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Ok so I'm about to order my next cycle. I'm gonna run Test Cyp 300mg/ml. Tren E 200mg/ml and Eq 200mg/ml. Dbol first 6 weeks 50mg/day and then whinny last 7 weeks. Want to run this cycle 15-16 wks. Think I'm gonna pre load first two weeks running 900mg test and 600 of the tren and eq.

Now the question. What would be a good AI to run with this through cycle? Gonna run n2guard and hcgenerate through first pin till end of pct.

Really don't want all the water weight with deca is why I'm gonna try tren this time. Gave me a bunch of stretch marks last time from blowing up so quick. Just want lean gains this time around. Be my 4th cycle. I'm 25 yrs old 230lbs 6'1" hit gym 4-5 times a week depending on how sore I am. Another reason why I'm ready to get back on. Love the fast recovery.

I'm open to any suggestions or changes on anything as well as criticism (as I know I'll get plenty)
 
no need to preload all thats gonna do is give you more sides, whats the hurry? run it the same dose all the way thru.

PCT should consist on NTBM post cycle,Unleashed and some Forma\I would run the forma with the cycle also.
 
Surprised noone addressed this..don't run winny 7 weeks bro that's Mega harsh on your liver I wouldn't go over 4 weeks IMO

dig deep,dig hard.whatever drives you to workout hold on to it with everything you got.keep the fire burning
 
Surprised noone addressed this..don't run winny 7 weeks bro that's Mega harsh on your liver I wouldn't go over 4 weeks IMO

dig deep,dig hard.whatever drives you to workout hold on to it with everything you got.keep the fire burning

I figured the n2guard would help out with the liver. But 4 weeks can work. It'll give me more time off of orals between the dbol so that won't b a problem
 
I figured the n2guard would help out with the liver. But 4 weeks can work. It'll give me more time off of orals between the dbol so that won't b a problem

Have u ran dbol before? 50mg for six weeks is overkill, especially if you're looking for lean gains. 30mg ed for 4 weeks is plenty
 
just like radar said, run the forma throughout... not only is it a great preventative, but it also will help with the lean gains and adding extra shred to your physique... rub it on your ches and abs and you will be very happy with the outcome...
 
You don't want water weight gain but are frontloading 50mg of dbol for the first 6 weeks... and triple dose frontloading for first 2 weeks.... my troll alarm is going off here.

13 weeks of orals for a 15-16 week cycle? I bet your liver values will look like those of my alcoholic father. Here is what I would do for a "16 week" cycle using your basic outline.

Test cyp 300mg a week 1-16
Tren ena 200mg a week 1-12 (tren shuts you down massively so would cut it out on week 12 to make your PCT smoother)
EQ 200mg a week 1-14 (cut the eq out early or it will mess with your PCT as it lingers forsever)
Winny 20-30mg a day weeks 15-18 (yes 18 the test cyp will continue to suppress you for 2 weeks after you come off so PCT isn't going to do much the winny will keep you strong and harden your gains up and clears your system rapidly once you come off)
PCT weeks 19-22

For an AI on a cycle like this .5mg of arimidex a day should do the trick.
 
Ok so I'm about to order my next cycle. I'm gonna run Test Cyp 300mg/ml. Tren E 200mg/ml and Eq 200mg/ml. Dbol first 6 weeks 50mg/day and then whinny last 7 weeks. Want to run this cycle 15-16 wks. Think I'm gonna pre load first two weeks running 900mg test and 600 of the tren and eq.

Now the question. What would be a good AI to run with this through cycle? Gonna run n2guard and hcgenerate through first pin till end of pct.

Really don't want all the water weight with deca is why I'm gonna try tren this time. Gave me a bunch of stretch marks last time from blowing up so quick. Just want lean gains this time around. Be my 4th cycle. I'm 25 yrs old 230lbs 6'1" hit gym 4-5 times a week depending on how sore I am. Another reason why I'm ready to get back on. Love the fast recovery.

