or are over 50, like myself. You can't win big shows without GH/insulin these days.
GH has many other benefits,including mood enhancement, smoothing and improving the skin, leanness with mass, joint and ligament strengthening.........I've used it for many years, and would never be without!
A proper 12 week cycle costs 1800 or less, and is well worth it if you compete or otherwise make a living from your appearance, or are over 50, like myself. You can't win big shows without GH/insulin these days.
GH has many other benefits,including mood enhancement, smoothing and improving the skin, leanness with mass, joint and ligament strengthening.........I've used it for many years, and would never be without!
Island Boy
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ironmaster, at 1800.$ u.S. for 12 weeks...how many i.u.'s daily...thanks?
