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Christian.
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word to your mom i came to drop bombs
IHateBrolies
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I subtly reprazent whateva will get me what I want.
But at the end of the day, I am an atheist and depend and reprazent my damn self.
But at the end of the day, I am an atheist and depend and reprazent my damn self.
bodytemple75
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I am Roman Cotholic. But I do not believe,...and consider myself an athiest, when it comes to anything about religion. Normally, on anything else, I am an open minded person, and believe almost anything is possible, but when it comes to religion, I have to say,"The most simple explanation is usually the correct one." Just my opinion, but I respect everybody's religion, and as long as it's making them happy,... cool.
Is there a God, a Force, a Chi, a Movement, an Energy that controls the Cosmos to some respect?
My friends, go outside, pick a leaf off of a tree, split the leaf into many small sections, put one of the small sections under a microscope. What do you see?
You see fibers of the plant, the flow of microcrystalline chlorophyll, endless numbers of atoms make up this small section of the leaf that you are looking at. For that leaf to live and flourish, the sun, rain, earth from the ground is needed. Before the leaf, there was just a sprout, before the sprout there was a seed from another plant. All of this to make a leaf that includes millions and millions of seperate entities. All of this perfect conglomeration to make this leaf(section of the leaf).
Now, check out the human body, its gazillion times more complex and intricate than a section of leaf from a tree. Just imagine what has to go on for you to function and live. The pancreas must produce insulin, the heart must pump blood(which has millions of seperate entities within and purpose for the human body), this must do that, that must do this, all this shit that even the most top notch scientist, doctors cannot explain in full detail is going on so we can breathe, so we can live. We are all from the earth, all connected by energy, we have no batteries, we just are.
So many , many meaning "infinite" different items have to come together for you to be you. And there is not just one of you, there are billions of you.
Take a look at pictures from space upon the earth, we live in a globe, a protected atmosphere, troposphere, mesophere thermosphere and stratosphere, the sun gives the earth life, the moon has its job, the stars have there role, everything in this universe has a role in our existence.
Still, some of you deny the existence of a God, a Force, a Chi, a Movement, an Energy, etc. You think you just are because of whatever reason you like to come up with, mainly because of the incorrect way Religion was delivered to you. Organized Religion of today is garbage on the exterior, its played out if you will. God, Chi, Energy, Force is not some dude in the sky lounging on a cloud with a white beard. Its much more beautiful and respectful than that, its impossible to comprehend, its the unknown.
The big bang theory and all of its little variations pretty much sum up how life came to be(in all aspects of life). But, nothing just blows up into infinite amounts of pieces and comes together so perfectly like it has without a Hand waving it all into its specific location and place in space.
When you die, you live, your body decomposes, goes back into the earth, where you came from, your energy takes a trip, no energy is ever deceased, no energy dies, it just goes elsewhere.
This has nothing to do with religion, philosophy, etc, it has to do with common sense.
There is "something" that created you, just wanted to let you know this.
My friends, go outside, pick a leaf off of a tree, split the leaf into many small sections, put one of the small sections under a microscope. What do you see?
You see fibers of the plant, the flow of microcrystalline chlorophyll, endless numbers of atoms make up this small section of the leaf that you are looking at. For that leaf to live and flourish, the sun, rain, earth from the ground is needed. Before the leaf, there was just a sprout, before the sprout there was a seed from another plant. All of this to make a leaf that includes millions and millions of seperate entities. All of this perfect conglomeration to make this leaf(section of the leaf).
Now, check out the human body, its gazillion times more complex and intricate than a section of leaf from a tree. Just imagine what has to go on for you to function and live. The pancreas must produce insulin, the heart must pump blood(which has millions of seperate entities within and purpose for the human body), this must do that, that must do this, all this shit that even the most top notch scientist, doctors cannot explain in full detail is going on so we can breathe, so we can live. We are all from the earth, all connected by energy, we have no batteries, we just are.
So many , many meaning "infinite" different items have to come together for you to be you. And there is not just one of you, there are billions of you.
Take a look at pictures from space upon the earth, we live in a globe, a protected atmosphere, troposphere, mesophere thermosphere and stratosphere, the sun gives the earth life, the moon has its job, the stars have there role, everything in this universe has a role in our existence.
