However there are those that are in the know, and prefer to cough up a little more money for a high quality cycle. Sure Toamaster there are sides associated with both Primo and Var, no aas are completely safe, but whether you think so or not, the sides associated with these are very very minimal compared to other aas. With a high enough dose of any of these, you are gonna be more vulnerably to sides. I have experienced great results from primo, despite the weak name that everyone gives it. I have only done a huge bulking type cycle, once which was eq test and dbol. I did gain, thats for sure, but i lost also. I prefer to use lighter cycles to compliment my training, with nice lean mild gains that are made slowly and kept. Like I said before, I just feel like I am putting less stress on my body this way instead of ballooning up. THere are many others in the same boat as me. I have to admit that primo and var are some of the best AAS out there in my opinion. I would include these into every cycle if I could. I dont mind coughing up the extra buck. I usually only do 2 cycles per year now anyways, so I can save up and plan them with exactly what I want.