Whats up with PRE-PCT???

[PuraVida]

Hey Ross, nice to meet you. Iam not a plat member and I cant find this pre-pct thread. Do you mind pointing me in the right dirrection.

Iam currently at the end (week 17) of my 20 week bulker.

Here is my cycle.
Week 1-4 30mg D-bol
Week 1-10 500test/600eq
Week 10-20 600test/800eq
Week 15-18 30mg D-bol

PCT - I was planning to do 1500 HCG 3 times a week for three weeks plus nolva and clomid for a month.

I want to include this new pre-pct but I dont know what it is. Can you elaborate or steer me in the right direction.

Thanks

 

[Ross]

Hey Ross, nice to meet you. Iam not a plat member and I cant find this pre-pct thread. Do you mind pointing me in the right dirrection.

Iam currently at the end (week 17) of my 20 week bulker.

Here is my cycle.
Week 1-4 30mg D-bol
Week 1-10 500test/600eq
Week 10-20 600test/800eq
Week 15-18 30mg D-bol

PCT - I was planning to do 1500 HCG 3 times a week for three weeks plus nolva and clomid for a month.

I want to include this new pre-pct but I dont know what it is. Can you elaborate or steer me in the right direction.

Thanks

Hey bro, check out my Anabolic Bible, it goes over all of this in detail: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?t=543986

 

[Mrpumped]

No disrespect intended but it's just a made up name for saying: Use a fast acting steroid for 2-3 weeks before starting PCT. That's all; That simple.

 

[Ross]

No disrespect intended but it's just a made up name for saying: Use a fast acting steroid for 2-3 weeks before starting PCT. That's all; That simple.

NO, that is a FINISHER.

Pre-PCT(Active Recovery) is used AFTER the Finisher and must consist of ONLY NON-suppressive anabolic steroids such as Primobolan, Anavar, Dianabol, Turinabol, Proviron and Masteron, in VERY LOW DOSAGES, allowing the HPTA to BEGIN recovering while still in an ANABOLIC STATE.

 

[Mrpumped]

NO, that is a FINISHER.

Pre-PCT(Active Recovery) is used AFTER the Finisher and must consist of ONLY NON-suppressive anabolic steroids such as Primobolan, Anavar, Dianabol, Turinabol, Proviron and Masteron, in VERY LOW DOSAGES, allowing the HPTA to BEGIN recovering while still in an ANABOLIC STATE.

So, if I was at the end of my cycle and I wanted to do 2-3 weeks of a low dose of Primo, Var, D-bol, T-bol, Prov, Mast(begining the day after last injection) this is what you are calling Pre-PCT? We're talking, no HCG, Nolva, Clomid during this time right? I think I'm understanding what you're reffering to but I want to make sure. It wouldn't be advisable for an individual to go into PCT after last injection. Like: Nolva and HCG together with some Vitamin E and an AI for 2 weeks. Then dropping those and going with Clomid and AI for another 2-3 weeks.

 

[Ross]

So, if I was at the end of my cycle and I wanted to do 2-3 weeks of a low dose of Primo, Var, D-bol, T-bol, Prov, Mast(begining the day after last injection) this is what you are calling Pre-PCT? We're talking, no HCG, Nolva, Clomid during this time right? I think I'm understanding what you're reffering to but I want to make sure. It wouldn't be advisable for an individual to go into PCT after last injection. Like: Nolva and HCG together with some Vitamin E and an AI for 2 weeks. Then dropping those and going with Clomid and AI for another 2-3 weeks.

Weeks 1-6: Dianabol, 30mgs ED (Jumpstart)
Weeks 1-10: Testosterone Enanthate, 500mgs (Base)
Weeks 8-12: Winstrol, 50mgs ED (Finisher)
Weeks 12-18: Primobolan, 200mgs (Pre-PCT)
Weeks 12-18: Proviron, 50mgs (Pre-PCT)
Weeks 18-?: HCG (PCT)
Weeks 18-?: AI (PCT)
Weeks 18:? Clomid (PCT)

 

[CBAR]

Are you saying to use HCG, an AI and clomid for PCT at the same time?

