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OMEGA

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without sounding judgmental

do you think its OK for a man or woman to whore them selves out do drugs, and all kind of wierd shit most of their life up till 25 or 30 them all of a sudden "change" cus now it time to "grow up"


I know several people who "changed" for the following reasons

1) oops now it time to get married
2) oops I have to pay the bills, and can't get in trouble now
3) oops I got my third DUI and they will take my kid away
4) oops I am losing my youth and have to be more respectable to get the time of day form others


I am not posting this cus I want to judge but does it not make you fearfull to know that someone only changed for fear of the law, and what other humans think, or just to be practicle?

I have made MANY mistakes but changed for the sake of those that loved me, and esp for GOD ( and no I don't care much about going to heaven or hell if it exists)

I never cared much about what others thought, the law or the legal consequence of actions


all of this inspired me to think of a quote


"be weary of them wich change for fear of the law of man, and not the law of GOD, for at the core there has been no change at all....."

-OMEGA
 
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nope....they are weak....they are pathetic.....and they usually don't change much....they just find other ways to be weak and pathetic
 
its hard for me not to have hope for everyone :(


"for they no not what they have done"


to themselves and to life.......


also this thread may have a religiuos tone to it but its not about that

its about the motive for change
 
also for those content with using things or others :


are you content with being used and using others.......?

what happens when you lose "value" and you are no longer a commodity?

what happens when you have no wealth and you cannot purchase your pleasure?

then what are you?


sorry to sound holier than though cus I am not I have made more mistakes than many here I am guessing

but this stuff has been on my mind

so i am just sharing :)
 
I've never whored myself for drugs or anything that crazy.

I've just partied for many years, lead a very indulgent life and have done many bad things (none of them homosexual, you peverts). I have, for the most part, changed. I have changed for the fear of the law and for the fear of the consequences of such a life style (health, criminal, etc...). Since I do not beleive in a god, I cannot change for a god, but only for my own selfish (if you will) reasons. Does that make the authenticity of the change any less?
 
when I say GOD

I happen to believe in GOD the one the only the merciful, the compassionate

but one could also use it as a term for thing outside the physical realm, in the "unseen" the spiritual, outside matter

that which connects us all that not bound by self interest, or the material

ps I am happy for your change :)
 
i've seen some people change and i've seen others that refuse to. i changed for myself. I only ever got 1 DUI, and it didn't really "change" me, except i learned a lesson the hard way. i had only ever been in minor trouble with the law, nothing major, however at one point in my life i realized that the way i was going wasn't a good way to be living. that prompted some change from me. maturity also played a factor.

a girl i knew was real messed up in drugs for a long time. nothing could clean her up. she'd try and she'd go right back to where she was before. that's how she was the last time i heard from her. a few years later i found out she got pregnant and immediately cleaned up her act and stayed clean. i was glad to hear that actually. nice girl, she just needed something to really wake her up.

for whatever reason it takes to make someone change, at least they did. recovering alcoholics and drug addicts call it "hitting bottom." everyone has a bottom, and they're all different. for some people, getting in trouble with the law once or twice is all they need, whereas other people need to lose everything and everyone, and then some, and they still don't find their bottom.

if the change is sincere, then i think that's all that matters. if they've burned you in the past, then it's hard to trust them again, and you shouldn't feel obligated to trust them again. they have to earn it.

actions speak louder than words. many times i've heard people say they were cleaning up their act, but they never did. whether their reason for it is God, the law, friends and family, maturity, whatever, they did it.
 
Deterass said:
I now regret giving you green earlier.

Why are you bumping these old ass threads?


chill D

I believe in the power of Fogivnes as paramount

and not my forgivness the creators :)



this whas just meant to get people thinking is all

as I said I am far from perfect
 
we are social creatures... We care what people think.. or it would not workout..
if we dont think people see any good in us.. we feel bad and want the goodness..
because people that did not feel this way... were out casts.. or did not stay with the group.. and did not breed as much... as the ones in the social group...
so the gene did not get passes on...as often... :D
 
I'm 26 and have only gotten my shit together in the last few years.For anyone outhere that likes to think a leopard cant change his spots you are wrong.Although if I could go back and change things I certainly would but I dont think I would be as strong as I am today without having to go through all that shit and learn what I want out of life the hard way.I wish I was smart enough to have listened to other people when I was younger.
 
OMEGA said:
without sounding judgmental

do you think its OK for a man or woman to whore them selves out do drugs, and all kind of wierd shit most of their life up till 25 or 30 them all of a sudden "change" cus now it time to "grow up"


I know several people who "changed" for the following reasons

1) oops now it time to get married
2) oops I have to pay the bills, and can't get in trouble now
3) oops I got my third DUI and they will take my kid away
4) oops I am losing my youth and have to be more respectable to get the time of day form others


I am not posting this cus I want to judge but does it not make you fearfull to know that someone only changed for fear of the law, and what other humans think, or just to be practicle?

