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i've seen stuff like.. pro recover, designed for drinking right after workout.
What's good?
Am I missing out with just food and a protein shake?
What's good?
Am I missing out with just food and a protein shake?
What's best for post workout?
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nodiggitydave
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my gym buddy invested his cash in some of this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DORIAN-YATES-...8QQihZ004QQcategoryZ97034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
He's always recovering much faster than I am.
Why do people recover quicker than others ?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DORIAN-YATES-...8QQihZ004QQcategoryZ97034QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
He's always recovering much faster than I am.
Why do people recover quicker than others ?
Proglycosyn Tubs - The Ultimate Post Workout Recovery Formula
Vanilla Cream
PROGLYCOSYN™ is an advanced 50/50 protein - carbohydrate formulation designed specifically to accelerate post-exercise protein and glycogen synthesis by supplying a unique formulation of dextrose, whey protein isolate, and anabolic nutrients. While glycogen synthesis is important and dependent on an adequate supply of post-recovery dietary carbohydrate, the provision of an adequate supply of dietary protein is just as important to ensure optimal post-exercise muscle protein synthesis - a process that requires a constant supply of dietary amino acids (1).
25 grams Whey Protein Isolates, 25 grams Dextrose, 2.5 grams L-Glutamine, 1 gram L-Arginine, 0.5 grams Magnesium Creatine, 1 gram Creatine Monohydrate, 100 mcg Chromium as Polynicotinate
2.5 LBS
When you look at the science and human biology it just makes sense. That is why you see it on Ronnie Colmans kithen counter in his DVD.
Check it out on www.snac.com
Vanilla Cream
PROGLYCOSYN™ is an advanced 50/50 protein - carbohydrate formulation designed specifically to accelerate post-exercise protein and glycogen synthesis by supplying a unique formulation of dextrose, whey protein isolate, and anabolic nutrients. While glycogen synthesis is important and dependent on an adequate supply of post-recovery dietary carbohydrate, the provision of an adequate supply of dietary protein is just as important to ensure optimal post-exercise muscle protein synthesis - a process that requires a constant supply of dietary amino acids (1).
25 grams Whey Protein Isolates, 25 grams Dextrose, 2.5 grams L-Glutamine, 1 gram L-Arginine, 0.5 grams Magnesium Creatine, 1 gram Creatine Monohydrate, 100 mcg Chromium as Polynicotinate
2.5 LBS
When you look at the science and human biology it just makes sense. That is why you see it on Ronnie Colmans kithen counter in his DVD.
Check it out on www.snac.com
Whey + a fast acting carb is all you need. I've used dextrose in the past, some use maltodextrin.
Lately I've been using waxy maize starch, then whey with a small amount of dextrose 15 minutes later. Alot of people on some of the other forums have been praising the waxy maize starch - it's the stuff in Vitargo. You can buy it in bulk for much cheaper. PM me if you are interested in where to order, since I don't think it's allowed to post the site here.
There is nothing special about Proglycosyn, and I could give a shit if Ronnie Coleman uses it or not. As you can see, it's whey isolate + dextrose, with a few extras - l-glutamine and creatine. The debate over the usefulness of L-glutamine has been beaten into the ground, but I think it's safe to say that it's no longer supported like it once was. Glutamine peptides are the thing now, apparantly - just look at all of the supporters of G-covery. Also, many will tell you that creatine monohydrate is a waste and that CEE (creatine ethyl ester) is the way to go.
I won't tell you what you should or shouldn't use, but I think you should be aware that you can find quality whey isolates very reasonably priced, and dextrose is dirt cheap. The fact that SNAC charges $52 for 20 servings of Proglycosyn is completely absurd.
BTW, dgee, have any of your 3 posts been about something other than Proglycosyn? Just wondering...
Lately I've been using waxy maize starch, then whey with a small amount of dextrose 15 minutes later. Alot of people on some of the other forums have been praising the waxy maize starch - it's the stuff in Vitargo. You can buy it in bulk for much cheaper. PM me if you are interested in where to order, since I don't think it's allowed to post the site here.
There is nothing special about Proglycosyn, and I could give a shit if Ronnie Coleman uses it or not. As you can see, it's whey isolate + dextrose, with a few extras - l-glutamine and creatine. The debate over the usefulness of L-glutamine has been beaten into the ground, but I think it's safe to say that it's no longer supported like it once was. Glutamine peptides are the thing now, apparantly - just look at all of the supporters of G-covery. Also, many will tell you that creatine monohydrate is a waste and that CEE (creatine ethyl ester) is the way to go.
I won't tell you what you should or shouldn't use, but I think you should be aware that you can find quality whey isolates very reasonably priced, and dextrose is dirt cheap. The fact that SNAC charges $52 for 20 servings of Proglycosyn is completely absurd.
BTW, dgee, have any of your 3 posts been about something other than Proglycosyn? Just wondering...
nodiggitydave
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i can't take advice from someone who uses posts for pure advertising...
thanks for the advice alphaiii
thanks for the advice alphaiii
JKurz1, you were one of the ones arguing for low GI carbs postworkout in the past, right?
