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What is Freemasonry? Is it a cult?
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BrothaBill
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Im a Freemason
Hiatussin
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It´s not so secret anymore. some lodges even have websites.
It´s a "cult" but you can enter and exit quite easily and they dont do things like suicide.
They are a strong network that goes over generations. They are very free-market, actionist and individualist... Traditionally it´s lots of entrepeneurs. It´s like an occult- country club...
They bought a lot of wonderful estates across europe which they have since sold as housing prices rose and their riches grew smaller. It´s hard to describe.
this is a pretty good article. Pretty good website in general www.rotten.com/library
http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/freemasonry/
It´s a "cult" but you can enter and exit quite easily and they dont do things like suicide.
They are a strong network that goes over generations. They are very free-market, actionist and individualist... Traditionally it´s lots of entrepeneurs. It´s like an occult- country club...
They bought a lot of wonderful estates across europe which they have since sold as housing prices rose and their riches grew smaller. It´s hard to describe.
this is a pretty good article. Pretty good website in general www.rotten.com/library
http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/freemasonry/
Hiatussin said:
Sounds like a bunch of nice people but why is that my boss in in this Freemasonry group and he takes it so seriously and is very secretive about it. He also disrespects women might I add and gets a power high when he is around his "boys" or "brothers"!!!
Hiatussin
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I don´t think membership of the current masonic system will get your any further in life than membership of the average yachting club.
the only REAL "cult" of succesful people helping each other out still in position is European nobility. they too do not really dwell in the super rich or super powerful class. They just sit comfortably and don´t budge from the upper-middle class and semi-rich classes. Since the reinstatement of the death tax they´ve had to work for it though. and they do. Proving they are indeed a good breed of people and not only a long lost promise.
Then there´s the whole Yale- Skull & Bones thing
Nobody really knows what that´s about. that could mean its indeed big, or that its nothing. I don´t know.
You can get very far in life without being in some playful secretive ubermensch cult, that´s for sure.
the only REAL "cult" of succesful people helping each other out still in position is European nobility. they too do not really dwell in the super rich or super powerful class. They just sit comfortably and don´t budge from the upper-middle class and semi-rich classes. Since the reinstatement of the death tax they´ve had to work for it though. and they do. Proving they are indeed a good breed of people and not only a long lost promise.
Then there´s the whole Yale- Skull & Bones thing
Nobody really knows what that´s about. that could mean its indeed big, or that its nothing. I don´t know.
You can get very far in life without being in some playful secretive ubermensch cult, that´s for sure.
Hiatussin said:
I would not join a cult to get far in life but it is quite interesting how my boss treats it so seriously and he thinks so highly of it.
It is quite interesting how European nobility works too. The money they have and how they seem to keep it. It passes on from father to son or mother to daughter. Its almost like a business.
What is Yale- Skull & Bones??
Hey Pinto...I only hit you for 100...I hit enter by accident before I could post a message.
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Sorry about the thread jackin' BUBBLES.
Carry on
Hiatussin
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That´s the thing since the death tax nobility has had more trouble. if you have a family castle and every time the next heir inherits it, tax collects 40% of its worth in cash, you better work your ass off keeping the circle round. Now they mostly try to hold strong by inheriting positions, rather than actual money...BUBBLES said:
Skull & Bones or the Bonesmen are a fraternity at Yale University. Their mission statement is to get and keep as many bonesmen as possible in positions of power. The "shocking" thing was that both John Kerry and George Bush are members.
There´s a movie loosely based on them, "The Skulls"- Only it depicts them as being so powerful, so rich, so crazy and so secretive that it almost becomes laughable and impossible.
Hiatussin
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Look around on this site http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/freemasonry/BUBBLES said:
every link in the story links to another article. You can spend hours on it. you learn a lot.
http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/illuminati/
Hiatussin
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BUBBLES said:
Nearly all European nobility is traceable back to Schwabenland, Germany.
Schwabenland is one of the small kingdoms that made up Germany before Otto von Bismarck (nobleman and member of fencing student fraternity Corps Hannovera Göttingen- their current members visited me here in Belgium last year, they´re cool) united them in the "united states of germany"
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Im not sure how much I can say, but I am close with some members. Maybe related but I will tell you the ones I know seem on the positive side of power and money. They are influential I talk to them daily. Its a good thing, kinda quiet though. Its very mysterious and shocking when you find some of the truths. I cannot elaborate any more....
