what should i expect from this cycle?

[perfectspecimen]

my fiance is doing her 4th cycle. she is 5'8" 125lbs 12%bf athletic build, size 0

she is doing
week 1-3: primobolan oral 50mg/ed, proviron 25mg/ed
week 4-8: primobolan oral 50mg/ed, winstrol 10mg/ed
week 9-12: winstrol 15mg/ed, proviron 25mg/ed

week 4-14: clenbuterol 80-120mcg/ed 2 w on 2 w off
week 7-12: cytomel 25 up to 75 and slowly down to 25

she has used all of these drugs alone before

she does cardio everyday for 30 min in the am
and trains 5 days a week in the pm

her goals are to get toned/solid with definition.
to be about 135 with 8%bf, size 2-4

what should her diet consist of?

thanks

 

[tripleV]

i dunno.....cant really say what u will get, everyone is different......so

but u ask what her diet should consist of? man that should be thought out before this cycle

i cant really comment on the cycle (not experienced with stacked cycles) except thats alot of shit and proviron? not too sure about that....

i guess i could say she better eat and eat enough god damn protein.....

 

[Temple]

PS - are ya listening to anything that we have said to you????
Anyone who is at a place where the need this kind of a cycle should be on this board giving the advice not asking us what to eat. The reason that she has not got the results that she wanted from her previous cycles has NOTHING to do with the drug - it has to do with diet and training and adding more drugs to the mix isn't going to make any difference. What does she/you think she should be eating???

 

[perfectspecimen]

i never said she didnt get anything from previous cycles.
she did

she thinks her diet should be 40 protein 40 carbs and 20 fat.

does that look ok

 

[MS]

So she's hoping to gain 10+ lbs of muscle while losing 4%bf? If she's made good gains off of previous cycles and she's NOW only 125lbs at 5'8", I gotta ask was she anorexic when she started training and AAS?? What kind of cycles and gains has she got in the past and on what kind of diet. We kinda need to know where she's started from and how she's got to where she is, diet-wise and otherwise, in order to give you specific diet advice for this cycle.

 

[perfectspecimen]

she was 115 before with about 12%bf.
she didnt have any muscle tone or definition.

she has a lot more muscle and strength now.

 

[new@gettinbig]

that weight is scary!!!! She is way to tall to weigh that much...tell her to get off the fuckin treadmill and quit doing cardio....she doesnt need any...just train heavy and eat like a MOFO....at least 1-1.5 grams of protein per lb....6-7 meals a day...some good complex carbs....she needs to put on some meat...make her cycles worth while...at her size etc...i would not be putting her on primo and winny....i would actually have her come off and build a good solid base first......she is way to skinny!!!

 

[perfectspecimen]

she doesnt want to be a bb. she wants to tone up and get definition, she had virtually no muscle tone before she started her first cycle.

 

[BronzedGoddess]

We understand that she does not want to be a bodybuilder but she is very thin and she CAN NOT build any muscle just by taking a pill. She has to eat enough calories to GROW and cardio is only going to make her have to eat even more calories. You say she doesn't want to be a bodybuilder, then why do you have this girl taking BB drugs? 3 cycles and only a 10 pound weight gain. She's obviously not eating right so she cant keep her gains. Maybe she needs to see a doc for hyperthyroidism (sp?) because things just are not adding up. You need to write down EVERYTHING she eats and then you can evaluate the situation. She may not even need drugs........just FOOD! I hope I didn't come off as bitchy.

 

[Sassy69]

she had virtually no muscle tone before she started her first cycle

Eat & Lift!

The best anabolic: meat!

Does she want to compete? 8% is a brutal bf to maintain year round. Frankly her goals are close to my target for competition day - I'm 5'7" - thought I have a larger frame I imagine. Off season (Never been on the "skinny side"). Is this a competition goal or a maintenance goal?

If she is targeting a competition then she might want to schedule it with enough time to run a bulking cycle to get more size and then a cutting cycle. If she's not targeting a competition, then I wouldn't go after an aggressive cycle and then expect to maintain 8% indefinitely.

Its my bet that if she wants to compete in a non tested show, she's gonna have to have more mass than she is shooting for. I pulled off 133 lbs at 8% in a natural show and I wasnt' what I would call 'big'. Even lean as shit, the muscle is gonna weigh more. With her height she can carry more size & still be proportional.