I know people still can't agree on which is better, high vs. low GI. Actually I guess the argument is whether can low GI do the same thing as high GI in a postworkout situation, without the forced insulin spike.
I gotta say, there is definitely some evidence for both sides of the argument.
I know people still can't agree on which is better, high vs. low GI. Actually I guess the argument is whether can low GI do the same thing as high GI in a postworkout situation, without the forced insulin spike.
I gotta say, there is definitely some evidence for both sides of the argument.
nodiggitydave
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is testosterone levels linked to recover times? (natural levels)
JKurz1
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definte argues from both sides....however more and more and more are coming over to the low carb side and loving it....no crash feeling and recovering just as quickly..plus, it's 10x better for your health. we werent meant to ingest pure sugar....look what happens to our heart and teeth when we do.
I still am medium to low....highest id go would be rice cakes and cold cereal...I like cold cereal and a thick shake...easy to digest and all organic whole grain or oat flour cereal, so it's good.....it's the fing splenda by the gallon i need to ditch..and the sf gum!
I still am medium to low....highest id go would be rice cakes and cold cereal...I like cold cereal and a thick shake...easy to digest and all organic whole grain or oat flour cereal, so it's good.....it's the fing splenda by the gallon i need to ditch..and the sf gum!
alphaIII said:
FYI alphaIII...no not all 3 of my post are about Progycosyn. I actually had more back in the day and I have been a member of this board for awhile now but I lost all of my post when the server went down. Were you even around when that happened?
I was only trying to help answer the original posters question with a fool proof product to take out any guess work. Them asking this question means that they do not have the knowledge nor want to go through the headache of being a mad powder scientist mixing raw powders together in their kitchen.
You bring up the cost of Proglycosyn, but yet you recommend a product that is even more expensive and it does not even contain the same things as Proglycosyn that you would have to add in addition to waxy maize starch.
And I only mentioned Ronnie because the poster doesnt know me from alphaIII and I thought it might give a bit of validity to my recommendation by using Ronnie.
You dont want to get into a pissing match with me alphaIII....I have way more accomplishments than you think and if we did comparisions you would more than likely lose!!!
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dgee said:
Then I apologize, but I saw another post of yours and it was basically the same thing - a Proglycosyn advertisement. I supposed I shouldn't just assuming things, but 2 out of 3 posts...well you might see why I made that assumption.
BTW, I have been around the boards since fall of 2001, and switched to this username last Feb.
dgee said:
Understandable, but your post doesn't need to be an ad for a single product, when there are other similar products designed for PWO. And adding statments like "When you look at the science and human biology it just makes sense. That is why you see it on Ronnie Colmans kithen counter in his DVD." makes it sound like this product is something revolutionary (which it isn't), and it looks like a blatant advertisement.
dgee said:
I mentioned waxy maize starch, which btw can be had for $7 a pound, because so many individuals on other forums are praising it. I didn't recommend it, just said I've been giving it a try and knew where he could buy it for $7 a pound instead of paying the insane costs some companies charge for it.
I did recommend a high GI carb, ie. dextrose or maltodextrin. Last I checked, dextrose is the carb in Proglycosyn, and as I mentioned, dextrose by itself is dirt cheap.
dgee said:
I don't get in pissing matches with people over the internet - its pointless.
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JKurz1 said:
I actually gathered a bunch of studies not too long ago dealing with this very subject, and they've just sat on my hard drive. I need to read them at some point. I do agree that low GI over pure dextrose makes sense from a overall health perspective, but you have to remember we are talking 1 time a day, 3-4 times a week for most people, in a situation ideal for insulin sensitivity and glucose uptake by muscle tissue. I just don't see there being health risks if the rest of the diet is in check.
Again, not saying low GI for PWO is inferior, just that I havent seen enough YET to sell me on that instead of high GI for PWO. I need to look at those studies at some point though.
And I hear you on the splenda and artificial sweeteners - I still chew alot of sf gum, but at least I've cut down on the diet soda and splenda packets.
AlphaIII, You are a better man for your response to me and I respect your maturity. But you can see why I responded the way I did when it felt as though I was getting attacked and I apologize for my harsh response to you.
There are not a lot of specifically formulated post workout products out there, maybe a hand full. I recommended Proglycosyn because I use it and and love it. That is why I singled it out and recommend it every chance I get.
And I totally agree with you on high GI and that we are only using it once per day and the health risk is minimal to none.
There are not a lot of specifically formulated post workout products out there, maybe a hand full. I recommended Proglycosyn because I use it and and love it. That is why I singled it out and recommend it every chance I get.
And I totally agree with you on high GI and that we are only using it once per day and the health risk is minimal to none.
nodiggitydave
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so...?
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I disagree but I also train each bodypart 2x a week. I consume a workout shake during my workout and it prevents me from "hitting the wall" during my workout and has enhanced my recovery. (20g BCAA's and 40g dextrose)JKurz1 said:
I haven't used anything illegal in over five years 5'10" 240....
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