What does shutdown mean? Am I shutdown

[decasustuser]

Maybe a dumb question but after cycle my testicles atrophied and I was "shooting blanks", Now I am no longer attrophied and they are back to normal size and I am no longer shooting blanks. With no pct cud I still be shutdown or does shutdown have to do with more than just testicular size and function?

 

[Dogfox]

PCT it up?

clomid? sustain alpha? maybe????

 

[_Nomad]

You should get a full blood work done if you really want to know if you are still shutdown.

 

[Arabian]

You are shut down. Order some Hcgenerate and HCG to restore your natural test levels. Never ever start or do a cycle without proper PCT in place. We have all done it however it will cause you to loose the gains you made during your cycle without proper PCT to return your natural test levels. Best of luck to you, my friend

 

[Nelson Montana]

Well, there's a lot of misconception here -- starting with the term "shutdown" which is not a medical term. It's slang. And it means you're no longer producing any LH. If your testicles are back and you're able to function you ARE NOT shut down.

HOWEVER, you can , and may very well be suppressed -- meaning you're not producing as much T as you should.

My advice is DO NOT use clomid -- HCG is better at giving a jumpstart -- but at this point it may not be needed. You're past that point.

Formastanozol is MUCH better than alpha sustain, but estro may not be the problem right now.

Absolutely get some UNLEASHED, POST CYCLE and BRIDGE.

Next time, have everything in advance to avoid future problems.

 

[Peterlumberjack]

Nelson, why not clomid?

 

[Voijn]

yeah nelson why not clomid

 

[C0LUMB0]

....you are 20 years old - follow the advice above and stay the hell away from steroids untill you are older and understand the basics of using these compounds.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Nelson, why not clomid?

Hate it. Shitty drug with too many sides. Not particularly effective and has a reverse effect on a lot of people. At best, it's a temporary boost, much like HCG, so why not use HCG?

 

[Nelson Montana]

yeah nelson why not clomid

See above. ^^^^^

 

[stevesmi]

go do a blood test..

i used to feel sorry for young dudes that did this stuff but now I don't. cause its not just young dudes.. its also guys in their 30's who run deca cycles with no PCT and then take 2 weeks off and jump back on. everyone wants the easy way, but in the long run you will get nowhere.

i will always help. my best advice is HCG, HMG, SERM's and stay away from steroids for months and while we are on the subject stay away until you are 25+

 

[Nighthawkk]

Why doesn't anyone recommend the standard HCG/Nolvadex run anymore? It's tried and true unless you've destroyed all function and require HRT, which is unlikely until you're much older or have done extremely heavy cycling non-stop. Granted some of the supps do work, but that's exactly what they are...supplementary. Get your bloodwork done first before any decisions are made. What was your cycle anyways?

 

[decasustuser]

Thanks u all. My cycle was 7 weeks of deca 200 mg and sustanon 250 with 10ccs each. I will look into getting some clhcg but I don't know exactly where. Also since I am not shutdown but likely suppressed, can I still recover withough pct (since I may be past that point) and do any of u see signs that my hpta is perminantly suppressed? Do u think there is any possibility I will be dependant on hrt/trt for life? Thank u all again

 

[Nelson Montana]

Why doesn't anyone recommend the standard HCG/Nolvadex run anymore? It's tried and true unless you've destroyed all function and require HRT, which is unlikely until you're much older or have done extremely heavy cycling non-stop. Granted some of the supps do work, but that's exactly what they are...supplementary. Get your bloodwork done first before any decisions are made. What was your cycle anyways?

A few reasons.

One thing is the nasty sides. Nolva can kill your dick, lessen gains and even have a rebound effect. It's site specific so it does little to restore HPTA. In any event, it's a temporary boost so why not use HCG which is far more effective?

Also, the key is to get the body working on its own. Using one drug to replace another is like using methadone to replace heroin. You still have to go off at some point. That's where the supps really help. They get you over the hump of getting you back to normal while maintaining gains. Faster recovery and no sides. it's a no brainer.