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Tryn2 said:
youve said too much brother
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BUBBLES said:
If he is disrespecting women, then he is not a good Mason and may find himself in trouble. Family is first. The Masons take good men and make them better men. The Masons give over two million dollars a day to charity. I start my first degree work the first of the year.
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Lestat said:
Its no more a cult than a fraternity is in University. Urban legends abound
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Lestat said:
whats your definition of a cult then?
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BrothaBill
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Lestat said:
and that is nowhere close to what being a Freemason is, the cult comparison is silly
http://www.masonicinfo.com/member.htm
Become a Brother Lestat, join
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Lestat said:
San Diego, lodge 35, give em a call
http://www.calodges.org/no35/
Who Are The Masons?
And What Do They Do?
Masons (also known as Freemasons) belong to the oldest and largest fraternal organization in the world. Today, there are now more than two million Masons in North America. Masons represent virtually every occupation and profession, yet within the Fraternity all meet as equals. Masons come from diverse political ideologies, yet meet as friends. Masons come from varied religious beliefs and creeds, yet all believe in one God.
Many of North America's early patriots were Masons. Thirteen signers of the Constitution and fourteen Presidents of the United States, including George Washington, were Masons. In Canada, the Father of the Confederation, Sir John A. MacDonald, was a Mason, as were other early Canadian and American leaders.
One of the most fascinating aspects of Freemasonry is how so many different walks of life, can meet together in peace, always conducting their affairs in harmony and friendship and calling each other "Brother."
Freemasonry (or Masonry) is dedicated to the Brotherhood of Man under the Fatherhood of God. It uses the tools and implements of ancient architectural craftsmen symbolically in a system of instruction designed to build character and moral values in its members. Its singular purpose is to make good men better. Its bonds of friendship, compassion, and brotherly love have survived even the most divisive political, military, and religious conflicts through the centuries. Masonry is a fraternity which encourages its members to practice the faith of their personal acceptance. Masonry teaches that each person, through self-improvement and helping others, has an obligation to make a difference for good in the world.
No one knows just how old Freemasonry is because the actual origins have been lost in time. Most scholars believe Masonry arose from the guilds of stonemasons who built the majestic castles and cathedrals in the Middle Ages. In 1717, Masonry created a formal organization when four Lodges in London joined to form England's first Grand Lodge. By 1731, when Benjamin Franklin joined the Fraternity, there were already several Lodges in the Colonies, and in Canada the first Lodge was established in 1738.
Today, Masonic Lodges are found in almost every community throughout North America, and in large cities there are usually several Lodges. A Mason can travel to almost any country in the world and find a Masonic Lodge where he will be welcomed as a "Brother."
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Hiatussin said:
Its all about Brotherhood. There have been Sororities and such but thats a tense cathouse with alot of builtin competition and fighting. Women by nature hate each other b/c of perceived competition to the penis they envy so much.
Ten guys in a room, theyll find something fun to talk about, ten women in a room and you have a catfight
Hiatussin
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I wrote a few paragraphs on it hereBrothaBill said:
http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5554316#post5554316
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what's ubermensch mean Herr hiatussen?Hiatussin said:
Hiatussin
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lmao its just a reference to how practically all of these organisations were founded in Germany. Just as most european royalty and nobility stem from germany and well even from a smaller specific part of germany.4everhung said:
übermensch was what the nazi´s called any "true" human that they saw as superior to the rest of the worlds scum
flex229
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its just a fraternity of men who do a lot of charity. all fraternities have certain codes, phrases, symbols, rituals, etc. its nothing new. some are more prestigious than others. it just so happens that the mose prestigious, arguably, is the Skull and Bones fraternity.
Perhaps the guy who designed the dollar bill tried to get cute and put all kinds of little of his fraternal slogans ont the design..no real big surprise there,,i see frat kids all across the nation defacing their college campuses with similar bullshit..
Perhaps the guy who designed the dollar bill tried to get cute and put all kinds of little of his fraternal slogans ont the design..no real big surprise there,,i see frat kids all across the nation defacing their college campuses with similar bullshit..