I'm open to any suggestions or changes on anything as well as criticism (as I know I'll get plenty)

Add anther oral in there
 
Add anther oral in there

Good idea... his liver has a 3 week break to try and get itself straighten out. If he throws another oral in there we can weed people out the genepool faster who say things like "I don't want any water weight but... Imma frontload 900mg of test for the first two weeks and run 50mg of dbol a day."

He should also drink a 2 liter of soda a day (excess fructose strains the liver) and binge drink every Friday night to go with 16 weeks of 17-aa gear... do it up right. Having a liver is for pussies.

Not been back on EF for a while... we are allowed to counter-troll obvious trolls like this?
 
You don't want water weight gain but are frontloading 50mg of dbol for the first 6 weeks... and triple dose frontloading for first 2 weeks.... my troll alarm is going off here.

13 weeks of orals for a 15-16 week cycle? I bet your liver values will look like those of my alcoholic father. Here is what I would do for a "16 week" cycle using your basic outline.

Test cyp 300mg a week 1-16
Tren ena 200mg a week 1-12 (tren shuts you down massively so would cut it out on week 12 to make your PCT smoother)
EQ 200mg a week 1-14 (cut the eq out early or it will mess with your PCT as it lingers forsever)
Winny 20-30mg a day weeks 15-18 (yes 18 the test cyp will continue to suppress you for 2 weeks after you come off so PCT isn't going to do much the winny will keep you strong and harden your gains up and clears your system rapidly once you come off)
PCT weeks 19-22

For an AI on a cycle like this .5mg of arimidex a day should do the trick.

I liked the cycle u outlined. Thanks for the advice. Wasn't trolling lol. Wanted to front load just to get a kickstart on the gear. I know I'm gonna gain water no matter what bro but that's why I'm wanting tren and eq instead of deca. Won't be as bad. I seriously gained 40lbs water weight on a 10 week cycle of deca last time. Yeah I got huge but I don't want that type of huge. There's so many routes to take with AAS and shit and thats why I put it out there so I could get some input from guys like u and RADAR who have done and tried probably everything out there and have the experience on what works best with what. Like I said this will be my 4th or 5th cycle. So I'm a noob to all this. What works for some guys at the gym and they suggest isn't always what's best and good for the body. That's why I figured I'd run it by some guys here.

Thanks everyone for the input
 
You don't want water weight gain but are frontloading 50mg of dbol for the first 6 weeks... and triple dose frontloading for first 2 weeks.... my troll alarm is going off here.

13 weeks of orals for a 15-16 week cycle? I bet your liver values will look like those of my alcoholic father. Here is what I would do for a "16 week" cycle using your basic outline.

Test cyp 300mg a week 1-16
Tren ena 200mg a week 1-12 (tren shuts you down massively so would cut it out on week 12 to make your PCT smoother)
EQ 200mg a week 1-14 (cut the eq out early or it will mess with your PCT as it lingers forsever)
Winny 20-30mg a day weeks 15-18 (yes 18 the test cyp will continue to suppress you for 2 weeks after you come off so PCT isn't going to do much the winny will keep you strong and harden your gains up and clears your system rapidly once you come off)
PCT weeks 19-22

For an AI on a cycle like this .5mg of arimidex a day should do the trick.




Nice lay out ,but you're behind the times when it comes to ai's and PCT.
 
I liked the cycle u outlined. Thanks for the advice. Wasn't trolling lol. Wanted to front load just to get a kickstart on the gear. I know I'm gonna gain water no matter what bro but that's why I'm wanting tren and eq instead of deca. Won't be as bad. I seriously gained 40lbs water weight on a 10 week cycle of deca last time. Yeah I got huge but I don't want that type of huge. There's so many routes to take with AAS and shit and thats why I put it out there so I could get some input from guys like u and RADAR who have done and tried probably everything out there and have the experience on what works best with what. Like I said this will be my 4th or 5th cycle. So I'm a noob to all this. What works for some guys at the gym and they suggest isn't always what's best and good for the body. That's why I figured I'd run it by some guys here.