Still, some of you deny the existence of a God, a Force, a Chi, a Movement, an Energy, etc. You think you just are because of whatever reason you like to come up with, mainly because of the incorrect way Religion was delivered to you. Organized Religion of today is garbage on the exterior, its played out if you will. God, Chi, Energy, Force is not some dude in the sky lounging on a cloud with a white beard. Its much more beautiful and respectful than that, its impossible to comprehend, its the unknown.
The big bang theory and all of its little variations pretty much sum up how life came to be(in all aspects of life). But, nothing just blows up into infinite amounts of pieces and comes together so perfectly like it has without a Hand waving it all into its specific location and place in space.
When you die, you live, your body decomposes, goes back into the earth, where you came from, your energy takes a trip, no energy is ever deceased, no energy dies, it just goes elsewhere.
This has nothing to do with religion, philosophy, etc, it has to do with common sense.
There is "something" that created you, just wanted to let you know this.
IHateBrolies
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I thought this post was rather presumptive and ignorant.Irie said:
IHateBrolies
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Would you class gravity or relativity theory with 'God'?Irie said:
Are you done yet? I mean, it's so obvious, I don't need to hear it anymore --- I'm convinced. You don't even need to provide any reason. Defying reason with baseless examples is enough to convince me.Irie said:
I am an atheist, but I definitely don't deny the existence of a force or an energy. I see evidence all around me --- gravity is one similar example.Irie said:
I don't think I need to regard unknown forces and realities with irrational reverence. What one person worships religiously, another man observes using reason. Show an ancient tribe a hair dryer and they will think you are 'God'.
Your big bang argument is flawed, because a "first cause" doesn't need to be a 'God' waving it's hand, and it is possible that the universe had no beginning in time.Irie said:
Your inteligent design argument is flawed because:
A. Not all complex/intelligent things in our universe are observed to have complex/intelligent causes.
B. All intelligent causes are observed to be in our universe, and physical intelligent beings. If 'God' is a physical intelligent being, it is part of the universe - so what caused 'God'?
C. In B, if you say that 'God' is the one exception to explain all, then I have many other exceptions that could also be true.
Your last paragraph was common sense, but your previous paragraphs, and the inferences of all of your paragraphs, were not. You also seem to assume that an atheist would deny any cause or underlying force, which is pretty funny.Irie said:
Thanks so much.Irie said:
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IHateBrolies
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LOLIrie said:
I was the only one to make any valid points. I think you should think not only deeper, but more strictly and honestly.
IHateBrolies
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Ok Mr. Free SpiritIrie said:
, you can work outside of reason and proper argument all you want, but don't claim to have made proper arguments. With that, we can agree to disagree.And I am currently blazing off some nice Indian hash.
IHateBrolies said:Ok Mr. Free Spirit
And I am currently blazing off some nice Indian hash.
We could go toe to toe on this piece, but what would it accomplish, you're not going to make me change my mind and vice versa, no matter what is posted, point of my post was that "something created you", give thanks to that, be appreciative, also, if we did debate on this do you know how long each post would be, too long, and I'm not going to put effort into something like that when I know you will not budge no matter how accurate I am, or vice versa, so, I read your points, I understand them, I disagree, if we were in person it would be different, I feel you would change your thoughts a bit, "indian hash" huh, not a fan of hash.
IHateBrolies
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Agreed... I have fallen into that trap too many times on this board. I can see your point of view as well, I think.Irie said:
Indian hash is all I can get in Hong Kong... I wish I could get some acid here too.
IHateBrolies
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plornive... suspended from not paying...
maybe I'll bring it back soon.
maybe I'll bring it back soon.
bodytemple75
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Irie, you do reallize, that some people in this world may disagree w/ you on religious topics? To say you know something that nobody on the planet can prove, is just being ignorant. None of your babble in your last post supported your argument to prove anything. "Common sense?"...What was your point? The transgression of energy, does not give any credibility, to any religion, or religious feats. That was hard science, not anything else. Religion is based on "faith" not science. It was all "your" speculation! Why must you constantly add to the argument,..."You will change someone else's mind about an existance of a "God" entity." Some people called "athiests" think that the bible has as much credibility as Snow White & Santa Claus, (may be rude, apoligize,...but, the truth) while others do not, and believe it wholeheartedly. That is completely fine! I have stated myself, that I respect everybody's views and religious/non-religious standpoints many times, why can't you, it seems? Everytime a thread comes up w/ a religious topic it seems many people who "believe" (not all mind you)seem to have a real problem accepting that many others do not share/believe in their views, to support religion/God, as well. IMO. Why can't you just accept it, and stop pushing your views on others?...That is insulting, and very disrespectful.
