What would YOU run? Cutting.

[thebigoz]

The thing I love and hate about this board, is the wealth of knowledge and opinions.

I LOVE it, because it helps me so much in terms of educating me. I HATE it because it means I can never make up my fucking mind as a result! haha

I'm about to finish up a bulking cycle in 2 weeks. I'm currently at 207lbs (Up from 190lbs).

I plan on running a cutter after my PCT and getting blood work checked (Basically, I'm following the 'time on=time off' line of thinking for the most part).

I am tossing and turning about what to include in my cutter.

I would anticipate me being around 210-212 by the end of this cycle. Factoring in some lost water weight, I would guess I will maintain a weight of roughly 205-207lbs by the time I'm ready for my cut.

My goals are to not drop lower than 200lbs and lower by BF% by a few %. I am going to get by current BF% tested, but I would estimate that I'm around 11-12%.



Anyway, getting to the point.. I have a few cycles in mind but can't decide on what I want to run. What do you bro's think?


Strange for some, but the question really is... Primo or Tren? I know Tren is much more anabolic and androgenic, but I need to look strongly at my goals here. The point being, if I can achieve my goals comfortably on a Prop/Primo/Var cycle, then I would lean towards running with that.

• Test Prop 75mg ED / 150mg E2D
• Primo 400mg Weekly (200mg twice weekly, or split up in my Prop dosages)
• Var 60mg ED (Possibly up to 80mg)

• Test Prop 75mg ED / 150mg E2D
• Tren Ace 50mg ED / 100mg E2D (Taper up pending sides)
• Var 60mg ED (Possibly up to 80mg)

I want to stick to Test-Prop this time around, rather than Enth. Personal choice...I want the shoter ester.

I was set on a Prop/Tren/Var cycle, but have started to think outside the box on this one.


I know cutting is dependent on diet/training/cardio, but that's not my focus for this topic.



So, with all of this in mind...what would you run?

 

[Piper25]

nothing else holds muscle, keeps you dense and carries aggression like tren. All pros take tren for pre contest and I see no reason why you cant. Tren ace will also kickin quick.

on the flip side Primo is my all time fave for low sides, very low and just general look. It's expensive and who knows if it's eq or not. I t will take a couple weeks for any notice to take form.

In honesty, it will come down to price and how long you are running. I would opt for a 12 week min with primo. which can get pricy with primo.
I am trying tren on my next cycle and I cant wait but currently I am taking eq, primo winny mast and t3/clen and I am shredding by the day.

1-12 eq 400mg
1-12 primo 300mg
1-8 winny 50mg
8-12 masteron 100mg eod

I think most here would go with tren but either will give you what you want with diet cardio.

 

[thebigoz]

Sorry, overlooked the length of cycle. It will be an 8 week cycle. Can't do anything more at that point in time.

I think the hardness from the Primo and Var will help me achieve my goals. I'm not desperate for any major strength/aggression increases, given it's a cutting cycle. I'm happy to save that for bulks.

Tren is so damn enticing... I guess one concern is the sides, namely the androgenic strength it carries with it.

 

[AAP]

You did a bulker
--------->

Now you will do a cutter
<---------

Bulk
--------->

Cut
<---------

--------->
<---------
--------->
<---------
>>>
<<<

up and down goes the yo-yo. and your body too.

Which isn't very good is it? Sooooooooo... what I would suggest is this :

Forget the cutter. You just spend time and energy successfully (I hope or else you = fail) adding overall mass to your body. What you need to do right now is allow your body time to adjust to the extra - meaning NEW - mass so that it can make the gains solid. You really are not going to make any gains solid by jumping into a calorie restricted diet soon. And by "cutter" you really did mean a calorie restricted diet was going to be the basis of how you got ripped didn't you? Because we all know there are no "cutting" drugs out there that burn fat. Except meth maybe. Good luck with that.

So back to this fairytale.... You add the mass and take at least six months post cycle working on maintaining it and forcing your body to adjust. The human body, despite being a marvelous and complex machine, is still very stubborn. If given the chance it will revert back to a state that is "normal" for it. And what it considers normal is based on internal factors such as genetics and system functions and external factors such as the nutrients it is given to work with. But you don't want "normal" do you? No. You want BIG. So you therefore you have to make your body accept it's current state as the new "normal" it is going to have. Only way you can do that is with time, gym effort, solid diet and rest.

Once that occurs - which in your case will be six months, two days, 7 hours, 29 minutes and at precisely 6:02PM on a Thursday, then you can introduce your body to another cycle so it can make it's new "normal" even better. Not a bulker, not a cutter. Inside this will be an "enhancement" cycle. Where you take your current condition and increase it with this cycle 10%.

Why 10%? Because a 10% increase is easier to adjust to, support and keep than a 30% increase will.

Then you take time off again, maintain, reset your body to it's new "normal" checkpoint for the next several months, rinse and repeat with another 10%.

You can't crash into the condition you want to be in (or envision as your ideal) overnight or with just two cycles and expect to keep it. But if you take it one step at a time and ease your body into that over a period of time you will be surprised at how much less effort is required to hold this condition and that you can then divert to improving upon it instead of just maintaining it.