Thanks everyone for the input

No problem. Water weight is really subjective... you sound like me on it and tend to get extreme water weight gains. I pretty much need letro to not gain a lot of water on anything that is acted on by aromatase. Letro is the only AI I have found to do the job for it. Radar is probably more up to date on modern methods for this. Overall your cycle the way I laid it out should be very low on water weight gains and some people do gain water even on tren (like me) unless I use both letro and winny (winny generally is helpful for me in dealing with some tren sides)... I am personally prone to tren gyno (and bloating)and have had to clear it up a couple times myself.
 
Good idea... his liver has a 3 week break to try and get itself straighten out. If he throws another oral in there we can weed people out the genepool faster who say things like "I don't want any water weight but... Imma frontload 900mg of test for the first two weeks and run 50mg of dbol a day."

He should also drink a 2 liter of soda a day (excess fructose strains the liver) and binge drink every Friday night to go with 16 weeks of 17-aa gear... do it up right. Having a liver is for pussies.

Not been back on EF for a while... we are allowed to counter-troll obvious trolls like this?

I don't thin rip. Deserved that he was just saying how he runs hus CYcle...most people on here runs 2 orals per a cycle fina..not everyone but most

dig deep,dig hard.whatever drives you to workout hold on to it with everything you got.keep the fire burning
 
I'm taking stane now. Needto suggested it to me while using forma during PCT. I love forma. DrewB what do you like so much about stane? I've been on for three weeks.
 
Frontloading you'd want to run 2x the dose for the first two weeks to reach the peak blood concentration (stable equilibrium). I've graphed it out, if you run more than 2x normal weekly doses then you overshoot the peak blood concentration. This will mean more side effects.

Aromasin or Erase with letro on hand is the best combo of AIs to have. Letro is so strong it will even smash prolactin/progesterone sides. Dont wanna run an AI? Run masteron the entire cycle. (keep letro on hand though). Will work as well as winny for combating tren sides if you dose it higher than the test. If you're lean you'll experience much less sides regardless.
 
just like radar said, run the forma throughout... not only is it a great preventative, but it also will help with the lean gains and adding extra shred to your physique... rub it on your ches and abs and you will be very happy with the outcome...

Forma-stanzol

1st Cycle. Beastdrol - Page 3
Hate on it if you want but forma-stanzol works for pct!!!
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/special-thanks-needto-again-again-733825.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/calling-out-needtogetaas-733165.html
explanation of how it works from me ^^^

Forma-Stanzol: Transdermal Formestane.. 6000mg per bottle. Nuff said.
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/b...anzol-designed-needtogetaas-works-715795.html
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/forma-stanzol-review-741171.html
review ^^

by the end of this thread froma-stanzol comes out ahead ans the winner
Superior FORMESTANE Product? CEL Formestane vs MrSupps Forma-Stanzol - Bodybuilding.com Forums


Info on forma

Formastane info
human use of transdermal formastane
Use of 4-hydroxytestosterone to lower estrogen levels in humans - Llewellyn, William Charles

Author L. Rea Management of Anabolic-Androgenic Steroid Side Effects with formastane
Management of Anabolic-Androgenic Steroid Side Effects by Author L Rea

transdermal drug use explanation
Molecular Interventions - CLOCKSS

rate to human dosing
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Drugs/GuidanceComplianceRegulatoryInformation/Guidances/ucm078932.pdf

l-arginine effects on prolactin??
l-arginine effects on prolactin??