I respect all religious practices/views, regardless of whether I may agree/ disagree w/ them. Everyone is entitled to their own views & practices.
I respect all religious practices/views, regardless of whether I may agree/ disagree w/ them. Everyone is entitled to their own views & practices.
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IHateBrolies
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Keepin it real through an intra-cranial injection of reason and rational thought. Good post, but obviously believers of most sorts wish to associate the conclusions of their faiths with those of science and logic. No one with let him/her -self to become convinced otherwise.bodytemple75 said:
Karma to you.
BO-DEN
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i have one thing to say....
people were saying ignorance is anyone person
speaking as if they know.
well...
i disagree there are plenty of things that exsist in this world that i see that manny people dont.
thies things are "REAL" to me and my perspective in the universe
i dont believe in one singal being as GOD
i believe that the energy we all cant deny is the entire univers energy that we all belong to.
that is so huge and apart of everything.
we are all connected
religion in it self was created to set morals and norms
goods & evils
rights & wrongs
this wasnt set by THE GOD
it was set by beings (this means anything even human beings)
to control masess
control is fear
"i dont want to go to hell"
me personaly
i am my own god. the way i figure every being that has a higher point of view then i . i know that they had ounce had my same view point and have ascended. there no better then me just further along the path of spiritual growth.
MORE FIRE!!!
people were saying ignorance is anyone person
speaking as if they know.
well...
i disagree there are plenty of things that exsist in this world that i see that manny people dont.
thies things are "REAL" to me and my perspective in the universe
i dont believe in one singal being as GOD
i believe that the energy we all cant deny is the entire univers energy that we all belong to.
that is so huge and apart of everything.
we are all connected
religion in it self was created to set morals and norms
goods & evils
rights & wrongs
this wasnt set by THE GOD
it was set by beings (this means anything even human beings)
to control masess
control is fear
"i dont want to go to hell"
me personaly
i am my own god. the way i figure every being that has a higher point of view then i . i know that they had ounce had my same view point and have ascended. there no better then me just further along the path of spiritual growth.
MORE FIRE!!!
canadianhitman
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muscledog95
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Christian.....With Jesus I have strength
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Though I agree with Ihatebrolies, I'd like to make a few different points as well:
Irie said:
big_bad_buff
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I how do people call themselves Atheists or any other name you want to call someone who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods, but yet will discharge a line like IHateBrolies did “I am an atheist, but I definitely don't deny the existence of a force or an energy” not to be a jackass or anything, but the word<ignorance> can be applied directly to that quote. You called yourself atheist (denying the existence of god/creator) but yet you do not deny the existence of a force or energy, whatever that means or is. Why would you totally deny god, but yet not rule our a force or energy? What makes you so sure there is no god?
I have contemplated the reason behind this question for the past 4 or 5 years, and I finally came to a conclusion why people totally reject and refuse to believe in god, the creator, even if it means they believe in a big bang story/evolution, which is most certainly a religion in itself, I don’t even think you can compare how much more faith it takes to believe in evolution than it does to believe in god. If you believe in evolution, your believing in a story with no facts, no proof, nothing, it is all a made up with so many flaws it’s unbelievable. You would rather follow a religion that’s creator is big bang, or a spec of dust, or that you originated from nothing, so pretty much nothing at all created you. Nice religion.
I think people choose not to believe because they don’t like the idea of an authority figure, or thinking that there is someone above that sees everything they do, and in the end will ultimately judge them for their sins. It’s fun and easy to sin, it’s too hard and takes a much braver, stronger and more intelligent person to live by god’s words. I know that if anyone honestly is seeking the truth, they will find it. If you simply don’t care, and are only studying the side you believe, how ignorant is that? If you want to win a court case, you want as much information about the other lawyer’s story as possible, but you cant go in with the same mind state, you have to be looking for the truth, not just trying to seek out flaws etc because you wont find any.