 

[decasustuser]

So nelson do u think I'm doing right by not using pct and letting my body recover naturally? (Exactly wut my doc said to do) and if I can get an erection (even tho libido is crazy low) am I completely shut down hpta-wise?

 

[Nelson Montana]

So nelson do u think I'm doing right by not using pct and letting my body recover naturally? (Exactly wut my doc said to do) and if I can get an erection (even tho libido is crazy low) am I completely shut down hpta-wise?

Well, no, because while you're recovering, you're suppressed and you're losing the gains you made. The whole point of PCT is to avoid that. That's why I suggest HCG, then the supps. ANd I don;t even like using a lot of HCG -- just enough to get a little head start. The objective is to recover naturally, but without the supps that's going to take longer.

 

[decasustuser]

Thanks man my only problem is I can't get hcg atleast I don't know how. I'm not really worried about my gains bc iv already lost most of them. I'm more worried I am perminantly shutdown and will never recover. Do u think this is the case and do u think I'm shutdown or suppressed based on wut iv said? Can I recover no pct?

 

[stevesmi]

yes you will eventually recover but kiss your gains goodbye.

why not just get the hcg and do a PCT? rxhealthdrugs is where i get mine.

 

[decasustuser]

Ok awesome I'll look into it but r those legit? And is it pretty much garuntteed I recover even if I didnt? Like is it possible I rely on hrt for life bc of this one cycle? And based on wut I have told u am I shutdown or have I already began to recover?

 

[stevesmi]

Ok awesome I'll look into it but r those legit?

i do not make a penny recommending anything on here. I am not a supplement seller, i have zero bias. yes those r legit, i use them all the time. i have no reason to bs you, i call a spade a spade. some products are bs and i will say they are, i have no allegiance to anyone on here or any product or any sponsor/site.

And is it pretty much garuntteed I recover even if I didnt?
the body will eventually go on equillibrium and balance itself out overtime.. hcg is a fertility drug. Pregnyl its called. its given to guys who are trying to knock up their woman. its FDA approved and you will know its working when your balls plump up quickly. it works.

Like is it possible I rely on hrt for life bc of this one cycle?
NO, hrt should be considered as a last resort.

And based on wut I have told u am I shutdown or have I already began to recover?
only a blood test can confirm that. your nuts can give you an idea but even plump nuts doesn't mean you are generating your own sperm and testosterone at a normal level so get a blood test

in bold^

 

[decasustuser]

Thanks so much man.i I go for bloodwork next week. If I'm up significantly I'll let my body keep doing its thing. If not iil get some hcg. Will that be too late by then and do u think doc wud prescribe it? If not I'll get it from that site.

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks so much man.i I go for bloodwork next week. If I'm up significantly I'll let my body keep doing its thing. If not iil get some hcg. Will that be too late by then and do u think doc wud prescribe it? If not I'll get it from that site.

no.. it will not be too late. just run a PCT.. i dunno I am not your doctor, ask him. docs generally do not know anything about AAS use and will be clueless about what to give you.

i bet there are thousands of kids like you who are going to docs and getting thrown on HRT for life cuz the doctors dont know any better.

 

[decasustuser]

Thanks man. I appreciate all the advice. Last thing...will heavy lifting and consuming more calories help me get back faster? And also is hrt hellacious? And does it garuntee u to be infertile and have hairloss?

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks man. I appreciate all the advice. Last thing...will heavy lifting and consuming more calories help me get back faster? And also is hrt hellacious? And does it garuntee u to be infertile and have hairloss?

you should of ALREADY been doing heavy lifting and consuming calories on a deca cycle. deca will not do much without proper diet and working out hard.

good luck.

and young kids wonder why the vets tell them to not touch juice until they are atleast 25.

 

[decasustuser]

Thanks man. Seriously I apprecaite everything.