Divergent Effects of the Antiestrogen Tamoxifen and of Estrogens on Luteinzing Hormone (LH) Pulse Frequency, But Not on Basal LH Levels and LH Pulse Amplitude in Men


It's been a long time since I got really excited about a new anabolic steroid/Ai. Not since beastdrol and deiaselbolan have I been this Worked up about something. When I came out with beast,deisel,tfo,katanadrol I knew I had some powerful stuff that was going to change he way people look at OTC products. Granted I have some damn good products selling at NTBM right now and I am proud of all of them, but this new product is a product that is going to change the face of the whole Industry. A product I have designed and will be selling at MRsupps.com with in the next 2 weeks called FORMA-STANOZOLOL!!

Now selling at https://www.mrsupps.com/Product-Forma-Stanzol_26.aspx


FORMA-STANOZOLOL really is an amazing compound that should be a part of EVERY cycle - not only for muscle gains and fat loss, but for longevity and health. It's one of the world's most potent aromatase inhibitors that Started out a a prescription drug here in the U.S and is still a prescription drug in other countries under the brand name of Lentaron I.M. Depot®.

The amazing part is Lentaron I.M. Depot® use to be available in the USA, but the government removed it because it was "too anabolic" and it put on muscle. Mrsupps.com FORMA-STANOZOLOL is the EXACT compound found in Lentaron I.M. Depot® and we've attained it due to the current legal loopholes in America. What else have we done? We have enhanced its effects by adding
25mgs DIM
7,8 - Benzoflavone (99%) 25mg
chrysin 4mg
Horse Chestnut seed extract 8mg


Because of the formatane and now added compounds Its anabolic/androgen effects are similar to that of the steroid Primobolan Depot. It also increases IGF-1 levels by an amazing 26%. It also increases HPTA activity and testicular activity similar to a combination of HCG and Clomid!

All of this is backed up by " human" studies. Yes Real human studies don by well known Universities and agencies. Because for the longest time Lentaron I.M. Depot® was a proscrition drug . This was not a drug that got scrapped because it did not work or because other drugs worked better. No this drug lost favor because many years ago the only way to use the drug was through injections. But because of the advancements in Trans dermal delivery Lentaron I.M. Depot® is back. With the help of NTBM and MRsupps.com its more powerful then ever.


Now you cn understand why I will recommend this to be a part of any and every cycle from this day forward. Whether it's to keep your estrogen under control, prevent deca and tren libido [rpblems or to simply create an environment that is more anabolic and beneficial for muscular gains and fat loss.

Its now a fact! The science and studies prove FORMA-STANOZOLOL works better then current prescription aromatase inhibitors on the market (such as Arimidex, Femara, Aromasin, Cytadren, etc.) but at a FRACTION OF THE COST! If one wanted to prevent prolactin,estrogen,progesterone induced gyno and or cycle side effects they may need 2-3 and some times 4 different drugs. Of course each one of these drugs comes with its own set of negative side effects. Some Ai's raise SHBG, some lower IGF-1 and almost all of them leave you feeling weak and brittle.

FORMA-STANOZOLOL decreases SHBG 34% thus increasing androgen activity, which basically makes androgens/steroids in your systems MORE effective WITHOUT any increase in dosage. FORMA-STANOZOLOL Increases IGF-1 levels by a whopping 26% In doing so creates the perfect anabolic muscle building environment on cycle, off cycle and during pct.


FORMA-STANOZOLOL Decreases the number of progesterone receptors (inhibits the trenbolone and “deca-dick” type side effects and increases fat loss. Through "clinical studies its been proven to lower progesterone. Effect of 4-Hydroxyandrostenedione on Murine Leydig Tumor Cell Steroidogenesis -- Zimniski et al. 51 (14): 3663 -- Cancer Research


Effect of 4-hydroxyandrostenedione on murine Leydig tumor cell steroidogenesis.

Zimniski SJ, Brandt ME, Melner MH, Brodie AM, Puett D.

Department of Biochemistry and Molecular Biology, University of Miami School of Medicine, Florida 33101.