What most of you don’t realize, is that if you have good knowledge of he bible, the historical facts, prophecies, how everything comes together so perfectly, there is no way you could, or want to believe in anything else, the bible is so accurate, flawless and perfect it’s amazing. What people don’t realize is that true Christians, following gods words, do have a personal relationship with him, and he does speak to you in ways, and you do experience miracles and things that are unexplainable. You know he’s real. You can say whatever you want, but there are millions of people who say this and that have experienced it for themselves. I think its crazy myself, but it’s true.
I have contemplated the reason behind this question for the past 4 or 5 years, and I finally came to a conclusion why people totally reject and refuse to believe in god, the creator, even if it means they believe in a big bang story/evolution, which is most certainly a religion in itself, I don’t even think you can compare how much more faith it takes to believe in evolution than it does to believe in god. If you believe in evolution, your believing in a story with no facts, no proof, nothing, it is all a made up with so many flaws it’s unbelievable. You would rather follow a religion that’s creator is big bang, or a spec of dust, or that you originated from nothing, so pretty much nothing at all created you. Nice religion.
I think people choose not to believe because they don’t like the idea of an authority figure, or thinking that there is someone above that sees everything they do, and in the end will ultimately judge them for their sins. It’s fun and easy to sin, it’s too hard and takes a much braver, stronger and more intelligent person to live by god’s words. I know that if anyone honestly is seeking the truth, they will find it. If you simply don’t care, and are only studying the side you believe, how ignorant is that? If you want to win a court case, you want as much information about the other lawyer’s story as possible, but you cant go in with the same mind state, you have to be looking for the truth, not just trying to seek out flaws etc because you wont find any.
What most of you don’t realize, is that if you have good knowledge of he bible, the historical facts, prophecies, how everything comes together so perfectly, there is no way you could, or want to believe in anything else, the bible is so accurate, flawless and perfect it’s amazing. What people don’t realize is that true Christians, following gods words, do have a personal relationship with him, and he does speak to you in ways, and you do experience miracles and things that are unexplainable. You know he’s real. You can say whatever you want, but there are millions of people who say this and that have experienced it for themselves. I think its crazy myself, but it’s true.
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I think you misconstrued my statement (I am IHateBrolies).big_bad_buff said:
There might be an answer/truth to existence. To be as generic as possible, let's call it a force or energy. That encompasses the currently conceivable possibilities quite well. 'God' is a little too contrived and specific. Contrived, because the pattern of society's invention of 'God' is apparent. Specific, because it is definitely not apparent that human and/or consciousness would necessarily be attributes of this force or energy. This force or energy could be as specific/non-specific or complicated/simple as could be.
I can see why you might think that "force or energy" refers to a physical force or energy as in physics, but that is not what I meant. I guess these words could include a conscious god.
My supposed "religion" isn't as pretty as yours. Brilliant point.big_bad_buff said:
I think some people choose to believe so that they have an authority figure or group to follow. That is evidence that their religious ideas are contrived.big_bad_buff said:
What you are saying may be true for some people, but you are assuming that everyone should believe by default. I disbelieve by default.
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big_bad_buff
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1)What I find remarkable is that you're really arguing against yourself--you just don't know it. The fact that we are so complex is evidence FOR scientific cause, and NOT for a creationist one. If an all-powerful being were to create a life form, why would it need to have so many complex systems? Humans could simply look as they do on the outside, and on the inside having nothing at all but some magic substance, instead of the crowded together organs, some of which HAVE NO PURPOSE OR ARE REDUNDANT.
1)That’s ridiculous dude, your implying gods powers are limited, and If this was so, everyone would obviously know there was a creator, which then there would be no point in anything at all, you can scratch out the bible and the whole point we are alive and on the earth (from bibles perspective)
2)Everything comes together so perfectly, yet 2/3rds of the planet is covered by water. So God designed earth for fish? Half or more of the remaining land is uninhabitable by humans. Maybe he designed it for the insects (of which God made millions of different species, which is redundant and unnecessary). This is HARDLY a perfected habitat.
2)The bible explains this perfectly.
3)Oh really? So some hunk of rock 9 billion light-years away has a role in our existence? And the earth's atmosphere is hardly perfect. Skin cancer (an invention of God?) is rampant.
3)When god created it, It was perfect. As you can see, everything in existence continues to fall apart and decay.
