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letsrun4it

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I struggle with the first rep when it's fairly heavy. Like if I'm doing a weight that I can only do 4 of, the first one usually I need assistance and then I can crank out 3 on my own. This isn't at the beginning of workouts, this is anytime so being warmed up has nothing to do with it. It's getting ridiculous because by the time I get my max to a new level I can do 2-3 reps at the new weight.

I've never seen anyone have the same problems I do...what is this all about?
 
For me, this occurs a lot on DB exercises, but not on anything else Even on sets of 6 reps or more, the first one is shaky but the rest are fine.

I can't really help much, just empathize :)
 
It is most likely a mental block of some sort.....do you get really nervous before you attempt the lift?? What is probably happening is the butterflies go away after the first rep and you get some confidence.

Guiness, that's very common on dumbells, a lot of it is mental too, especially when you start in the bottom position on the first rep, it kind of throws you off with confidence, like you can set up and gain some momentum performing the first negative when you get a handoff with a barbell or unrack a squat..
 
letsrun4it said:
I struggle with the first rep when it's fairly heavy. Like if I'm doing a weight that I can only do 4 of, the first one usually I need assistance and then I can crank out 3 on my own. This isn't at the beginning of workouts, this is anytime so being warmed up has nothing to do with it. It's getting ridiculous because by the time I get my max to a new level I can do 2-3 reps at the new weight.

I've never seen anyone have the same problems I do...what is this all about?
bro evry time you make a post like this I am like wow.this guy is just like me.first the mirror thread now this.

I was at the gym thinking the same thing today.my first rep on the bench is allways the hardist then its like I can knock out the rest with no prob.
I think it is just in the head though.
 
With dumbells, there's a physiological reason--you don't get a stretch reflex out of your muscles if you start at the midpoint of the movement on the first rep. But with barbell bench, for example, it's purely mental.
 
I'm thinking some of this problem may be solved with speed work- the first rep is going to be harder as you've started at rest and need to fire up all your motor units to get the lift in the air. This makes your rep not just one of strength, but of explosive power, which in turn determines your rate of force development.
Dynamic Effort, or speed work, is designed to improve your power through moving submaximal weights at maximum force. For legs and back, box squats are usually done. For chest, mostly flat bench. But you can substitute other lifts if you want: normal squat, using different bars, using chains, incline or decline press, floor press,etc.
You rack 50-60% of your max on the bar and try to lift it as fast as you can. There's a law of diminishing returns on reps in a set- as you work you rbody accomodates to the load and you lose advantage. Also, if you do 4x6 instead of 3x8 you don't get as many chances to do a first rep. Usually, benching is done for 3 reps, squats for 2.
Of course, it could also be the case that your explosive power is adequate (you can move the bar fast enough) and the problem lies elsewhere. For instance you get to the bottom of the lift but don't have quite enough strength to get it started back up(called starting strength, of course). You can solve this by doing paused rep sets. Hold for 2-3 sec. at the bottom before starting back up.
Then again, it could be an indirect problem. This is where assistance work comes in. As an example, if you have trouble controlling the bar off the pins and back up again for your first rep on the bench, you may want to do heavy sets of rows for your lats. This will allow you get acheive stability and thus gain necessary control over the weight.

I'm wondering if one of the reasons we have problems with dumbells (aside from having to heave them into position,) is that we don't do much dynamic work with them. Developing power might be the answer.
 
Are you using the stretch reflex and negative portion of the lift to generate speed to push it back to lockout? I like to do rack lock outs to make sure I have brute strength from the "hole" of the bench. Set the pins down until its just like the bottom position w/ bar on my chest. Just practice pushing the weight from a dead start, then when you get back to the regular benching you'll notice if you are using momentum or not.
 
One more very important idea- GPP General Physical Preparedness

Sometimes you just need to improve your overall fitness to be able to handle the stress placed on your system by specific actions in the gym. Doing extra work on your off days will help you. Grab some dumbells and do farmer's walks, drag a weight behind you (sled pull), the list is endless. Whatever works for you
 
Need to improve fast twitch fibers with use of lighter weight and dumbells for chest explosion, in my years of bodybuilding I struggled with the same thing until I improved my fast twitch.. good luck.
 
letsrun4it said:
I struggle with the first rep when it's fairly heavy. Like if I'm doing a weight that I can only do 4 of, the first one usually I need assistance and then I can crank out 3 on my own. This isn't at the beginning of workouts, this is anytime so being warmed up has nothing to do with it. It's getting ridiculous because by the time I get my max to a new level I can do 2-3 reps at the new weight.

I've never seen anyone have the same problems I do...what is this all about?

I used to get a feeling like that when I could train legs heavy. I think it's because (in my case), those legs only got that kind of stress when I was in the gym, and maybe had got used to (in between) normal life again so my nervous system and muscles were at first *shocked* by the change in expectation from them. That's my theory anyway.
 
I had a similar issue when i didn't use enough sets to warm-up.
If I am going to bench 100kg now, I'll do 10 x 40, 6 x 60, 3 x 80, 2 x 90 and then the working set for 100. If I don't warm-up with enough sets, I can't lift with my max's.
Try some more warm-up sets.
The only other thing is it could be form related. I always have issues doing heavy bench (db) or shoulder press (db) for the first rep until I get into the right position. I think this is pretty normal but I don't actually need assistance - its just an uncomfortable first rep...
 
Umm....I haven't been around here too long.

Looking at the posts by fortunateson, they seem very articulate and helpful. Why was he "owned?" WTF is owned anyway? He was talking about GPP and speed work which very well could be the case...aside from the basic stretch reflex and stability concern.

He had damn good advise.
 
curgeo said:
Umm....I haven't been around here too long.

Looking at the posts by fortunateson, they seem very articulate and helpful. Why was he "owned?" WTF is owned anyway? He was talking about GPP and speed work which very well could be the case...aside from the basic stretch reflex and stability concern.

He had damn good advise.


I posted an opinion in Chat & Conversation tha tsomeone didn't like. I could have let it pass, but I wanted to make a point. When you're Plat, you can spend some of your Karma to black out someone's posts for 24hr.

Some people are just touchy

Thanks.
 
Some people really need to grow up and let good advise be read. That is what we are all here to do right? Help one another?
 
curgeo said:
Some people really need to grow up and let good advise be read. That is what we are all here to do right? Help one another?
yea, those little shits in the c & c forum who have never lifted a weight need to grow up... sad, i thought this site was about fitness...
 
On the original question, I suspect that you need to fire up the neuromuscular junction first. Pyramiding rep sets do this quite well. Rather than going to max lift first, try a weight that you can do 'easily' (say, 60lbs lower than your usual lift) for 10-12 reps to warm up the nerve track and muscle connection. Should fix the issue and also help avoid injury. Call it 'warm-up' for the muscles!
 
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