The murine Leydig cell tumor (M5480A) possesses high levels of estrogen receptor and is known to produce estrogens. In these studies we examined the effects of the potent aromatase inhibitor 4-hydroxyandrostenedione (4-OHA) on Leydig tumor cell steroidogenesis both in vitro and in vivo. The addition of 4-OHA to Leydig tumor cells in primary culture resulted in a dose- and a time-dependent decrease in media progesterone levels. The observed decrease was most likely due to impaired synthesis of progesterone, inasmuch as no alteration in progesterone metabolism was seen when progesterone levels were diminishing. However, 4-OHA inhibited progesterone conversion to testosterone following 1 h of incubation, but this effect disappeared coincident with 4-OHA metabolism. Analysis of pregnenolone production revealed a biphasic dose-dependent effect of 4-OHA. At low doses (0.01-0.1 microM), 4-OHA was found to decrease pregnenolone concentrations, while at higher doses (1-10 microM) pregnenolone levels were elevated. Therefore, the actions of 4-OHA on Leydig cell steroidogenesis in vitro appear to be multifocal. Other experiments were performed to evaluate the effects of 4-OHA on tumor-bearing male mice in vivo. In these studies, the predominant effects of 4-OHA were to act as an aromatase inhibitor and to inhibit progesterone production. Thus, while 4-OHA is a potent aromatase inhibitor, we have found that this compound may alter steroidogenesis in Leydig tumor cells at several sites prior to aromatization.

PMID: 2065323 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



What is in FORMA-STANOZOLOL
Per serving 10 pump serving
60 servings Per container

100mgs Formestane
25mgs DIM
7,8 - Benzoflavone (99%) 25mg
chrysin 4mg
Horse Chestnut seed extract 8mg


Directions for use.

1. On cycle estrogen and progesterone control.
Apply 3-10 pumps twice daily For up to 10 weeks to upper back,shoulders,arms and abdomen. Strength
of effects are dose dependent. Start of with a lighter dose and work up as needed.

2. Stand alone Anabolic fat burning agent
Apply 7-10 pumps twice daily for 4-6

weeks to upper back,shoulders,arms and abdomen. Strength
of effects are dose dependent. Start of with a lighter dose and work up as needed.

3. For post cycle therapy
apply 3-7 pumps twice daily for 4-6 weeks to upper back,shoulders,arms and upper abdomen


If used at higher doses, conversion to the steroid 4-hydroxytestosterone takes place, which is actually less androgenic than formestane and slightly more anabolic.
If used on cycle it can reduce water retention caused by aromatisation to estrogen, so helping you stay looking lean, and improving your post cycle therapy as recovery will be easier.

Now the best bit is this, There are references as that show that DHT applied in areas with high prolactin can reduce gyno. Here is one:

Benveniste O, Simon A and Herson S. Successful percutaneous dihydrotestosterone treatment of gynecomastia occurring during highly active antiretroviral therapy: four cases and a review of the literature. Clinical Infectious Diseases 2001;33:891-893.

This shows that when in this case dht, but anything strongly androgenic in its actions is applied to gyno where high levels of prolactin are found then gyno can be reduced!!! Now this will work with prolactin induced gyno, as this and at least 6 other studies show.
So not only can Forma-stanozolol, the new break through supplement from NTBM/Mrsupps.com improve gyno the same way masteron can, by preventing estrogen from binding to the estrogen receptor, it can also reduce the size of prolactin induced gyno, as it lowers the amount of progestin receptors available, and seems to act as a slight dopmamin agonist. At the same time studies have shown that it lowers progesterone through its on mechanisms.



So how does it work exactly, Aromatase is an enzyme that synthesizes estrogen. Aromatase inhibitors block the synthesis of estrogen. This lowers the estrogen level, and slows the growth of cancers, And trans dermal formestane is one of the strongest drugs for this, so that means lean ROCK HARD gains on cycle. This is because the androgens can no longer convert into estrogen.. That is good news as it doesn't act like exemestane which forms a permanent bond with the aromatase enzyme, so preventing any estrogen which is bad for your joints and tendons.
Also because of exemestane


So why does gyno happen on cycle?

