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the fact the "football players" do something does not make it a fact. olympic lifts teach you how to be good at-olympic lifts. using your logic we could train football players soley by using olympic lifts and no football till the age of 25 and then turn them loose in the NFL and they would be the best players there. obviously that is not true. and most NFL and college players usually just follow the advice of ignorant strength coaches, who is turn are manufactured by the weekend personal training certifications out there.dzuljas said:
all olympic lifts teach you to generate force from the ground up. You start with the legs and finish with the upperbody, football is the same thing, you come off the line and drive up and out.......if you think that olympic lifting and moving heavy weights doenst benefit football players talk to any college or nfl player
1. Explosive movements teach your muscles to become faster and better at those movements. This falls under the SAID principle-specific adaptations to imposed demands. the key word being specific. specific means exactly the same, not kind of like or sortof-EXACTLY. an explosive lineman does not have a barbell in his hand when he is on the line so is that specific or sort of like.slobberknocker said:
Wrong. Explosive moves performed in the gym make you faster and more powerful. They teach your muscles and CNS to generate massive force in an instant.
I think it was back in the 70's that one country tested all of its Olympic athletes in the 10 meter dash. The athletes with the best times were the weightlifters and not the sprinters, because their training made them extremely explosive.
I'd agree that you can't do ONLY gym work for football. You need sport specific exercises to learn how to apply your strength with speed and force. But to say that gym work can't make you a better athlete is ignorant. Do a little research on WSB, soviet sports science, and the like.
"remember heavy weights don't hurt people-quick movements do"
Quick movements performed with weights (i.e. oly lifts and dynamic powerlifts) will enable you to "hurt people."
stonecold54 said:the fact the "football players" do something does not make it a fact. olympic lifts teach you how to be good at-olympic lifts. using your logic we could train football players soley by using olympic lifts and no football till the age of 25 and then turn them loose in the NFL and they would be the best players there.
slobberknocker said:You can't be serious. Explosion doesn't come from a pill. It's come from heavy power moves, dynamic moves, and plyos.
Come to the training board, we'll hook you up. You play FB? Where? I'm walking on at DT for Penn State in the spring.
stonecold54 said:the fact the "football players" do something does not make it a fact. olympic lifts teach you how to be good at-olympic lifts. using your logic we could train football players soley by using olympic lifts and no football till the age of 25 and then turn them loose in the NFL and they would be the best players there. obviously that is not true. and most NFL and college players usually just follow the advice of ignorant strength coaches, who is turn are manufactured by the weekend personal training certifications out there.
stonecold54 said:using your logic we could train football players soley by using olympic lifts and no football till the age of 25 and then turn them loose in the NFL and they would be the best players there. obviously that is not true.
have you ever taken a course in logic? I will gladely tell you that I dropped out of school. I am proud of that for all the bullshit they teach in school. Having a degree does not mean JACK SHIT. logical arguement does not come from a piece of paper. yes most coaches have all the "normal" credentials but who among them has taken a philosophy course and understands what knowledge actually is. I will just say that you are using Argumentum ad Verecundiam-which I am sure you know means, an argument to reverence and appeal to authority, it is a fallacy to the authority of others. in other words truth is not found in the facts but in what other people say. also you used appeal to laughter- this fallacy attempts to refute by turning ridicule against the other party such as snickers or names hoping to udermine the other person.dzuljas said:
You clearly took my post out of context. I was trying to get the point across that Olympic lifts generate the most explosive power out of what you could do in the weightroom, so I would definately make them a part of the training. Also I disagree with you on most strength coaches being ignorant...Most strength coaches at major division 1 universities have degrees in exercise physiology, kinesiology, and other fields......What big time division 1 school do you play for stonecold?? Mr knowledgable....