But to answer your drug question, I would suggest the next cycle being more anabolic in nature like with primo, anavar, proviron.

 

[Makavelli]

I would run test, primo, and var. I wouldn't take tren. I've done research lately on tren and it seems it could lead to congestive heart failure over time.

 

[thebigoz]

Thanks AAP. I get where you're coming from in terms of letting the body adapt and adjust.

I don't have any qualms with cutting down. It will be two months + after I finish my bulk that I start to cut. I think I will have given myself adequate time to let my body recover.

 

[thebigoz]

I would run test, primo, and var. I wouldn't take tren. I've done research lately on tren and it seems it could lead to congestive heart failure over time.

Thanks brother. Good to know.

 

[2DIEZEL]

Test/primo/var is the healthiest and less toxic way to go.....But i prefer test/tren/mast/winny

 

[thebigoz]

I'm still testing the water in terms of how hard I can go on the androgens, so things that are notoriously bad (Mast/Winny) in that sense are not on the cards just yet. Once I feel more comfortable, I will throw them in.

This is probably the main reason why I'm steering towards Primo instead of Tren.

 

[HAYEZ]

Lol at heart failure from Tren. Anything used In
Moderation is ok. Abuse equals problems.

 

[burnthiscorpse]

You did a bulker
--------->

Now you will do a cutter
<---------

Bulk
--------->

Cut
<---------

--------->
<---------
--------->
<---------
>>>
<<<

up and down goes the yo-yo. and your body too.

Which isn't very good is it? Sooooooooo... what I would suggest is this :

Forget the cutter. You just spend time and energy successfully (I hope or else you = fail) adding overall mass to your body. What you need to do right now is allow your body time to adjust to the extra - meaning NEW - mass so that it can make the gains solid. You really are not going to make any gains solid by jumping into a calorie restricted diet soon. And by "cutter" you really did mean a calorie restricted diet was going to be the basis of how you got ripped didn't you? Because we all know there are no "cutting" drugs out there that burn fat. Except meth maybe. Good luck with that.

So back to this fairytale.... You add the mass and take at least six months post cycle working on maintaining it and forcing your body to adjust. The human body, despite being a marvelous and complex machine, is still very stubborn. If given the chance it will revert back to a state that is "normal" for it. And what it considers normal is based on internal factors such as genetics and system functions and external factors such as the nutrients it is given to work with. But you don't want "normal" do you? No. You want BIG. So you therefore you have to make your body accept it's current state as the new "normal" it is going to have. Only way you can do that is with time, gym effort, solid diet and rest.

Once that occurs - which in your case will be six months, two days, 7 hours, 29 minutes and at precisely 6:02PM on a Thursday, then you can introduce your body to another cycle so it can make it's new "normal" even better. Not a bulker, not a cutter. Inside this will be an "enhancement" cycle. Where you take your current condition and increase it with this cycle 10%.

Why 10%? Because a 10% increase is easier to adjust to, support and keep than a 30% increase will.

Then you take time off again, maintain, reset your body to it's new "normal" checkpoint for the next several months, rinse and repeat with another 10%.

You can't crash into the condition you want to be in (or envision as your ideal) overnight or with just two cycles and expect to keep it. But if you take it one step at a time and ease your body into that over a period of time you will be surprised at how much less effort is required to hold this condition and that you can then divert to improving upon it instead of just maintaining it.

But to answer your drug question, I would suggest the next cycle being more anabolic in nature like with primo, anavar, proviron.

I always enjoy reading your posts bro. Makes a ton of sense too.

 

[sonicwaste]

what are your exact goals?

I will run cutters in 2 different ways... If I am trying to gain LBM while dropping a little bodyfat, I will use multiple componds.

If I am trying to shred up big time, LBM gain isn't a factor so I will only run test + AI. And the goal is obviously to preserve and test works just fine for me to preserve muscle and be anti-catabolic.

If you were pre-contest or cutting up for a photoshoot that would be another story and you would obviously require more compounds.

In my opinion if you are cutting hard it is sometimes overkill and a waste of gear and $$$ to run a big stack when your ultimate goal is just to preserve muscle and be anti-cat

 

[thebigoz]

what are your exact goals?

I will run cutters in 2 different ways... If I am trying to gain LBM while dropping a little bodyfat, I will use multiple componds.

If I am trying to shred up big time, LBM gain isn't a factor so I will only run test + AI. And the goal is obviously to preserve and test works just fine for me to preserve muscle and be anti-catabolic.

If you were pre-contest or cutting up for a photoshoot that would be another story and you would obviously require more compounds.

In my opinion if you are cutting hard it is sometimes overkill and a waste of gear and $$$ to run a big stack when your ultimate goal is just to preserve muscle and be anti-cat

I want to get to about 7-8% BF. I will 'prime' leading up to it, so I'll start at around 10% at the MOST.

Having said that, adding a few more lbs of LBM is never going to be a bad thing either

For me, I think this is the perfect time to throw in a compound that I haven't tried before, otherwise I would just run with a Test-E cycle and hit the T3/Clen.

The hardness that I should get from the Var/Primo is definitely something I want to achieve/experience. It's not a cheap cycle, but we all know that this shit is worth it