What happens in the long run?

[Xtreme2001]

I'm curious about this.. I know there's talk about Hair loss in the long run etc....

Does it Decrease your life span at all? I know it's a stupid qestion but does it?

Could it not have any harm on you in the long run? is that possible?

I would love to get some feedback on this from you guys.

 

[athlete03]

Generally AAS use will decrease your lifespan for a variety of reasons.

 

[Nathan]

It may, or it may not. It's impossible to say. Depends on how much you do as well. I think that if you're reasonable about how much you do and all that it shouldn't be that bad in ht elong run. Look at Arnold and Lou Ferrigno. How old are they now anyways?

 

[tdekeyser]

My doc said Osteoporosis (sp?)

 

[Zyglamail]

What happens in the long run?

We die, just like everyone else.....well, I wont die, god will keep me alive for ever just to torture me. But I digress . Its not how long ya live, its how well ya live.

 

[MUSTANG_18]

Its not how long ya live, its how well ya live.

Well said bro

M18

 

[saint808]

in all seriousness i think it's all in genetics and dumb luck... i lost my father to cancer when he was 52 and he was always an athlete and always natural... i lost my mother this year at 58 to heart disease... it's all in the genetics as far as i am concerned. i stopped trying to figure out why some people die and some don't years ago.



Rich

 

[wizardnor]

We die, just like everyone else.....well, I wont die, god will keep me alive for ever just to torture me. But I digress . Its not how long ya live, its how well ya live.

it's a new least on life well said man

 

[CHAOS5000]

Originally posted by Zyglamail Its not how long ya live, its how well ya live. [/B]

I definately agree. i'd rather live 50 years looking like a god than 75 years just being average.

 

[Behemoth]

have you been to the senior center lately....

if soooooo how long did you hang out.....If you dont like it now who says that you are going to like it 30 years from now.....

drooling and sagging......not very desirable.

 

[RADAR]

When i was out of shape i hate life and myself.......Now going on 50 i'm stronger and in better shape than most people are in their 20's ....oh Yeah!! Life is good!!!!! RADAR

 

[sirperry1]

Fuck it!! Live for today!!!

 

[solidspine]

Your questions------


I'm curious about this.. I know there's talk about Hair loss in the long run etc....

Does it Decrease your life span at all? I know it's a stupid qestion but does it?

Could it not have any harm on you in the long run? is that possible?

I would love to get some feedback on this from you guys.





Answer- hair loss will not shorten your lifespan.

Everything and anything can harm you,

In the long run we all die!

Life is simply a blink and it is over!

Live for eternal life!

 

[DocTodd]

everything in moderation...you can be a light that shines for many years, a candle that flickers for even more but weakly, or a fire that burns strongly but exhausts itself out quickly.

T

 

[bigguns7]

To all you people who said "it's not how long you live, it's how well you live," that's a typical self-centered, narcissistic AS-user response. Don't you people have families? Have you thought about the effects that dying at age 68 will have on them? Do you want your wife to be a widow at 62 years old. Do you want to see your children get married, and do you want to know your grandchildren? Who cares if you're old and saggy, you'll be old and saggy bouncing your little granddaughter on your lap. THAT is true happiness, not 21 inch arms with a 110 year old liver.

I don't necessarily believe that AS will decrease your lifespan, but if you know that it does, why are you using them? The most ignorant statement that I hear on a daily basis from cigarette smokers - "Well, everybody dies of something," and all of you are saying the same thing.

Not to get all self-righteous, because I use AS myself, but if I ever thought that looking good now would knock 15 years off my life later, I'd quit for good.

 

[Zyglamail]

To all you people who said "it's not how long you live, it's how well you live," that's a typical self-centered, narcissistic AS-user response. Don't you people have families? Have you thought about the effects that dying at age 68 will have on them? Do you want your wife to be a widow at 62 years old. Do you want to see your children get married, and do you want to know your grandchildren? Who cares if you're old and saggy, you'll be old and saggy bouncing your little granddaughter on your lap. THAT is true happiness, not 21 inch arms with a 110 year old liver.

Oh boy, dont get me going cause I can throw all this right back in your face. You speak of selfishness and being there for your family huh, if thats so important, let me turn the tides a bit so you can see a long life from another perspective (which I have personally seen all to many times).

