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What do you think about THIS stack???

HotYngSwngr

HotYngSwngr

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OK...I am as follows...
5'9", 185 lbs, 11% BF, this is my 3rd cycle; 1st was Deca, Cyp; 2nd was Ox, Deca, Cyp...

My trainer just put together this cycle for me. I already have all the necessary gear, just want to get some feedback on the stack.

GEAR
Upjohn Cyp 200
BTG Oxandrine 10mg tabs (Anavar)
Europa Labs EQ 400
Europa Labs Deca 400

Wk 1,2

Cyp 200mg EOD
EQ 150mg EOD
Deca 200mg EOD
OX 20mg ED

Wk 3,4

Cyp 250mg EOD
Eq 200mg EOD
Deca 200mg EOD
Ox 30mg ED

Wk 5,6

Cyp 300mg EOD
Eq 250mg EOD
Deca 300mg EOD
Ox 40mg ED

Wk 7,8

Same as wk 3,4

Wk 9,10

Same as wk 1,2

Femera 1/2 tab EOD til wk 4, 1 EOD after

PCT

All that said...what do you think????
 
thats alot of deca. i hope you have dostinex on hand....


i think the cycle is a bit much keep it simple for great gains
 
HotYngSwngr said:
GEAR
Upjohn Cyp 200
BTG Oxandrine 10mg tabs (Anavar)
Europa Labs EQ 400
Europa Labs Deca 400

Wk 1,2

Cyp 200mg EOD
EQ 150mg EOD
Deca 200mg EOD
OX 20mg ED

Wk 3,4

Cyp 250mg EOD
Eq 200mg EOD
Deca 200mg EOD
Ox 30mg ED

Wk 5,6

Cyp 300mg EOD
Eq 250mg EOD
Deca 300mg EOD
Ox 40mg ED

Wk 7,8

Same as wk 3,4

Wk 9,10

Same as wk 1,2

Femera 1/2 tab EOD til wk 4, 1 EOD after

PCT

All that said...what do you think????
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OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!!!!!!! :o

WHAT THE FUCK ARE DOING HERE?

Like LIl' Georgie said: keep that shit simple and trump tight.....

You will waste gear if you do this much and I am not shitting you, bro!

TOO MUCH!!!!!!!!

DIV

:chomp:
 
georgie24 said:
thats alot of deca. i hope you have dostinex on hand....


i think the cycle is a bit much keep it simple for great gains
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That is what I thought...how do you think I should adjust it?? Recommendations GREATLY appreciated!!!
 
My last cycle was similar, minus the cyp. I ran var at 60mg a day for weeks 1-6, Deca and EQ at 750mg a week (375mg or so E4D) weeks 1-15. I wish now I would have added test instead of the var, but thats personal preference.
 
I would just run EQ twice a week at 400mgs and Cyp twice a week at 400mgs. For someone who is 185 that should be more than enough to get massive gains. If you don't think thats enough run the Var with it too. I don't know how much juice you have run before but your current plan gets you over 2grams a week! I have quite a few cycles under my belt at 240 and I rarely go over a gram! And I still get awesome results.
Good Luck.
 
at your weight and limited cycle use that is way to much stuff.

I would split that into 2 cycles:

Cycle one will be more of bulkup, keep the calories up and protien high and get some size on that frame.
1)
400mg Cyp EW
200-300 deca EW
If possible add 20 ed mg dbol for first 4 weeks

Cylcle two, build on mass you gained, but clean diet up and eat alot of protien, low carb and fat, drop any water and shred up that new mass you just earned.

cycle #2 will be more of cut up, rip up:

2)
600 mg eq EW
40-50mg var ed

you might want to think about post cycle therapy, hcg, nolva and clomid.
 
DIVISION said:
OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!!!!!!! :o

WHAT THE FUCK ARE DOING HERE?

Like LIl' Georgie said: keep that shit simple and trump tight.....

You will waste gear if you do this much and I am not shitting you, bro!

TOO MUCH!!!!!!!!

DIV

:chomp:
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Could you PLEASE tell me how you would put this cycle together???
 
psychedout said:
Pyramiding gear isn't ideal at all.

Constant doses throughout.
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ditto......

If you look around you'll see many variations of a stack using the gear you have.

DIV
 
Can't believe NONE of you can help me put together a cyclw using the gear I have...tried running a search but have yet to find anyone using the gear I have...KARMA for anyone with a better idea them my personal trainer...
 
why are you injecting deca eod? unless youre using NPP!!! to be quite honest your using way to much gear for your weight..you want a good cycle test/var...
no pyramiding!!!!!!
 
wnt2bBeast said:
why are you injecting deca eod? unless youre using NPP!!! to be quite honest your using way to much gear for your weight..you want a good cycle test/var...
no pyramiding!!!!!!
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yeah...I felt the same way about the EOD and got him to back off and am now doing twice a week...give me numbers...how would you stack it??
 
cyp 600ew (200 MWF)
deca 400ew (400 Tu)
eq 400ew (400 Sa)
anavar 50ed

for 10 weeks

have aggressive pct ready
I doubt you will need an anti-e with this, but keep it around.

Enjoy.

(that being said: I think eq's weak, and anavar waste of cash. I would do more deca and use dbol, but that's me.)
Also, a first cycle should probably be test only, as that is the base. You wish to take testosterone, and two synthetic testosterones (eq and deca) without knowledge of how you react to any of the three compounds. Also, if you do run into trouble, all 3 compounds stay in the body for weeks, so you're fucked. I think, therefore, that this is very unwise. But you wanted a cycle with your gear. That is a reasonable 2nd or 3rd cycle made with your gear.
 
majutsu said:
cyp 600ew (200 MWF)
deca 400ew (400 Tu)
eq 400ew (400 Sa)
anavar 50ed

for 10 weeks

have aggressive pct ready
I doubt you will need an anti-e with this, but keep it around.

