What're your doses like when cutting?

[Tweakle]

Yes, I realise this is a newb thread on a level with 'can I drink winny?' and 'OMFG I JUST SHOT FIRST TIME WILL MY HARE FALL OUT?' but I'm interested as to the kind of doses you guys run when cutting vs. bulking

couple of the bros in my gym who compete run a g of test+ fina or winny during their comp diets, which is actually more than their year round dose (cycles? what are cycles? ).. interesting to me because I always thought you needed less to hang onto muscle than you did to build it in the first place

 

[2horns]

My doses may be a little lower while cutting, but cutting has to do with your diet, not the gear and the doses.

 

[mendo]

I use the same doses for both.

 

[needsize]

I tend to stay on the same doses, or very close, dieting puts your body into a very catabolic state, where its way too easy to lose your hard earned mass

 

[Tweakle]

thanks ns - can I ask how aggressive is your diet in terms of calorie restriction? I know you paid for it so no details, but I'm curious... and do you switch to more heavier androgens when on a cutting cycle or keep the anabolic compounds high?

 

[Dieselgoku23]

thanks ns - can I ask how aggressive is your diet in terms of calorie restriction? I know you paid for it so no details, but I'm curious... and do you switch to more heavier androgens when on a cutting cycle or keep the anabolic compounds high?

good question I'm looking to cut myself but dont want to loose any strength while I'm on??? bump for info

 

[Smokescreen]

I tend to stay on the same doses, or very close, dieting puts your body into a very catabolic state, where its way too easy to lose your hard earned mass

Can you give us an example of what drugs/doses you use during bulkers and during cutters?

 

[needsize]

Can you give us an example of what drugs/doses you use during bulkers and during cutters?

I dont post my doses anymore, as I cant stand 150lb kids who have done one cycle, commenting that I my doses are too high.
But my bulking cycle was enth/eq/deca, and I stayed on it when I started cutting, only change was to drop the deca from 800mg to 600, I am staying on it though as I am sick of sore joints every time I diet
I am meeting with IFBB pro Laura Binetti in a week, so she will tell me what the cycle needs to look like from that point on

tweakle, I havent paid for anything yet, at this point the diet is the brainchild of myself, and another bodybuilder who has won some pretty major shows all over the world. Its 3000-3200 calories, around 300 grams each of protein and carbs, some EFAs as well, then whatevr fat I get out of chicken and steak

 

[Smokescreen]

I dont post my doses anymore, as I cant stand 150lb kids who have done one cycle, commenting that I my doses are too high.
But my bulking cycle was enth/eq/deca, and I stayed on it when I started cutting, only change was to drop the deca from 800mg to 600, I am staying on it though as I am sick of sore joints every time I diet
I am meeting with IFBB pro Laura Binetti in a week, so she will tell me what the cycle needs to look like from that point on

tweakle, I havent paid for anything yet, at this point the diet is the brainchild of myself, and another bodybuilder who has won some pretty major shows all over the world. Its 3000-3200 calories, around 300 grams each of protein and carbs, some EFAs as well, then whatevr fat I get out of chicken and steak

You calling me a 150lbs kid???? Just fuckign with ya! PM then. I remember what you told me. Just not the dose. Remember Need, we are both the same size and bone structure. You just have way more mass.

 

[Tux]

I have recently realized one of the reasons I lose so much muscle dieting is I tend to use "cutting" gear, which is weaker. I'll use 350/week of test prop and 600/week of eq, and wonder why I lost 15lbs of muscle along with 15 of fat? Then, when i was going to do a competition, I started dieting on 100mg/day of tren acetate, and 30mg/day of winny. I might have had 250mg/week of test enth for HRT purposes but I can't remember. But I was on 700mg/week of tren, plus my favorite oral for strength and hardness. I GAINED a lb or two of muscle while dropping fat quickly. I must have gone from bloated 205lbs 10% and 15lbs water, to 177lbs, 7%, veins everywhere, in 4-5 weeks tops. It was amazing compared to before. I'll never diet with drugs that are overall weaker than what I bulk with, likely I will diet on slightly more than I bulk with from now on.

 

[Makavelli]

You need higher doses to cut than bulk. It's common sense(no offense to anyone here). While dieting the body is in a very catabolic state and the use of heavy androgens is the way to keep all that muscle. Contrary to popular belief D-Bol is a great dieting drug. It will help you keep all your muscle since it's highly androgenic. When bulking your body is in anabolic state all the time due to eating so many calories(or should be, I'm assuming intelligence here) so your dosages can be lower and you'll achieve great gains. I'm not talking about using 200 mgs of test while bulking and then using a G while dieting. But using about 600 mgs of test while bulking and then going to a G while dieting. That's the type of increase you need.

 

[Tux]

Bro mak you just totally contradicted yourself, you should fix that. You meant to say you need higher doses when CUTTING, you said higher when bulking. Then your explanation went on to completely contradict your opening statement. If I were in any kind of decent mood I'd laugh.

 

[Makavelli]

Bro mak you just totally contradicted yourself, you should fix that. You meant to say you need higher doses when CUTTING, you said higher when bulking. Then your explanation went on to completely contradict your opening statement. If I were in any kind of decent mood I'd laugh.

Thanks bro...well you knew what I meant...doing too many things at one time...