Ok, so ya want to live forever. So here I am 75 years old, parkinsons, alzheimers or what have you is setting in. Im a wreck and unable to care for myself. BUT my daughter is getting married and I cant walk her down the isle, not only that, but she is my only child, im running out of money and need her financial support to keep me going. I spend the next 10 years of my life rotting in a nursing home, taxing the emotional wellbeing and the finances of my daughter and her new husband. I feel like a burdon and I cant even take care of my self anymore.......

Next time you talk about selfishness, maybe you should walk the circle and see your point from all angles. There are no gurantees that will hapen, but there are none saying it wont either. Im not saying I want to check out when im 50, but I sure as hell dont want to be a burdon to the ones I love either.

 

[mlomker]

To all you people who said "it's not how long you live, it's how well you live," that's a typical self-centered, narcissistic AS-user response.

No, I consider it realistic. If I was in the WTC the other day it wouldn't matter how much stuff I was running. Same goes for the car that nearly hit me this morning on the way back from the gym. Life is too unpredictable to play the "I'm guaranteed to live longer if....game."

Married with children is a lifestyle choice and not one that I've even considered. I agree that parents have a responsibility that needs to come before their own desires. The other day a fellow motorcycle racer with a 5 week old child died at the Brainerd Raceway. It pissed me off that this guy would even consider racing with those kind of obligations at home.

 

[bigguns7]

Oh boy, dont get me going cause I can throw all this right back in your face. You speak of selfishness and being there for your family huh, if thats so important, let me turn the tides a bit so you can see a long life from another perspective (which I have personally seen all to many times).

Ok, so ya want to live forever. So here I am 75 years old, parkinsons, alzheimers or what have you is setting in. Im a wreck and unable to care for myself. BUT my daughter is getting married and I cant walk her down the isle, not only that, but she is my only child, im running out of money and need her financial support to keep me going. I spend the next 10 years of my life rotting in a nursing home, taxing the emotional wellbeing and the finances of my daughter and her new husband. I feel like a burdon and I cant even take care of my self anymore.......

Next time you talk about selfishness, maybe you should walk the circle and see your point from all angles. There are no gurantees that will hapen, but there are none saying it wont either. Im not saying I want to check out when im 50, but I sure as hell dont want to be a burdon to the ones I love either.

Zyg, I know exactly what you're talking about, as I worked in long-term care for a little over a year. Yes, there are certain instances in which it is better for everyone if the person passes on. But, what are the odds of being a Parkinson's or Alzheimer's patient? i'll wager that for every Parkinsons patient there are 3 healthy, happy senior citizens.

Are you even suggesting that you're doing your loved ones a service by doing something harmful to your body now that will save them grief in the future? You are a saint, selflessly taking steroids now so that your family won't have to deal with the trials that come along with having an elderly parent. I commend you.

So, I repeat, if you know for a fact that taking steroids will significantly shorten your lifespan, you are doing something very foolish. If you believe in God, then it is against God's will for you to knowingly harm your body. If you don't, it is against all things in nature and science to do something to end your life early. All creatures on this earth do everything they can to stay alive as long as they can.

You've got a valid point in that sometimes staying alive is more of a "burden" than a good thing, but it's not anywhere near good enough reason to justify ensuring yourself an early end.

 

[Golfer18--old]

I use AS because it gives me awesome confidence and a greater ability to succeed in life. It helps me with everthing.

 

[Zyglamail]

You've got a valid point in that sometimes staying alive is more of a "burden" than a good thing, but it's not anywhere near good enough reason to justify ensuring yourself an early end.

I think you took my comment about how its better to live good than to live long a bit, well....out of context I guess you could say. I dont think anyone here is in a hurry to die or kill themselves. At the same time however we are all juicing, which may or may not hurt us. No one can really ever know and all the roid users who have had probls cant say for certain if it was roid induced or not. Its simply impossible unless we start cloming and have one clone juice and another stay nautural but other wise live identicle lives. We all simply want to live our lives to the fullest and sometimes that means enhancing our lives earlier on while sacrificing some years at the end. I definatly dont want to hurt my family, but I also know that due to my mdecial past, my old age is going to be hell and I really dont want to burdon my family with it. I would rather be happy and healthy now and be the best father and husband I can now, even if it means sacrificing a few years at the tail end of my life.