4)If it's impossible to comprehend, then why are you trying? If something is impossible to comprehend, then you shouldn't be saying God is the cause of such. If you cannot comprehend it, then you need to stick to that belief. It is logically inconsistant to say both these:
1. The universe and its origins are impossible to comprehend.
2. God created the universe.
I hope you realize why you cannot say both; you must choose one or the other.
4)If you’re familiar with math/Geometry, A line has no beginning point or end point, A ray has a beginning point but no end point, now, which is longer? You can look at it the same way. No we don’t know who made god or what he is, but this doesn’t mean he’s not there because we fail to understand it
5)I have a proposal for you. Let's say that the odds of all this happening without a divine hand are astronomical. You're saying that for everything to fall into place the chances would be incredibly small. Let's say the odds are 1 in 100000 trillion quadrillion. The point is, it's a huge number. How big is the universe again? And how long has it been around? Exactly. No matter how small the odds are, it's going to happen sooner or later, somewhere. Earth was that happening.
5)I heard the number a few weeks ago, I don’t remember what it was exactly, but you have to remember, this 1 in a 100000 trillion quadrillion as you mentioned would not only have to happen once, but this “chance” would have to happen billions and billions of times over again for every single thing on earth, then you have to go into the chances of earth, the sun, the moon and how everything else is…I’ll try to find out where I Heard it and post it up, but the whole point of it was that it is was theoretically impossible from happening, the time it would take lapped the earths age(what the evolutionists claim) a million some od times over. So no, I don’t believe it is possible by chance that we came about. All species appear fully developed
Read this book. Best $17 bucks you could spend
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1878026011/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-9431432-8918259#reader-link
http://agards-bible-timeline.com/timeline_creationbook.html
1)That’s ridiculous dude, your implying gods powers are limited, and If this was so, everyone would obviously know there was a creator, which then there would be no point in anything at all, you can scratch out the bible and the whole point we are alive and on the earth (from bibles perspective)
2)Everything comes together so perfectly, yet 2/3rds of the planet is covered by water. So God designed earth for fish? Half or more of the remaining land is uninhabitable by humans. Maybe he designed it for the insects (of which God made millions of different species, which is redundant and unnecessary). This is HARDLY a perfected habitat.
2)The bible explains this perfectly.
3)Oh really? So some hunk of rock 9 billion light-years away has a role in our existence? And the earth's atmosphere is hardly perfect. Skin cancer (an invention of God?) is rampant.
3)When god created it, It was perfect. As you can see, everything in existence continues to fall apart and decay.
4)If it's impossible to comprehend, then why are you trying? If something is impossible to comprehend, then you shouldn't be saying God is the cause of such. If you cannot comprehend it, then you need to stick to that belief. It is logically inconsistant to say both these:
1. The universe and its origins are impossible to comprehend.
2. God created the universe.
I hope you realize why you cannot say both; you must choose one or the other.
4)If you’re familiar with math/Geometry, A line has no beginning point or end point, A ray has a beginning point but no end point, now, which is longer? You can look at it the same way. No we don’t know who made god or what he is, but this doesn’t mean he’s not there because we fail to understand it
5)I have a proposal for you. Let's say that the odds of all this happening without a divine hand are astronomical. You're saying that for everything to fall into place the chances would be incredibly small. Let's say the odds are 1 in 100000 trillion quadrillion. The point is, it's a huge number. How big is the universe again? And how long has it been around? Exactly. No matter how small the odds are, it's going to happen sooner or later, somewhere. Earth was that happening.
5)I heard the number a few weeks ago, I don’t remember what it was exactly, but you have to remember, this 1 in a 100000 trillion quadrillion as you mentioned would not only have to happen once, but this “chance” would have to happen billions and billions of times over again for every single thing on earth, then you have to go into the chances of earth, the sun, the moon and how everything else is…I’ll try to find out where I Heard it and post it up, but the whole point of it was that it is was theoretically impossible from happening, the time it would take lapped the earths age(what the evolutionists claim) a million some od times over. So no, I don’t believe it is possible by chance that we came about. All species appear fully developed
Read this book. Best $17 bucks you could spend
http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/1878026011/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-9431432-8918259#reader-link
http://agards-bible-timeline.com/timeline_creationbook.html
big_bad_buff
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Actually I don’t think this, I’m fortunate enough that I was raised with somewhat of a Christian back ground, and have pretty much researched everything, unfortunately the bible was last on my list, but I still had the basic knowledge of it from the way I was raised. I believe the only way to go about this topic is to learn and research it, don’t except something just because someone says so. This goes for pretty much everything in life. But I would recommend everyone to pick up that book, it’s pretty bad ass. A lot of knowledge in there bor.