Just my opinion. But in BB, its not the cycles you run, but the diet & training that you do.

 

[takniteasy]

Just a couple of comments. I read over the thread and I did not see where anyone said anything about your fiance becoming a BB. If that idea was PM'd to you then I apologize. It looks like she has had an eating disorder. In order for her to realize any gains from her cycle she needs to EAT ALOT. And eat clean. IMO, with her height and current weight, no matter how many cycles she does, she will not put on the kind of mass to be even remotely considered a BB. Meaning if she has only put on 10 lbs with three previous cycles, she is not going to put on enough mass with another cycle.

Please get your fiance on the board so she can learn from other women like her. She really needs to be here herself, taking care of herself. And learning how to achieve the physique goals she desires to but in a healthy way.

BTW, she will get no definition if there is nothing there to define.

 

[perfectspecimen]

i will try to get her to sign up.

but who ever said she wants to be a bb. she doesnt.
she is only about 130 but she complains that its mostly fat bc she has no muscle. she trains hard but just cant get rid of the fat and put on muscle.

 

[Temple]

i will try to get her to sign up.

but who ever said she wants to be a bb. she doesnt.
she is only about 130 but she complains that its mostly fat bc she has no muscle. she trains hard but just cant get rid of the fat and put on muscle.

She won't until her diet is in order - by diet I mean food intake not restriction. It doesn't matter how many drugs she throws at the problem it will do little until the foundation is in place. What she is doing is a fairly agressive BB cycle. I have read back thru your previous posts and there seems to be a real focus on the drugs - there is no magic bullet hun.

Has she started this cycle yet and if so where is she at in it??

 

[perfectspecimen]

cycle is supposed to start end of may.

she has trained clean for years before starting aas. she didnt have much progress before aas. her body transformed on her first cycle, she got very hard and lost a lot of fat.

her main concern is that she doesnt want to gain a lot of weight or get bigger in the waist. if you see her now you would know there is a lot of room to put on muscle if she lost fat.
that is what she is trying to do.

so what are your suggestions about her diet.
she trains 6 days a week also.

she also chose primo bc it is effective on a restricted calorie diet.

 

[takniteasy]

maybe she is having difficulty because of the restricted calories. Perhaps bump up the protein a bit and lower the carbs. She may be able to put on lean mass and minimize the fat gains. However, if she continues to restrict her calories, she could wind up wasting the cycle.

I thought clen and cytomel were to lean out? She seems pretty lean already. I am not well educated on those two drugs as I have never used them but from what I have read they are used after a bulking cycle. Could someone clarify this for me and others who dont know?

Also, all of the cardio that she is doing might be catabolic. Can she cut down the cardio a bit to preserve what lean mass she puts on? As for losing fat to make room for muscle, maybe someone could enlighten me on how that is done? It seems to me that your fiance does not have a whole lot of fat left to lose. 12% is well below average and to want to maintain 8% would probably jepordize her health and ability to have children. I have a good friend who maintained 10% or less for at least 6 years (she was a fitness competitor) and is now trying to concieve. She has gone back up to approximately 15% BF and stopped competing well over a year ago, however she has not begun her menses again. She may not ever begin again. Oh the price we pay for vanity

I hope she can get on this board before she starts her cycle. She may learn she doesnt need or want it in the end. Please try to get her here so the experienced ladies can help her out.

 

[perfectspecimen]

so you think she should cut down on the cardio?

and eat more protein and limit carbs right?

she isnt too lean in her opinion. the stomach and bum are her trouble areas. she cant get rid of the fat there. the rest of her body is good.

would yohimburn help with the trouble areas?

 

[Temple]

My advice to her would be this:
forget the above cycle - too much risk of irreversible sides
Increase her protein to at least 1.5g protein per # of bodyweight
Cycle her carbs
Reduce the amount of cardio that she is doing
Topical Yohimburn on problem areas
If she inisits on AAS get a good quality anavar (anything other than IP) 10mg/d -
Train HEAVY - each bodypart 1x week

 

[perfectspecimen]

anavar isnt very pleasing. she did 10mg spa anavar for 8 weeks.
she was bloated all over, like how i get on dbol.
she will never use anavar again.
she loved winstrol though.

thanks

 

[takniteasy]

what Temple said. As for trouble spots, Yohimburn can help but it aint no miracle.