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HumanTarget said:
No one knows who Jack the Ripper was
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BrothaBill
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Lestat said:
thats crap lol, thats just speculation. Ive heard several different theories on who it mightve been, but they are all just theories and guesses, saw a discovery channel or maybe History channel special on it. Im in the know that no one knows
Now Im going to fire up the google search engine cuz Im curious
SOMEONE knows bro, or at least someone knew... the most obvious is Jack the Ripper himself, who was never found, the murders just stopped. But there were plenty of people who knew or had enough evidence to make a definitive guess. It was a cover up, the freemasons were behind it, and they have been behind many things in the past. Their roots date back to the knights templar. Are you familiar with the Oak Island mystery?BrothaBill said:thats crap lol, thats just speculation. Ive heard several different theories on who it mightve been, but they are all just theories and guesses, saw a discovery channel or maybe History channel special on it. Im in the know that no one knows
Now Im going to fire up the google search engine cuz Im curious
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Lestat said:
No one knows now, Jack the Ripper has long since past, its a classic unsolved mystery. I think I was an episode on that TV show too.
Amazon Women from the Moon laid out the case for Jack the Ripper to be the Loche Ness Monster so just cuz it sounds good doesnt mean Jack
Actually, just googled it, yeah, Ive seen a few shows on that. The money pit, you'd think they could put a man on the moon they could dig that shit up
Prince Albert Victor is Springheel Jack, bor. the Duke of Clarence and Avondale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Albert_Victor,_Duke_of_Clarence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Albert_Victor,_Duke_of_Clarence
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HumanTarget said:
lol, at you and Lestat, Lestat says its freemasons is the most accepted theory and you and Wikipedia say it was Prince Albert.
Wikipedia:
In the 1960s and 1970s rumours first circulated in books that the Duke of Clarence and Avondale may have committed, or have been responsible for, the Jack the Ripper murders in 1888. Though repeated frequently, historians have dismissed the claims using indisputable proof of the Prince's whereabouts. At the time some of the murders, for example he was at Balmoral, the royal retreat in Scotland, in the presence of Queen Victoria, other family members, visiting royalty and large numbers of staff. He was also seen there by newspaper reporters. According to the Court Circular that publishes all royal engagements and whereabouts, he could not have been near to any of the murders. Though the allegation occasionally still surfaces on websites it is universally dismissed by academics and researchers as a classic urban myth.
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HumanTarget said:
take it easy cheesy
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HumanTarget said:
hahaha, even though when murders happened. He was in another country, meeting with the Queen and all subjects with numerous reporters there also. Sounds like an airtight alibi.
Almost too perfect, hmmmmmm!!
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Lestat said:
You've been watching Johnny Depp movies again havent you Lestat, I remind you that From Hell was fictional movie.
The Freemason theory was pushed by a man named Fairclough and it really does fail the logic test. Just an excerpt of a case study of Jack the Ripper theories
Fairclough's thesis quickly involves the prominent Freemasons of the late nineteenth century viz The Duke of St Albans, the Earls of Carnarvon, Derby, and Limerick, the Marquess of Lincolnshire, the Queen's Physician-in-Ordinary (Sir William Withey Gull), the Chief Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police (Sir Charles Warren) and so on. Oh yes, they include Eddy, Duke of Clarence and Avondale who was, at the time of the murders in 1888, Right Worshipful Master of the Royal Alpha Lodge(27).
So far, no major problems; but Fairclough seem to go right off the rails at this point. Not content to quote Knight as a source of Masonic practices (highly questionable, if not downright laughable), he also cites William Morgan's (of the "Morgan Affair" infamy) "Freemasonry Exposed," published in 1836.
Fairclough insists in using the present tense in the paragraphs purporting to expose the nefarious activities of the Freemasons. Yet Morgan's "exposure" (sic) was published some 50 years before the events under analysis. For example, the Oath of a Royal Arch Mason quoted by Fairclough on page 54, bears no relation to any Royal Arch oath with which I am familiar. Yet Fairclough's tense makes it appear modern. The author's attitude is typical of the erroneous misinformation bandied about and is not only vexatious but (with the wealth of correct information available to Cowans in the United Kingdom under the relaxed policies of the Grand Lodge) this cannot be anything less than a premeditated and deliberate attempt to denigrate the Craft. Even Walter Hannah (Darkness Visible and Christian by Degrees) had better information forty years ago.