My comments can be misconstrued to mean screw everyone, this is my life just as yours can be misconstrued to mean one should live thier life for others. In the end, I believe we are all in the middle, its just that You presented from one extreme and me from another.

 

[nikolai_bolkov]

I have two quotes for you guys...(if you know where they're from, kudos)

"In the long term, the life expectancy of everyone approaches 0"

"The better you look, the more you see"

 

[reconnect]

I think a moderate AS use could ever extend life

 

[chuck48]

It is a guessing game guys. It definitely is not as clear cut as perhaps smoking. The only one that truly knows is the one upstairs. I would say moderation is key.

 

[Maxx Out]

You guys are freaking me out! FUCK!!! What do I do now?

 

[Xtreme2001]

WOW.. thanks alot guys for answering my question. Really you've all been a big help. Every post i read meant something different, and It now just makes sense to me.

I appreciate it your comments on this.

 

[aahepp]

Let me give you this one.

The only reason we are living is to die in the end.

The reason we live is to die.

In short:

We live to die

 

[Roid Rage 2002]

Let me give you this one.

The only reason we are living is to die in the end.

The reason we live is to die.

In short:

We live to die

We never die. Some of us we''ll just be in Hell and some of us will be in Heavan. I hope everyone here is saved.

 

[Primo200]

Drinking, smoking, and eating at McDonalds are all more hazerdous to your health than AAS. I eat a clean diet, take a high potency multi vitamin, Flax oil, and lipoic acid daily. I also cycle AAS and I gaurantee you I'm "healthier" than 90% of the population. You cant live forever.

 

[genarr3]

quote:
everything in moderation...you can be a light that shines for many years, a candle that flickers for even more but weakly, or a fire that burns strongly but exhausts itself out quickly.

T

Well said. Moderation is the key.
Genarr3

 

[ryker77]

The only thing you can figure on is that YOU will die at sometime in your life.
In general AS is safer than smoking, drinking, drugs, and the typical american diet of high fat-high carbs- low protien.

Even if AS took 1 year year off for every year of AS use then I'd still use.

 

[DocTodd]

the body is extremely tolerant of alot of stuff. The liver can process alot of toxins. That is basically what the liver is for...that and to make protein are its two biggest jobs. But if you keep abusing it it will give up. So think of it as beer. Going out and getting a nice buzz will increase your liver enzymes. Once in a while is no biggie. Keep doing it every night and you get cirrhosis. and liver failure. The reason i mention this is cuz i think liver failure is one of the biggest risks of AAS.


T

 

[BlckSheep]

Consider two race cars identical in every way go into one of those long ass 24 hour races. One is raced around the track at ho hum speeds for 24 hours, while the other sustains speeds right around track-record pace for the entire 24 hours. When the engine builder tears the engines down after the race, he will undoubtedly see more signs of engine wear in the car that was pushed to its limits. But it will be quite obvious that the faster car also went further in the given time frame, and its drivers ultimately also obtained more prestige.

I use this example to illustrate that common sense even tells you that if you ask your heart, liver, kidneys, prostate etc. to sustain levels of activity/performance that are well above normal, the speed of degeneration will also exceed normal levels, but in this case, with those risks as well as others less significant also comes the potential for greater levels of achievement/reward. You have to educate yourself as to your risks and probability of those risks involved relative to your potential rewards and probabilty of obtaining those rewards, then decide for yourself whether it's worth it.

I've decided that an acceptable approach for me personally is to REGULARLY cycle steroids until I reach my prestablished lean mass and bodyfat level goals which I expect to take no more than two years after which time I hope to be able to keep up a lifestyle acclimated to retaining the fitness goals achieved cycling steroids only IRREGULARLY -- hopefully only in the case of significantly catabolizing events such as serious injury or illness. Certainly there are some people who choose a more aggressive approach to gear as well as people who would view any level of steroid usage as inappropriate for themselves. That's fine. We're all different people in different situations each responsible to make our own decisions.