I have made MANY mistakes but changed for the sake of those that loved me, and esp for GOD ( and no I don't care much about going to heaven or hell if it exists)

I never cared much about what others thought, the law or the legal consequence of actions


all of this inspired me to think of a quote


"be weary of them wich change for fear of the law of man, and not the law of GOD, for at the core there has been no change at all....."

-OMEGA
I think your argument is pathetic and weak.

Trying to place the reason for someones change in life due to God and not a personal choice as being better than that of someone else. It reeks of the arrogant core of prejudice.
 
said it before..

U can't change for someone.. but u can change because of someone
 
jerkbox said:
nope....they are weak....they are pathetic.....and they usually don't change much....they just find other ways to be weak and pathetic


LOL, like being saved, and then telling you how to live your life...

or being Jimmy Swaggart///
 
WODIN said:
I think your argument is pathetic and weak.

Trying to place the reason for someones change in life due to God and not a personal choice as being better than that of someone else. It reeks of the arrogant core of prejudice.



sorry dude :)

I diagree with you:)

look at GOD as a principle NOT REASON

point is we are not suppost to change out of FEAR ( for that change is not REAL ,
we are suppost to change out love, and higher thought :)



it terms of my opinion I know it to be true and if it makes you mad well I am sorry :)



ps HELLO :)
 
CanadianCutie said:
said it before..

U can't change for someone.. but u can change because of someone


yes:) that is what I was getting at


I would further you can change for your self sometimes we are born perfect, and then we get led astray by life


if we can get back to our original state with experience slapped on form life


we will be even stronger


so many just cover there mistakes with chalking it up "to the past"


when you should really examine why you did what you did and fix inside, and for GOD

and if you don't belive in GOD then just do it for Humanity


I made pleanty of mistakes, and had to painfully face them
 
OMEGA said:
sorry dude :)

I diagree with you:)

look at GOD as a principle NOT REASON

point is we are not suppost to change out of FEAR ( for that change is not REAL ,
we are suppost to change out love, and higher thought :)



it terms of my opinion I know it to be true and if it makes you mad well I am sorry :)



ps HELLO :)
It takes more than misguided, errant points of view to make me mad Omega.
 
you need to happy some happy time bro

I am not here to beat you or better you in semantics or thoughts

I am here to share, because I have appreciation for your humanity

sometimes I have thoughts that are counter to your maybe more advanced


the trick is to appreciate that we are even having a conversation we are lucky
 
We are coming from the same place I just see a lot of your ingrained prejudices coming out in your expression and they cloud your fundamental messages of saying looking towards the positve in life.
 
Perhaps this is a simplistic view, but what difference does it make why someone changed? Isn't the fact that they changed be what is paramount?
 
OMEGA said:
do you think its OK for a man or woman to whore them selves out do drugs, and all kind of wierd shit most of their life up till 25 or 30 them all of a sudden "change" cus now it time to "grow up"


I have made MANY mistakes but changed for the sake of those that loved me, and esp for GOD ( and no I don't care much about going to heaven or hell if it exists)


"be weary of them wich change for fear of the law of man, and not the law of GOD, for at the core there has been no change at all....."

-OMEGA

As seen de light.....praise be to de lord.....halleluiah.


I think people wander around in their own little worlds until one day something happens and they get checked by reality, they suddenly realize that their bodies can't take the abuse anymore, their friends ain't worth shit, their lives are a mess and judging by their track record if they don't make big changes then it's likely gonna be more of the same in years to come.

Big alterations in the way a person thinks are required to make drastic changes, which is why religion is always associated with big personality turn arounds. Not only does religion supposedly point you onto the straight and narrow but it also gives people hope, support and forgiveness for past wrongdoings, a clean sheet.

We know that religion doesn't really change the person you are but sometimes circumstance requires us to purposely attempt to fool ourselves in order to make changes.

It doesn't really matter how the change comes about or what reasons forced it.....all that matters is that it's a positive step in the right direction.
 
OMEGA said:
also for those content with using things or others :


are you content with being used and using others.......?

what happens when you lose "value" and you are no longer a commodity?

what happens when you have no wealth and you cannot purchase your pleasure?

then what are you?


sorry to sound holier than though cus I am not I have made more mistakes than many here I am guessing

but this stuff has been on my mind

so i am just sharing :)

This was discussed yesterday where I was at. "What do you live your life for?"
In the end, it will be known. Do you want to be known as the guy who woke up every day to fulfill his selfish desires? To look at porn for hours a day, etc.
Or do you want to be called to a higher purpose than yourself? It all depends on what you believe.
 
biteme said:
It all depends on what you believe.

Thats the definition of Zen!! The only thing that makes sense b/c nothing makes sense unless you believe it, then it becomes real or not. Biteme, the ZenMaster!!
 
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