Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below There seems to be four main components to optimal health and fitness: genetics, hormone optimization, diet/lifestyle (this includes anything digested or inhaled), and exercise. My question to the group--rank these components in order from most critical to least critical. I will make some comments after some of you attack this problem.
What is Really Important?
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nikolai_bolkov
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I'll give it a shot:
1. Exercise
2. Diet\Lifestyle
3. Hormone optimization
4. Genetics
1. Exercise
2. Diet\Lifestyle
3. Hormone optimization
4. Genetics
nikolai_bolkov
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Sure:
1. Exercise: with enough rigorous resistant and cardiovascular training, I believe the body will utilize the nutrients you provide it in an optimal manner. Also, regular exercise may offset some negative lifestyle swings (eg. from partying).
2. Diet\Lifestyle: The fuel for exercise, optimize your diet/lifestyle to fully take advantage of your exercise regimen.
3. Hormone optimization: When exercise and diet/lifestyle is in order and has been optimized, then playing with your hormones can boost your results even further.
4. Genetics [/B][/QUOTE]: Your genetics determine the way you will look and eventually for example how big you can get, but I believe you can achieve your goals from proper application of 1-3 above despite of your genetics, given enough time and experience.
1. Exercise: with enough rigorous resistant and cardiovascular training, I believe the body will utilize the nutrients you provide it in an optimal manner. Also, regular exercise may offset some negative lifestyle swings (eg. from partying).
2. Diet\Lifestyle: The fuel for exercise, optimize your diet/lifestyle to fully take advantage of your exercise regimen.
3. Hormone optimization: When exercise and diet/lifestyle is in order and has been optimized, then playing with your hormones can boost your results even further.
4. Genetics [/B][/QUOTE]: Your genetics determine the way you will look and eventually for example how big you can get, but I believe you can achieve your goals from proper application of 1-3 above despite of your genetics, given enough time and experience.
Stillgoing
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If your defining "optimal health & fitness" as being fit & healthy in a general, well balanced sense (as opposed to a bodybuilding mentality), how about:
1-genetics
2- diet/lifestyle
3-exercise
4- hormone optimization
Reasoning: I think genetic make-up regarding predisposition to be devoid of chronic illnesses (the theory of those that live to 100 vs those that die young of cancer etc) is most powerful. Then diet & "how you treat your body". Exercise & hormone optimization seem to be the "gravy" on top of the first two that can take a healthy, well taken care of body and make it even more healthy.
Ok, Doc, fire away......
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1-genetics
2- diet/lifestyle
3-exercise
4- hormone optimization
Reasoning: I think genetic make-up regarding predisposition to be devoid of chronic illnesses (the theory of those that live to 100 vs those that die young of cancer etc) is most powerful. Then diet & "how you treat your body". Exercise & hormone optimization seem to be the "gravy" on top of the first two that can take a healthy, well taken care of body and make it even more healthy.
Ok, Doc, fire away......
:mp5:
I am going with:
1. Genetics
2. Diet/Lifestyle
3.Exercise
4.Hormones
Why this order simple because genetics play a huge role in how your physique looks when combing the other together. Obviously all the pros have great genetics. Exercising, dieting, and hormones will not get you over the 300lb bodyweight class. Just like how Nasser explaines that if you train your calves for two years and nothing happens then your calves won't grow.(Genetic problem) Nasser preaches about genetics in everyone of his seminar speeches.
1. Genetics
2. Diet/Lifestyle
3.Exercise
4.Hormones
Why this order simple because genetics play a huge role in how your physique looks when combing the other together. Obviously all the pros have great genetics. Exercising, dieting, and hormones will not get you over the 300lb bodyweight class. Just like how Nasser explaines that if you train your calves for two years and nothing happens then your calves won't grow.(Genetic problem) Nasser preaches about genetics in everyone of his seminar speeches.
JP@Ironology
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DrJMW said:
1. Diet/Lifestyle
A poor lifestyle and diet can leave even those who excercise and have good genetics in an unhealthy situation.
Exposure to chemicals, i.e. tobacco, alcohol, chemical solvents, etc can cause harm even to the most genetically gifted individual. E.g. a chemical worker exposed to benzene has an increased cancer, a worker who had been exposed to asbestos has an increased cancer, a smoker has an increased cancer risk
Poor diet would lead to vitamin and mineral deficiencies that could not be overcome if the diet were to continue.
Even the most genetically gifted individual is doomed if they are exposed to the wrong environmental contaminate.
2. Genetics
Pick any genetic disease.
3. Excercise
Those who excercise probably follow number 1.
4. Hormone Optimization
Most times homeostasis is broken by those who have the mentality that more is better. Hormone optimization does not ultimately determine optimum health and fitness.
JP@Ironology
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Re: Re: What is Really Important?
Arguments can be made for #2 to supersede #1. My decision was based on statistics, i.e. most people do not have fatal genetic diseases.
JP@Ironology said:
Arguments can be made for #2 to supersede #1. My decision was based on statistics, i.e. most people do not have fatal genetic diseases.
