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What's the frequency, Kenneth?

Dial_tone

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There seems to be alot of talk lately regarding training frequency and what is the ideal for maximal gains. After 27 years of lifting (mostly) I have decided the answer is.........it depends.
Often times beginning trainers are told to train the entire body three times per week, say Mon-Wed-Fri. This is actually good advice. The reason being if you're new to lifting you're only recruiting a very tiny percentage of the available muscle fibers during an exercise. Since very little of your muscle is actually doing any work you can easily be fully recovered in 48 hours. This is also why some newbies feel like they need to do 15-20 sets per bodypart to get a good workout.
On the other end of the spectrum are pro bodybuilders. These guys are recruiting a VERY high percentage of the available muscle fibers on each and every set, hence the reason Mike Mentzer could do 4-6 sets per bodypart and be completely wiped out...needing days to recover. Many top pros now train each bodypart once per week.
I spent the 20 years believing twice per week was the sweet spot, with each bodypart getting 10-13 sets of work plus warmups. Now my intensity is such that I have a very hard time recovering from that workload. I found myself needing to skip workouts at least once a week. My age is likely a factor in that of course. Recently I switched to once per week training, alternating lifting days with cardio days. I try to stay right at 15 sets per bodypart so that number is up a tiny bit. This feels perfect to me. I can still make gains. I don't have to "save anything" for tomorrow's workout. If I were to compete again I would up the frequency to three times every two weeks.
 
DT, it depends on what you're goals are.
a full body workout 3 days a week isn't going to help your bench or squat.
so if you're lifting for power or strength, thats not the way to go.
(trivia: do you know what REM was referring to in that song?)
 
good post DT..i agree with sugar a lot of BB'ers forget you really do need to get stronger before you can get bigger..
 
wnt2bBeast said:
good post DT..i agree with sugar a lot of BB'ers forget you really do need to get stronger before you can get bigger..

:)
i like it when i'm right.
i think a full body workout every other day or every 3 days is good to start with- learning proper form and geting your CNS going- after that i think it depends on your goals.
i'm not a bodybuilder and rarely work biceps or forearms or target certain muscles or i'd have to add in an extra lifting day, but i try to hit larger groups with more complex movements (like deadlifts)
 
I'm right, of course. She's just tryin to make me look bad cuz I won't have sex with her. :)
 
Sugarplum said:
DT, it depends on what you're goals are.
a full body workout 3 days a week isn't going to help your bench or squat.
so if you're lifting for power or strength, thats not the way to go.
(trivia: do you know what REM was referring to in that song?)

It was referring to an ass-beating Dan Rather got one day; apparently the guy kept asking that.
 
I've never been able to get away with training bodyparts more than 1x per week, unless I am specializing on just one or two parts.
 
Dial_tone said:
I'm right, of course. She's just tryin to make me look bad cuz I won't have sex with her. :)

lol. what you talkin' about, willis?
hey, fix your sig- i'm not becoming's avatar anymore.
 
Dial_tone said:
It was referring to an ass-beating Dan Rather got one day; apparently the guy kept asking that.

you are correct!
In 1986, Dan Rather was chased, pummeled and kicked on a Manhattan sidewalk by a well-dressed man who kept asking "Kenneth, what is the frequency?"
His assailant turned out to be William Tager, 49, who's serving a 25-year prison sentence for killing an NBC stagehand outside the Today show studio. Tager told a psychiatrist that he thought the news media was beaming signals into his head. One of his obsessions apparently was to find out the frequency of the signals.

now we gotta figure out what your prize is.
 
at this point it feels like i may need 4-5 days to fully recover back, quads, chest, delts

but bis/tris/calves seem to recover much quicker
i am trying to have a second day of these muscle groups and it seems to be working
 
I'll hit lagging bodyparts twice in a week, but only for a month or so until they catch up. Other than that, once a week is going nicely.
 
d3track said:
at this point it feels like i may need 4-5 days to fully recover back, quads, chest, delts

but bis/tris/calves seem to recover much quicker
i am trying to have a second day of these muscle groups and it seems to be working

eat more protein. also, try glutamine- its awesome for recovery.
 
i'm at 250-300g protien per day right now, only weigh 205-210
and use glutamine peptides, 10g ed

i feel good about my workouts when it takes 4 days to recover, good session
 
Dial_tone said:
I spent the 20 years believing twice per week was the sweet spot, with each bodypart getting 10-13 sets of work plus warmups. Now my intensity is such that I have a very hard time recovering from that workload.

See that's the thing. You can train each muscle group 2-3 times a week, you just have to not train to failure or near it all the time. Failure is not a requirement for growth. I'd check out the
HST webpage if you'd like to learn more about this concept.
 
Sugarplum said:
DT, it depends on what you're goals are.
a full body workout 3 days a week isn't going to help your bench or squat.
so if you're lifting for power or strength, thats not the way to go.

Not so fast. There are many strength athletes that train their lifts 3 times a week or even more. Especially olympic lifters, some of them train even more often.
 
Debaser said:
Not so fast. There are many strength athletes that train their lifts 3 times a week or even more. Especially olympic lifters, some of them train even more often.

show me
 
there's a russian squat routine that goes EOD for 6 weeks but every other workout is a light day.
 
Debaser said:
Not so fast. There are many strength athletes that train their lifts 3 times a week or even more. Especially olympic lifters, some of them train even more often.
the body can withstand a huge amount of stress but only over a short amount of time without the aid of AAS..they love their halo :biggrin:
 
Olympic lifts are done so fast there's comparitively little stress on the muscle tissue.
 
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