Fairclough's premise seems to be broadly based on two primary facts :
a. There were Freemasons living at the time of the Ripper murders - some of whom were prominent in contemporary society, as there have always been.
You can do almost anything you wish with this "fact". For example: As each candidate for the Fellow Craft Degree recites, our Lodges usually meet at night. Dracula, as is well known, comes out at night: therefore Dracula is a Freemason. With his sartorial preference for Dinner suits, he is also obviously a member of Grand Lodge!
Unfortunately for their case against Freemasonry, some of the "Freemasons" named by Knight and Fairclough were not Freemasons (for example Lord Salisbury), while others listed as anti-Masonic were, in fact, prominent Freemasons. For example Wynne Edwin Baxter, the Coroner presiding over the inquests on Mary Ann Nichols, Annie Chapman and Elizabeth Stride. Baxter, a flamboyant and garrulous coroner who had won a very bitter election to that post for East London and Tower of London districts amid accusations of electoral improprieties, was often highly critical of the police. Knight sees this as being in conflict with the Masonic conspiracy of Warren and Anderson and points to Baxter as an anti-Mason.
In fact, Baxter was a leading member of South Sussex Lodge and simply possessed a combative and touchy personality(28).
b. There is an exceedingly superficial and tenuous linkage between the apparent mutilations and placement of the internal organs of the victims to the purported ancient penalties of the Masonic oath. Of course, we run into factual problems here. If we follow Fairclough, who is slavishly following Knight, we learn that not only have the unfortunate ladies' throats been cut left to right (making all right-handed murderers cutting their victim's throat from behind Freemasons), but with some Ripper victims, their intestines had been thrown over the shoulders.
For Fairclough/Knight this is "definitely Masonic" as the murderers of Hiram Abiff had "...their vitals taken out and thrown over the left shoulder". Unfortunately for the comparison, both Chapman's and Eddowes' intestines lay over their right shoulder. Not to be bothered by the facts, Knight explained this away as, "it is possible that the point about which shoulder was overlooked" - presumably due to the hurry, of course.
This is typical of Fairclough's misinformation regarding the Freemasons. Like Knight, Fairclough delves into wishful thinking and much ingenuity in his vendetta against the Craft and in his search for Masonic involvement(29). If the facts do not fit the hypothesis, simply shrug and move on to the next fantasy.
Without (much) comment, let me examine a few more of Fairclough's statements. Fairclough has a wild case to plead and so impartially, logic and truth are recklessly abandoned. His mistakes on Masonic ritual are more than irritating or annoying. He cannot have been insensible to the fact that a wealth of material is available to get at least his Masonic "research" correct.
Like Knight, Fairclough makes much of Hogarth's engraving THE REWARD OF CRUELTY by painstakingly analysing it to show (sic) similarities between the slaughter of Mary Kelly and a Masonic Ritual Murder(!) The Hogarth work shows no more than a standard eighteenth century medical dissection of a hanged criminal. All the so-called Masonic features are nothing more than common anatomy practices of the period.
Fairclough claims the Royal Arch is part of the chain of advancement to the 330.
"Beyond the third degree, it takes another fourteen degrees to become 'perfected', to pass through the Holy Royal Arch"
I believe he has been confused by the thirteenth degree of the Ancient and Accepted Rite - the Royal Arch of Enoch. But, of course, the mathematics are questionable. Three plus fourteen equals seventeen. The Royal Arch of Enoch is a thirteenth degree, but let's not worry about facts - they only confuse a good story.
Catharine Eddowes (the fourth victim) was found in Mitre Square.
"Both the mitre and the square are tools of the stone mason, and potent emblems of Freemasonry"
Fairclough goes on to emphasise this point by revealing that "J." (in the Royal Arch Degree) wears a mitre or bishop's hat.
The importance of the murder site is hammered home in no uncertain terms. A highly obscure source claims that there had been a murder in Mitre Square in 1530 - over 350 years before, which Fairclough takes to mean that Mitre Square is "obviously" of significance to Freemasons. All the more so, he claims, since the sixteenth century victim was murdered in a priory which stood on that spot. An "obvious" reference to the Hiramic Legend(30).