18-21 500 ui eod
18-21 AI as needed
18-21 clomid say 50mg ed

????????

 

[CBAR]

bump

 

[Ross]

Are you saying to use HCG, an AI and clomid for PCT at the same time?

18-21 500 ui eod
18-21 AI as needed
18-21 clomid say 50mg ed

????????

I wouldn't use HCG for that long, but everything else looks OK.

 

[solidspine]

PCT - I was planning to do 1500 HCG 3 times a week for three weeks plus nolva and clomid for a month.

What you have planned, nice and simple has never let me down, and always worked just fine.

 

[PuraVida]

What you have planned, nice and simple has never let me down, and always worked just fine.

Yeah Iam not going to complicate things to much. Iam going to take some d-bol at 10mgs for two weeks after my last shot then just do my pct as planned.

 

[Ross]

Yeah Iam not going to complicate things to much. Iam going to take some d-bol at 10mgs for two weeks after my last shot then just do my pct as planned.

Nice.

 

[dballed]

so puravida your PCT will consist of after last shot

take 10mgs D-bol E/D for 2 weeks then start on 1500 HCG 3 times a week for three weeks plus nolva and clomid for a month.

correct? this sounds simple, im getting so confused reading too much!

 

[pacebria]

 

[njmuscleguy]

Ross,

So you're suggesting either 200mg primo ED or 300mg masteron ED for Pre-PCT (along with say, proviron)? That's a pretty penny just for active recovery! What is a good alternative to primo / masteron to use with provrion.

 

[Pat_McCrotch]

I think he means primo 200mg a week and masteron 300mg/wk. doing that much everyday si like doing a cycle.

 

[PuraVida]

so puravida your PCT will consist of after last shot

take 10mgs D-bol E/D for 2 weeks then start on 1500 HCG 3 times a week for three weeks plus nolva and clomid for a month.

correct? this sounds simple, im getting so confused reading too much!

Yup, I have never tried this pre-pct b4. Might as well give it a shot. D-bol is cheap and its goes in fast and leaves fast. So the day after my last pill I will start with one pill a day of nolva and clomid and 1500 HCG 3xweek.

 

[lifthard2005]

Ross,

So you're suggesting either 200mg primo ED or 300mg masteron ED for Pre-PCT (along with say, proviron)? That's a pretty penny just for active recovery! What is a good alternative to primo / masteron to use with provrion.

no bro, i think Ross means per week, not per day.

 

[Ross]

no bro, i think Ross means per week, not per day.

PER WEEK! LOL

That would be a HEFTY dosage at ED LOL

 

[worldclass]

Does it bother you at all that the Univ of Iowa study and several after that show that there are no stages of recovery for the HPTA, it's either producing sex hormones or not? So taking the steroids that you recommend for a "finisher" or "pre-PCT" will have no influence on recovery. Once you've introduced high levels of androgens simply lowering the blood levels will not begin the process of recovery, nor will it influence recovery, until the androgen levels match those of your genes.

Have you all gone mad? These theories were disproved a decade ago and now you're going to bring them back? It's tapering and it doesn't work.

 

[Ross]

Does it bother you at all that the Univ of Iowa study and several after that show that there are no stages of recovery for the HPTA, it's either producing sex hormones or not? So taking the steroids that you recommend for a "finisher" or "pre-PCT" will have no influence on recovery. Once you've introduced high levels of androgens simply lowering the blood levels will not begin the process of recovery, nor will it influence recovery, until the androgen levels match those of your genes.

Have you all gone mad? These theories were disproved a decade ago and now you're going to bring them back? It's tapering and it doesn't work.

Are you saying that 200mgs of PRIMOBOLAN causes just as much HPTA suppression as 200mgs of DECA!?

There is a difference between being SHUTDOWN and have a reduced testosterone level(to varying degrees)