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big_bad_buff said:
The answer lies not with the 'killer copy' of freaks like Bill and Margaret Agard.
plornive
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Is that why you contemplated for 4 or 5 years why some people disbelieve?big_bad_buff said:
If you researched everything and didn't believe anything just because someone said it, then do you claim to base your beliefs on reason and logic? If so, do you have faith? If so, why do you need it?
big_bad_buff
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I was talking about people who refuse to believe in the existence of god no matter what. They would rather believe that poppa smurf created them instead of believing what the bible says.
Yes, it makes so much more sense than anything else there is in life; there is reason, and there is logic. I have faith as well. a secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will. Do you think you can’t have both?
Yes, it makes so much more sense than anything else there is in life; there is reason, and there is logic. I have faith as well. a secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will. Do you think you can’t have both?
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big_bad_buff
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Are we all ready at this point? You trying to trick me with word games? then I guess this is where I would come back by correcting your spelling by saying (you mean supersedes?)
This is how I look at it. When you get in your car and drive to work, you pretty much know how your car is operating, you can see your oil gage, gas, fuel, temp etc. your car is made to take you places. When it is running good, or is a brand new car, you don’t need faith, you don’t worry or have to think about it, but if you have an old Junker, and have no understanding of the vehicle (the bible, god, experiencing things as a Christian) it might take some faith to trust that your car is going to get you there.
My point being is that faith doesn’t =god. It is faith in god. Having the belief in God and having faith in God's will and living by his words. That is what takes faith, believing that the bible is real and his words are true, and as you do this, and experience it, you see and understand that it is true, and then there is no need for faith because you know.
This post is like me telling you that I saw a ghost (or one of the millions of other people that have) and you saying that I’m (or that they are) full of sh*t. I can’t post up a mpeg of god walking on water dude if that’s what you’re asking for.
This is how I look at it. When you get in your car and drive to work, you pretty much know how your car is operating, you can see your oil gage, gas, fuel, temp etc. your car is made to take you places. When it is running good, or is a brand new car, you don’t need faith, you don’t worry or have to think about it, but if you have an old Junker, and have no understanding of the vehicle (the bible, god, experiencing things as a Christian) it might take some faith to trust that your car is going to get you there.
My point being is that faith doesn’t =god. It is faith in god. Having the belief in God and having faith in God's will and living by his words. That is what takes faith, believing that the bible is real and his words are true, and as you do this, and experience it, you see and understand that it is true, and then there is no need for faith because you know.
This post is like me telling you that I saw a ghost (or one of the millions of other people that have) and you saying that I’m (or that they are) full of sh*t. I can’t post up a mpeg of god walking on water dude if that’s what you’re asking for.
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plornive
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Actually I was just curious exactly how you reconciled faith with reason. You explained it.big_bad_buff said:Are we all ready at this point? You trying to trick me with word games? then I guess this is where I would come back by correcting your spelling by saying (you mean supersedes?)
This is how I look at it. When you get in your car and drive to work, you pretty much know how your car is operating, you can see your oil gage, gas, fuel, temp etc. your car is made to take you places. When it is running good, or is a brand new car, you don’t need faith, you don’t worry or have to think about it, but if you have an old Junker, and have no understanding of the vehicle (the bible, god, experiencing things as a Christian) it might take some faith to trust that your car is going to get you there.
My point being is that faith doesn’t =god. It is faith in god. Having the belief in God and having faith in God's will and living by his words. That is what takes faith, believing that the bible is real and his words are true, and as you do this, and experience it, you see and understand that it is true, and then there is no need for faith because you know.
This post is like me telling you that I saw a ghost (or one of the millions of other people that have) and you saying that I’m (or that they are) full of sh*t. I can’t post up a mpeg of god walking on water dude if that’s what you’re asking for.
VitalRemains
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In between at the moment. Trying to work out awnsers in my brain.
coldblue1955
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i'm a JW.
chewyxrage
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athiest as fuck.