The murderous Freemasons simply could not help advertising:
"Eddowes had cuts on her cheeks. They formed two lines meeting at right angles...another reminder of the mason's square"
All these linkages are, for Fairclough, conclusive proof of direct Masonic involvement in the murders. He goes on to talk about Masonic aprons and the fact that one suspect in the long, long line of choices as the true identity of "Jack" was someone called "Leather Apron."
"One wonders whether the rumour was spread by the Freemasons themselves, as a veiled means of proclaiming their responsibility".
There is also a popular myth about the death of Annie Chapman. That is that her rings and some polished farthings were placed in a ritualised pattern at her feet. Knight and Fairclough make much of this. Obviously, to them, she was "deprived of all money and metallic substances" and the rings represent the hollow cross-sections of the two great pillars which stood at the porch or entrance to King Solomon's Temple.
Unfortunately all this was a pure invention of the Pall Mall Gazette(31). In the succeeding years the money and rings have entered the realm of Jack the Myth, rather than Jack the Ripper. To be fair to Knight and Fairclough, better researchers such as Cullen, Odell, Harrison, Rumbelow, Fido, Skinner and Wilson have all accepted the story with minor variations. But, for Knight and Fairclough, the rings had to exist to legitimise their fantasies of Masonic involvement.
The (in)famous, if elusive, writing of the brick walls about the "Juwes" "who will not be blamed for nothing":
"Freemasons I have met have made it clear that masons are fond of puns, puzzles and double negatives". OK, but does this make them guilty of murder?
It is highly likely that the writing was simply angrily and hastily scrawled by a disgruntled customer who had had less than satisfactory service from one of the numerous Jewish craftsmen in the area and wrote his frustration on the wall that the Jews won't take responsibility for anything (especially, presumably, bad workmanship).
By 1775, the original fields and gardens of Whitechapel had almost completely vanished beneath streets, alleys and tenements. 88% of all the immigrants arriving in England in the 1880s came from Europe, most of them Jewish emigrants fleeing the pograms of Russia and persecution in other nations. They settled in the Spitalfields area which took its name from the priory and hospital ("spital") of St. Mary founded in 1197. Prejudice was widespread and there was a real fear of anti-Jewish riots(32).
While there is conflicting testimony as to the actual spelling of the key word used in this chalked message, let's look at the so-called Masonic "Juwes" for a moment. It seems Fairclough is relying on Knight in many instances. So an examination of what Knight says is appropriate.
Knight writes that the murderers of Hiram Abiff were Entered Apprentices (they were actually Fellow Craft Masons); that Hiram Abiff is resurrected (he is simply exhumed and later buried at a different place) and that the Juwes were hunted down and slain (they were, in fact, taken to King Solomon and subject to a proper trial - although one "traditional" Masonic history has it that one refused to surrender and was killed in self-defence. Knight wrote that when Sir Charles Warren erased the writing he "knew only too well that the writing was telling the world, 'The Freemasons' are the men that will not be blamed for nothing'". This is a marvellous dialectic leap in logic since the Juwes were the enemies of Freemasonry and it was Superintendent Thomas Arnold (a non-Mason) of H Division who arranged the erasure, albeit with Warren's later approval and acceptance of full responsibility(33). As for the word "Juwes" itself as a collective term for the murderers of Hiram Abiff - it had been dropped from English Masonic ritual in the early nineteenth century and is unlikely to have been known to Freemasons (let alone anyone else) in 1888. At that time they were referred to as "the Three Ruffians" as they are today(34).
Paul Begg has written "It is a mystery why anyone ever thought that 'Juwes' was a Masonic word"(35).
There is also the problem of syntax. If, for a moment, we accept that the first letter and postcard sent to "The Boss" signed 'Jack the Ripper' really were from the murderer(36), the writing styles are inconsistent. It is generally assumed among those who believe that the letter and postcard are genuine that they were written by an educated man who may have been deliberately attempting to muddy the waters by appearing to be unlettered. Of course, there is the other suggestion that the graffiti hides an anagram, in which case the syntax would be skewed to fit(37).