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Johnny Cut
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1.Diet
2.Diet
3.Diet
4.Diet
it really pisses me off about how DIET is underated on the board (newbies)
Genetics are pre-determined, they are not importatn because you have no control over them for the most part
Excersice...well thats obvious, that goes with the dieting
Hormones....well many have trained before and got big naturally just by EATING, yup i said it,...everyone seems to discount how ANABOLIC food really is,
U gotta eat to get big, u gotta eat to get small........its all about the diet.....man i should work for SlimFast...lol
2.Diet
3.Diet
4.Diet
it really pisses me off about how DIET is underated on the board (newbies)
Genetics are pre-determined, they are not importatn because you have no control over them for the most part
Excersice...well thats obvious, that goes with the dieting
Hormones....well many have trained before and got big naturally just by EATING, yup i said it,...everyone seems to discount how ANABOLIC food really is,
U gotta eat to get big, u gotta eat to get small........its all about the diet.....man i should work for SlimFast...lol
BacardiSlang
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For me, this is what I consider most important to least:
Diet\Lifestyle
-Its 80% of living a healthy life.
Exercise
-Keeps the body healthy and active. Also, optimizes the consumption of nutritious foods by using them as fuel.
Hormone optimization
-Not as important as the first 2.
-Its icing on the cake....not the cake.
-Makes Diet and exercise go even further
Genetics
-I put this at the bottom of my list because this is something you cannot change.
-Whatever genetic card you have been delt is what you will have for the rest of you life, only thing you can do is work with what you have.
Those are my choices.
Diet\Lifestyle
-Its 80% of living a healthy life.
Exercise
-Keeps the body healthy and active. Also, optimizes the consumption of nutritious foods by using them as fuel.
Hormone optimization
-Not as important as the first 2.
-Its icing on the cake....not the cake.
-Makes Diet and exercise go even further
Genetics
-I put this at the bottom of my list because this is something you cannot change.
-Whatever genetic card you have been delt is what you will have for the rest of you life, only thing you can do is work with what you have.
Those are my choices.
Stillgoing said:If your defining "optimal health & fitness" as being fit & healthy in a general, well balanced sense (as opposed to a bodybuilding mentality), how about:
1-genetics
2- diet/lifestyle
3-exercise
4- hormone optimization
Reasoning: I think genetic make-up regarding predisposition to be devoid of chronic illnesses (the theory of those that live to 100 vs those that die young of cancer etc) is most powerful. Then diet & "how you treat your body". Exercise & hormone optimization seem to be the "gravy" on top of the first two that can take a healthy, well taken care of body and make it even more healthy.
Ok, Doc, fire away......
:mp5:
Ditto, I totally agree.
Big Johnson
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There seems to be four main components to optimal health and fitness: genetics, hormone optimization, diet/lifestyle (this includes anything digested or inhaled), and exercise. My question to the group--rank these components in order from most critical to least critical. I will make some comments after some of you attack this problem.
1. Diet/Lifestyle An unhealthy lifestyle will kill you quickly and painfully
2. Genetics Genetics are responsible for everything from how you deal with stress to how well you immune system functions.
3. Excersize You can escape with some abuse to number one and without an advantage in number two if you make your body a more efficient machine.
4. Hormone Opt. Even if your test levels fall to zero, your body can still maintain if you have the advantage in one, two, and three.
Peace
1. Diet/Lifestyle An unhealthy lifestyle will kill you quickly and painfully
2. Genetics Genetics are responsible for everything from how you deal with stress to how well you immune system functions.
3. Excersize You can escape with some abuse to number one and without an advantage in number two if you make your body a more efficient machine.
4. Hormone Opt. Even if your test levels fall to zero, your body can still maintain if you have the advantage in one, two, and three.
Peace
Triple J
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When the doc says hormone optimization, I am presuming he does not necessarily just mean roid cycles for getting big, as in what it seems some of you may be thinking, but perhaps just some degree of therapy to achieve optimization.
So my rank is
1-hormone optimization
2-diet and lifestyle
3-exercise
4-genetics
What you have to remember of all three things I listed not 1st, that 2,3,4 ultimately effect your hormones, and that is why we pursue 1, 2,3, to overcome 4. Think about it - hormone optimization is the key to diet programs where you watch your carbs to manage your insulin.
Plus people who have optimized hormones can get away with alot of bad habits in regards to their diet and lifestyle and exericise. For those who are old enough, think when you were younger what you could get away with, and possibly still grow and get results, and how things have changed.
So my rank is
1-hormone optimization
2-diet and lifestyle
3-exercise
4-genetics
What you have to remember of all three things I listed not 1st, that 2,3,4 ultimately effect your hormones, and that is why we pursue 1, 2,3, to overcome 4. Think about it - hormone optimization is the key to diet programs where you watch your carbs to manage your insulin.
Plus people who have optimized hormones can get away with alot of bad habits in regards to their diet and lifestyle and exericise. For those who are old enough, think when you were younger what you could get away with, and possibly still grow and get results, and how things have changed.
Exactly what are we talking about here? Health and longevity? Looking good? Getting big?
Of course genetics is number one in all of those thins but there's nothing we can do about that.
The number one factor in health and longevity? Sleep.
Looking good? Of course it's exercise. I'd place lifestyle and attitude second.
Getting big? Well, being too big isn't healthy. (That means anything over 250 for someone under 6') Either is the training and caloric intake that's necessary to sustain that weight -- even if it's muscle.
To me, the key is to optimize all of these traits without overdoing any of them. The yin and the yang.
Of course genetics is number one in all of those thins but there's nothing we can do about that.
The number one factor in health and longevity? Sleep.
Looking good? Of course it's exercise. I'd place lifestyle and attitude second.
Getting big? Well, being too big isn't healthy. (That means anything over 250 for someone under 6') Either is the training and caloric intake that's necessary to sustain that weight -- even if it's muscle.
To me, the key is to optimize all of these traits without overdoing any of them. The yin and the yang.
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