What Would You do

[Pitty]

Everyone here has been very helpful thanks again.

I have been doing as much research as I can. Read a couple books and checked out this message board for about three weeks.

I am trying to plan my first cycle and have gotten quite a bit of conflicting information.

I am 6' and 190lbs 37 years old and have been lifting for over 5 Years.

My question is what would you do for your first cycle include any anti-estrogen and clomid or any post recovery. I would like to only do an eight week cycle for my first time. The number one issue is I am looking for what will give me the least side effects. (I know this will very from person to person) But on the average what is my best bet.

Guys thanks for your time to help educate a newbie.

 

[scarkarn]

You should put you cycle in posts acking for advice(or atleast the cycle your thinking of). But if this helps i'm on my first cycle and am not taking anti-e's but i do have them on hand just in case. Also post cycle recovery is always a good idea.

 

[mlong23]

20mg Dbol Everyday for 4-5 weeks
200-400 mg Test Cyp. for 8-10 weeks
If taking 400 mg. take injections 2X week
Follow up with Clomid + Nolva
Maybe add HCG and/or Clenbuterol

 

[tapoutm]

"The number one issue is I am looking for what will give me the least side effects"

20mg Dbol Everyday for 4-5 weeks
200-400 mg Test Cyp. for 8-10 weeks
If taking 400 mg. take injections 2X week
Follow up with Clomid + Nolva
Maybe add HCG and/or Clenbuterol

please explain why you told him this!!!!!!

 

[RADAR]

20mg Dbol Everyday for 4-5 weeks
200-400 mg Test Cyp. for 8-10 weeks
If taking 400 mg. take injections 2X week
Follow up with Clomid + Nolva
Maybe add HCG and/or Clenbuterol

2 times per week is the best..however i believe clomid is sufficient!
Run 300mg day one, 100 mg day 2-6,50mg day another 7 days

RADAR

 

[cdownie927]

2 times per week is the best..however i believe clomid is sufficient!
Run 300mg day one, 100 mg day 2-6,50mg day another 7 days

RADAR

i also agree with this regimine

 

[genarr3]

"Least side effects" - EQ, Anavar. For outwardly noticable sides that is.

 

[Pitty]

Thanks for the info guys.

What about going for "Primobolan Depot" for 8 weeks at about 200mg to 300mg per week.

The most important thing is this will be my first cycle, so I am looking for something with as few side effects as possible. I would Like to add about 15lbs of muscle.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

 

[lartinos]

What side effects are you worried about. If hair and acne are what you're worried about then don't do test. Otherwise do it.

 

[buckwheat1]

I would go with EQ at 400mg/wk and add a some test if you like at 250mg/week or even less.


EQ only converts to estrogen at about 1/2 the rate that test does. It almost is never associated with hairloss or acne , etc.

If this cycle goes fine without any issues, then the next you can bump up the test.

I am 40 and I also am concerned about sides like hairloss, prostate, acne, etc. So my first cycle had no test. Although I did use dbol at the beginning.

My next cycle I will add a small amount of test, since I did not really experience any sides to speak of.

 

[Pitty]

Thanks again guys.

The sides I am most worried about is Aromatization, Liver problems and HPTA fuction. Of course hair loss, prostate and acne would be lower on the list of worries.

Also if I were to use Deca is stacking with Test the only way to avoid Deca Dick. Or could I stack Deca with EQ or Primo depot to eliminate Deca Problems.

Thanks Guys

 

[sh4dowf4lcon]

Thanks for the info guys.

What about going for "Primobolan Depot" for 8 weeks at about 200mg to 300mg per week.

The most important thing is this will be my first cycle, so I am looking for something with as few side effects as possible. I would Like to add about 15lbs of muscle.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

Primo should be run @ a higher dose than 200mg weekly and use sust with it for better results.

I suggest:

• Wk1-2 run 500mg Primo
• Wk3-8 run 400mg Primo
• Wk1-8 run sust @250mg
• Wk 9 run 500iu Hcg ED 6days
• Wk11 run Clomid

The Hcg will make your balls big which makes the clomid more effective. You should not need any anti E with this schedule.

 

[buckwheat1]

For the libidio issues, I don't think primo or EQ will solve them. There both very moderate androgenics. I believe you can run into low libidio on them as well, if running them alone.

Test or proviron could be added if/when symptoms start to appear.

I ran dbol with Deca and did not experience any issues.

 

[Pitty]

Guys this information is great.

As you can see I am trying to avoid running test because of the above stated side effects that worry me. However if I ran Primo depot or EQ what is the least amount of Test I could use and still get results. Maybe I am being a baby but some of the test sides worry me.

Also if you run test with Deca does it always counter act Deca's side effects.

Again this is my first cycle so I would like to keep my cycle to eight weeks and use as few different types of gear as possible.

Thanks Gentlemen

P.S. Why are so many people anti Deca I just ask because the two books I read seem to favor Deca.

 

[mcpsean]

EQ 400mg week 12/weeks that was my first (only) cycle and absolutely loved it. I ended with 50mg of winny for 4 weeks, however you are looking for low sides, so you may want to keep that off. The other thing is that you are looking for a short cycle. People are not joking when they say run EQ for a very long time. 12 weeks was not enought for me, i did not even notice the EQ for 6.5 weeks.

p.s. you will need alot of money for food.