What's best for post workout?

[dgee]

Whey + a fast acting carb is all you need. I've used dextrose in the past, some use maltodextrin.

Lately I've been using waxy maize starch, then whey with a small amount of dextrose 15 minutes later. Alot of people on some of the other forums have been praising the waxy maize starch - it's the stuff in Vitargo. You can buy it in bulk for much cheaper. PM me if you are interested in where to order, since I don't think it's allowed to post the site here.

There is nothing special about Proglycosyn, and I could give a shit if Ronnie Coleman uses it or not. As you can see, it's whey isolate + dextrose, with a few extras - l-glutamine and creatine. The debate over the usefulness of L-glutamine has been beaten into the ground, but I think it's safe to say that it's no longer supported like it once was. Glutamine peptides are the thing now, apparantly - just look at all of the supporters of G-covery. Also, many will tell you that creatine monohydrate is a waste and that CEE (creatine ethyl ester) is the way to go.

I won't tell you what you should or shouldn't use, but I think you should be aware that you can find quality whey isolates very reasonably priced, and dextrose is dirt cheap. The fact that SNAC charges $52 for 20 servings of Proglycosyn is completely absurd.

BTW, dgee, have any of your 3 posts been about something other than Proglycosyn? Just wondering...

FYI alphaIII...no not all 3 of my post are about Progycosyn. I actually had more back in the day and I have been a member of this board for awhile now but I lost all of my post when the server went down. Were you even around when that happened?

I was only trying to help answer the original posters question with a fool proof product to take out any guess work. Them asking this question means that they do not have the knowledge nor want to go through the headache of being a mad powder scientist mixing raw powders together in their kitchen.

You bring up the cost of Proglycosyn, but yet you recommend a product that is even more expensive and it does not even contain the same things as Proglycosyn that you would have to add in addition to waxy maize starch.

And I only mentioned Ronnie because the poster doesnt know me from alphaIII and I thought it might give a bit of validity to my recommendation by using Ronnie.

You dont want to get into a pissing match with me alphaIII....I have way more accomplishments than you think and if we did comparisions you would more than likely lose!!!

 

[alphaIII]

FYI alphaIII...no not all 3 of my post are about Progycosyn. I actually had more back in the day and I have been a member of this board for awhile now but I lost all of my post when the server went down. Were you even around when that happened?

Then I apologize, but I saw another post of yours and it was basically the same thing - a Proglycosyn advertisement. I supposed I shouldn't just assuming things, but 2 out of 3 posts...well you might see why I made that assumption.

BTW, I have been around the boards since fall of 2001, and switched to this username last Feb.

I was only trying to help answer the original posters question with a fool proof product to take out any guess work. Them asking this question means that they do not have the knowledge nor want to go through the headache of being a mad powder scientist mixing raw powders together in their kitchen.

Understandable, but your post doesn't need to be an ad for a single product, when there are other similar products designed for PWO. And adding statments like "When you look at the science and human biology it just makes sense. That is why you see it on Ronnie Colmans kithen counter in his DVD." makes it sound like this product is something revolutionary (which it isn't), and it looks like a blatant advertisement.

You bring up the cost of Proglycosyn, but yet you recommend a product that is even more expensive and it does not even contain the same things as Proglycosyn that you would have to add in addition to waxy maize starch.

I mentioned waxy maize starch, which btw can be had for $7 a pound, because so many individuals on other forums are praising it. I didn't recommend it, just said I've been giving it a try and knew where he could buy it for $7 a pound instead of paying the insane costs some companies charge for it.

I did recommend a high GI carb, ie. dextrose or maltodextrin. Last I checked, dextrose is the carb in Proglycosyn, and as I mentioned, dextrose by itself is dirt cheap.

You dont want to get into a pissing match with me alphaIII....I have way more accomplishments than you think and if we did comparisions you would more than likely lose!!!

I don't get in pissing matches with people over the internet - its pointless.

 

[alphaIII]

definte argues from both sides....however more and more and more are coming over to the low carb side and loving it....no crash feeling and recovering just as quickly..plus, it's 10x better for your health. we werent meant to ingest pure sugar....look what happens to our heart and teeth when we do.

I still am medium to low....highest id go would be rice cakes and cold cereal...I like cold cereal and a thick shake...easy to digest and all organic whole grain or oat flour cereal, so it's good.....it's the fing splenda by the gallon i need to ditch..and the sf gum!

I actually gathered a bunch of studies not too long ago dealing with this very subject, and they've just sat on my hard drive. I need to read them at some point. I do agree that low GI over pure dextrose makes sense from a overall health perspective, but you have to remember we are talking 1 time a day, 3-4 times a week for most people, in a situation ideal for insulin sensitivity and glucose uptake by muscle tissue. I just don't see there being health risks if the rest of the diet is in check.

Again, not saying low GI for PWO is inferior, just that I havent seen enough YET to sell me on that instead of high GI for PWO. I need to look at those studies at some point though.

And I hear you on the splenda and artificial sweeteners - I still chew alot of sf gum, but at least I've cut down on the diet soda and splenda packets.

 

[dgee]

AlphaIII, You are a better man for your response to me and I respect your maturity. But you can see why I responded the way I did when it felt as though I was getting attacked and I apologize for my harsh response to you.

There are not a lot of specifically formulated post workout products out there, maybe a hand full. I recommended Proglycosyn because I use it and and love it. That is why I singled it out and recommend it every chance I get.

And I totally agree with you on high GI and that we are only using it once per day and the health risk is minimal to none.

 

[alphaIII]

AlphaIII, You are a better man for your response to me and I respect your maturity. But you can see why I responded the way I did when it felt as though I was getting attacked and I apologize for my harsh response to you.

No biggie. I can see how my original post came across that way. As I said I made an assumption, and I shouldn't have.

Bottom line, we both seem to agree on general PWO nutrition, regardless of which specific product we recommend.

 

[nodiggitydave]

so...?

 

[OMEGA]

Glutamine peptides are the thing now, apparantly - just look at all of the supporters of G-covery. Also, many will tell you that creatine monohydrate is a waste and that CEE (creatine ethyl ester) is the way to go.

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that correct about G-covery, the only down fall is the earthyness of it.

Also CEE is only better persay in regards to gram to gram utilization.

 

[Matt Whey]

so...?

PM me and I can give you some tips.....

 

[javaguru]

PW is SOOO fing overrated....trust me....if the rest of your diet is in check

I disagree but I also train each bodypart 2x a week. I consume a workout shake during my workout and it prevents me from "hitting the wall" during my workout and has enhanced my recovery. (20g BCAA's and 40g dextrose)

I haven't used anything illegal in over five years 5'10" 240....
http://photos.yahoo.com/javaguru01

 

[javaguru]

definte argues from both sides....however more and more and more are coming over to the low carb side and loving it....no crash feeling and recovering just as quickly..plus, it's 10x better for your health. we werent meant to ingest pure sugar....look what happens to our heart and teeth when we do.

Sure we were, it's called fruit.