Bodybuilders who use steroids may experience an increase in estrogen levels , and this has undesirable consequences for a bodybuilder, such as gynecomastia. This is often the case when a natural aromatase inhibitor 4-OHAD has itself been inhibited. 4-OHAD is a metabolite of testosterone, which can mean 4-OHAD remains inhibited whilst aromatase levels are allowed high, so you actualy get even less androgens than normal and higher estrogen levels, so using Forma-Stanozolol can change the ratios allowing the enzyme 4-OHAD to remain active, so limiting estrogen, by increasing testosterone itself through its AI activity, And by preventing estrogen from binding to receptors so preventing gyno, but as it allows some estrogen to circulate, tendons and ligaments are kept strong and healthy.

It has a 12 hour half life wich is great as when used just morning and night it will build up even plasma levels in the blood and be constantly active, so getting full benefits of its AI properties, And through its special ability to stimulate the dopaminergic system, it can prevent prolactin.. so it actualy can PREVENT GYNO BOTH FROM PROLACTIN AND ESTROGEN, and be used to TREAT GYNO FROM PROLACTIN through its abilty to act as a dopamine agonist, its ability to lower progestin receptor count, and its androgenic properties, And be used to TREAT GYNO CAUSED BY HIGH AROMATISATION.s

Yes NEEDTO has done it again...In fact this could even be used to treat and prevent DECA droopiness.

But i havent finished, one more thing makes this perfect not only alone or on cycle but especialy through PCT when estrogen levels rise, problem is if you block estrogen off you get low igf-1 levels... FORMA-stanozolol, Or the main active formestane can increase igf1 levels by a whopping 26 percent!!!

And you know I said it was androgenic... well it is, but it also can reduce BPH, so it even protects your prostrate!!!

And as its a transdermal, you may want to rub it all over your nips for improved action, you see i love milk, but i dont want to make my own, in fact i like boobies but i dont want to grow my own, and FORMA-STANOZOLOL can reduce your chances of either of these ever happening, and believe me for those whove experienced both the former happening, its not nice!!!

Soon ill give you a rundown on one of my favourite supps horse chesnut, or in particular the active found inside, 2 Escin , and why its an AMAZING addition to this outstanding new product FORMA-STANOZOLOL, thats set to make waves as people everywhere look and feel better, stronger, harder, leaner and more vascular.


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Needto I noticed everyone here talking about Forma-stanzol and I find myself a skeptical hippo until I look through the peer reviewed data, as fortunately for us there is extensive human testing of all the older AI's and estrogen blockers. I'll go and do the reading of course because I want to be current but I have a couple questions after scanning over what you posted that stand out a bit, as I rather like letro.

1) It is being claimed to be stronger than other AI's? The primary argument against letro is often that it is too strong and can lower estrogen production so low that one gets reduced gains, cholesterol, potential bone calcium loss, reduced sex drive etc. If something is stronger than a popular drug that is considered by many to be too strong and often avoided, is this a good thing?

2) It says for a fraction of the cost? I get legit human pharmacy letro for about $1 a tab (as personal use/possession is legal in UK). It is so powerful and has along enough half life that I only need half a pill a week (split into smaller doses). I am about to purchase 50 tabs myself for around $50US. Which would, if I stayed on year round, give me a two year supply. $25 for a one year supply is pretty damned cheap. Given that shipped something like that to the UK would run $25 or so for one bottle... and given it may not be approved for human use it might struggle through customs?

I will definitely read up on it, because some of the guys here seem very gung ho about it, but placing the 2 questions above into consideration I very much question it being a stronger AI for less money when compared to something so powerful and cheap like letro. It may be compared to a-dex. On the other hand you did mention some other properties which may be of interest such as potential anabolic action and shbg levels, which would make reading up at least worth my time.
 
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