Regarding Mary Kelly - the last (fifth) victim - Fairclough reaches the depths of inventiveness.
"The corpse has a cable tow round its neck. Freemasons use this device to represent the cutting of the throat".
"...one of the legs, the right one, had been skinned. This feature is a Masonic allegory, a reminder of the initiation of a Master Mason when the Candidate, in reference to his two previous initiations, says; 'and my right leg bare'. As he utters these words he has to roll up his trouser leg. With Kelly they rolled away the flesh(38)."
Fairclough goes on to implicate Quatuor Coronati Lodge #2076, founded by Sir Charles Warren in 1884.
The "evidence" for the prosecution as to the culpability of the Lodge? Quatuor Coronati held its annual installation ceremony on the night of 8 November 1888 - the night Kelly may have been slaughtered and Warren, a Past Master, "had enough time to meet up with his murderous friends in the East End".
"Discounting Eddowes, since her murder was a mistake, the Ripper's intended victims numbered four. Doubtless Warren saw a parallel between the ancient story of the 'Four Crowned Ones'...and...the modern story of the four women, killed for daring to defy the Monarchy, which was an image of the real power behind it: Freemasonry and the Royal Alpha Lodge, No.16".
So, although we have five murders, we need only four(39) to implicate Quatuor Coronati.
One wonders if there had been two victims, would Antiquity Lodge #2 UGLE be implicated? or British Lodge #8 UGLE if eight. If Fairclough was so set on Quatuor Coronati, and using this warped logic, it is a wonder he did not find two thousand and seventy-six murders that could be laid at their doorstep.
Fairclough also continued the story that Dr Gull did not die "as advertised", but ended his days as "Thomas Mason" (note the name!!) alias "#124" at St Mary's Asylum, Islington.
All this derives from a story carried by the Chicago Sunday-Times Herald of 28 April 1895 wherein it was claimed that a Dr. Benjamin Howard had been one of twelve London physicians who had sat "as a commission of lunacy upon a brother physician who had been responsible for the Ripper murders".
V. Wor. Bro. Neville Cryer, in his address on the Church and Freemasonry presented to Barron Barnett Lodge last October, identified an increasingly aggressive and intrusive culture among the members of the Press. I would argue that "anything for the story" has a long history.
Can you honestly believe that after such a story broke in England, that St. Mary's was not besieged by screaming, photographing, journalists with an open purse to bribe guards and wardens? It never happened! One must conclude that the contemporary newspaper hounds realised that the story was pure fabrication.
Hasty acceptance has outweighed careful appraisal. To be generous and not to make accusations of outright fraud(40), both Knight and Fairclough seem to have misread the Sunday-Times Herald article. Most of the text is not attributed to Dr. Howard at all but to an anonymous "Gentleman of Chicago". Furthermore, in 1896, Dr Howard wrote to repudiate the whole thing - a fact carefully ignored by Fairclough, now completely governed by devotion to conspiracy theory.
Melvin Harris has convincingly argued that this Gull/Mason story was a deliberate hoax planted in the Sunday-Times Herald by the Chicago Whitechapel Club which met at the back of the newspaper offices. The Whitechapel Club was "strange and frolicsome (and) was not only the focal point for knowledgeable Ripperologists, but it was also a tall story workshop" (41) where hoaxes were burnished to perfection(42). etc...
http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/freemasonry/stocks.html?show=all
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a friend of mine is a mason and he tried talking me into joining... well not talk me into, he said hes not allowed to talk people into it, but he kept talking about it in a way that i knew he was wanting me to say ok, let me check it out. he said he was a master mason
My neighbor as a kid was a Free Mason, he was an odd man, but a respectable one.
As far as cover ups - most groups and organizations have some sort of code of silence or inner circle of protection (including Police Officers and Medical Doctors).
I think most groups/organizations can become cult like but that is more dependent of the leader and member of the group, the character of that particular individual and not neccesarily the actual group.
To each his own.
As far as cover ups - most groups and organizations have some sort of code of silence or inner circle of protection (including Police Officers and Medical Doctors).
I think most groups/organizations can become cult like but that is more dependent of the leader and member of the group, the character of that particular individual and not neccesarily the actual group.
To each his own.
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