 

[Tweakle]

thanks for the input guys, that was very informative... for cutting from 245 to hopefully around 215-220 in single digits I'm thinking 750mg pw test, 50mg ED tren and 50-75 mg winny ed. I want to keep my strength up as I hate the weakness that acompanies dieting

sorry ns, don't know where I got the idea you'd paid for it... 300gs carbs is interesting, I've always gone down to like 100ed in the past and got weak as shit for doing it

pretty much the same stuff I used to bulk with, just a little less tren and more winny

 

[Smokescreen]

You need higher doses to cut than bulk. It's common sense(no offense to anyone here). While dieting the body is in a very catabolic state and the use of heavy androgens is the way to keep all that muscle. Contrary to popular belief D-Bol is a great dieting drug. It will help you keep all your muscle since it's highly androgenic. When bulking your body is in anabolic state all the time due to eating so many calories(or should be, I'm assuming intelligence here) so your dosages can be lower and you'll achieve great gains. I'm not talking about using 200 mgs of test while bulking and then using a G while dieting. But using about 600 mgs of test while bulking and then going to a G while dieting. That's the type of increase you need.

Mak, 600mgs of Test to then up it to 1gram while cutting?! But what about the excess estrogen from 1gram of Test bro? Then how can that be considered....CUTTING???? Won't 1gram of Test while cutting make you look a little bloated during the summer? I know diet helps minimize fat. And sodium helps minimize water retention. But still! Estrogen is estrogen! Right or wrong?

 

[Makavelli]

Mak, 600mgs of Test to then up it to 1gram while cutting?! But what about the excess estrogen from 1gram of Test bro? Then how can that be considered....CUTTING???? Won't 1gram of Test while cutting make you look a little bloated during the summer? I know diet helps minimize fat. And sodium helps minimize water retention. But still! Estrogen is estrogen! Right or wrong?

Right and wrong. Estrogen is estrogen, however by binding up the estrogen with arimidex and blocking the effects with nolvadex, one can be hard as nails and have the muscle too. I always have competitive BB's use anywhere from 600 mgs-2 G's of test as a base in their precontest cycles. That's also the reason that D-Bol can used with great sucess in a cutting cycle. Nothing spares muscle mass like heavy androgens. Diet is key, but proper AAS and ancillary planning can produce shocking results.

 

[Smokescreen]

Right and wrong. Estrogen is estrogen, however by binding up the estrogen with arimidex and blocking the effects with nolvadex, one can be hard as nails and have the muscle too. I always have competitive BB's use anywhere from 600 mgs-2 G's of test as a base in their precontest cycles. That's also the reason that D-Bol can used with great sucess in a cutting cycle. Nothing spares muscle mass like heavy androgens. Diet is key, but proper AAS and ancillary planning can produce shocking results.

Me no likey Adex. What about proviron?

 

[Makavelli]

Me no likey Adex. What about proviron?

Even better if you can afford to run it a 100 mgs/day. Gets pricey. Why don't you like Adex?

 

[Smokescreen]

Even better if you can afford to run it a 100 mgs/day. Gets pricey. Why don't you like Adex?

Kills my sex drive. And I can get proviron dirt cheap. And I read one time in a bodybuilding magazine ( I think Flex ) that it said that proviron is the best anti-e out there. Better than Adex.

 

[Tux]

Hmm... can't wait to try aromasin as my next anti-e... then I've got proviron to try after that. Wonder if I could run like 3g's of enth, aromasin/proviron/nolva and get hard as nails, strong as shit, and water-free? I obviously won't go THAT high on test, but 1-1.5g's is certainly possible!

 

[Makavelli]

Hmm... can't wait to try aromasin as my next anti-e... then I've got proviron to try after that. Wonder if I could run like 3g's of enth, aromasin/proviron/nolva and get hard as nails, strong as shit, and water-free? I obviously won't go THAT high on test, but 1-1.5g's is certainly possible!

I prefer Proviron, but due to the cost I usually will combine arimidex, nolvadex, and proviron. I know that Femara is the worst on the libido.

 

[needsize]

thanks for the input guys, that was very informative... for cutting from 245 to hopefully around 215-220 in single digits I'm thinking 750mg pw test, 50mg ED tren and 50-75 mg winny ed. I want to keep my strength up as I hate the weakness that acompanies dieting

sorry ns, don't know where I got the idea you'd paid for it... 300gs carbs is interesting, I've always gone down to like 100ed in the past and got weak as shit for doing it

pretty much the same stuff I used to bulk with, just a little less tren and more winny

I will be paying for it when I meet with her, but havent met her yet, so am kind of winging it, with some help from another very experienced bodybuilder. Last time I used 200-250 grams of carbs, and lost 1% of bf every two weeks, so no need to go as low as 100

 

[Makavelli]

I will be paying for it when I meet with her, but havent met her yet, so am kind of winging it, with some help from another very experienced bodybuilder. Last time I used 200-250 grams of carbs, and lost 1% of bf every two weeks, so no need to go as low as 100

For my last show I started my diet at 250 grams of carbs and the lowest I got down to was 170 on training days. If you can keep them up there then do it. No need to torture yourself if you don't have to. Unless your masochist...

 

[Dial_tone]

250mg Test cyp
200mg Primo
50mg Winny ED
2,000mcg B-12

 

[needsize]

For my last show I started my diet at 250 grams of carbs and the lowest I got down to was 170 on training days. If you can keep them up there then do it. No need to torture yourself if you don't have to. Unless your masochist...

I hate being weak and flat, so this works much better. Plus, I'm told my calories should be 3000-3200, and without a decent amount of carbs, its hard to get that many from protein. I know Laura Binetti(IFBB pro), who is the trainer I'm going with, will play with them anyway. Right now its probably around 250 from real food, but the condiments like ketchup and stuff add some simple carbs