Enjoy.

(that being said: I think eq's weak, and anavar waste of cash. I would do more deca and use dbol, but that's me.)
Also, a first cycle should probably be test only, as that is the base. You wish to take testosterone, and two synthetic testosterones (eq and deca) without knowledge of how you react to any of the three compounds. Also, if you do run into trouble, all 3 compounds stay in the body for weeks, so you're fucked. I think, therefore, that this is very unwise. But you wanted a cycle with your gear. That is a reasonable 2nd or 3rd cycle made with your gear.
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I agree with Maj...your using way too much gear but he gave you a cycle with what you have..i would pay alot more attention to his explanation because it is very honest and true!!!! i would run a straight test cycle @500mg/wk if everything is in order you will grow!!!
 
majutsu said:
cyp 600ew (200 MWF)
deca 400ew (400 Tu)
eq 400ew (400 Sa)
anavar 50ed

for 10 weeks

have aggressive pct ready
I doubt you will need an anti-e with this, but keep it around.

Enjoy.

(that being said: I think eq's weak, and anavar waste of cash. I would do more deca and use dbol, but that's me.)
Also, a first cycle should probably be test only, as that is the base. You wish to take testosterone, and two synthetic testosterones (eq and deca) without knowledge of how you react to any of the three compounds. Also, if you do run into trouble, all 3 compounds stay in the body for weeks, so you're fucked. I think, therefore, that this is very unwise. But you wanted a cycle with your gear. That is a reasonable 2nd or 3rd cycle made with your gear.
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THANKS!!! This IS my 3rd cycle. Sounds like you pretty much agree with my trainer except for the intervals. The reason I am using the Ox is that I get it via script and only pay a $25 co-pay...so why not? I have Femera for anti-e, and HCG, Clomid, and Nolvadex for PCT.
 
majutsu said:
cyp 600ew (200 MWF)
deca 400ew (400 Tu)
eq 400ew (400 Sa)
anavar 50ed

for 10 weeks

have aggressive pct ready
I doubt you will need an anti-e with this, but keep it around.

Enjoy.

(that being said: I think eq's weak, and anavar waste of cash. I would do more deca and use dbol, but that's me.)
Also, a first cycle should probably be test only, as that is the base. You wish to take testosterone, and two synthetic testosterones (eq and deca) without knowledge of how you react to any of the three compounds. Also, if you do run into trouble, all 3 compounds stay in the body for weeks, so you're fucked. I think, therefore, that this is very unwise. But you wanted a cycle with your gear. That is a reasonable 2nd or 3rd cycle made with your gear.
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When you say "TROUBLE", what are you referring to???
 
300mg of deca EOD ? Not only will you need Dostinex but better yet, RU-486 on hand and throughout this cycle.
 
HotYngSwngr said:
When you say "TROUBLE", what are you referring to???
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Severe acne, excessive bloating, gyno (male breasts), prolactinemia, depression or mania, or from eq anxiety and panic attacks, frequent inappropriate erections or alternatively complete impotence, prostate difficulty and trouble urinating with resulting urinary infection, uncovering a factor-c or s deficiency with anti-coagulant effects of androgens resulting in brain hemorrhage, intense blood pressure increases with kidney damage or stroke, incapacitating joint pain due to synovial fluid expansion, vascular compartment syndromes, . . . in order of most likely or common at the beginning of the list to least likely or very rare at the end.

I reread you cycle history more carefully, and see you have dealt with cyp and deca. In that case, eq is new. Only the italicize sides are likely with eq, the list was a composite of cyp, deca, and eq's sides. In your case, with knowledge of your updated compound experience, consider then my updated cycle for you:

cyp 800 ew (200 MWFSa)
deca 600 ew (600 Tu 1.5 cc)
eq 800 ew (400 ThSu)
anavar 50ed

For 10wks

No pyramiding, just keep it simple. Anavar will kick in first, then cyp, then deca, then the eq. It should stick very well after good pct. Good luck.
 
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majutsu said:
Severe acne, excessive bloating, gyno (male breasts), prolactinemia, depression or mania, or from eq anxiety and panic attacks, frequent inappropriate erections or alternatively complete impotence, prostate difficulty and trouble urinating with resulting urinary infection, uncovering a factor-c or s deficiency with anti-coagulant effects of androgens resulting in brain hemorrhage, intense blood pressure increases with kidney damage or stroke, incapacitating joint pain due to synovial fluid expansion, vascular compartment syndromes, . . . in order of most likely or common at the beginning of the list to least likely or very rare at the end.

The point is that you should see how you react to test. Anavar is very safe and low-risk. So 800 cyp ew and anavar 50ed would be a safe, tolerable and very, very effective stack. You would get you feet wet, learn testosterone and know what ancillaries you need/will work, and what pct works for you to recover. Your next cycle can add the riskier but very rewarding if successful deca, and eq is pretty safe; so you could do the cycle I mapped out next for your 2nd pretty safely, mostly learning how to handle deca sides and pct, which is trickier.

Good luck.
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Last cycle I ran Cyp, Deca and Ox and peaked at 600mg Cyp, 400mg Deca, and 25mg Ox ED...only notciable sides were night sweats and bacne after...took Femera throughout...little to no bloat.
 
majutsu said:
Severe acne, excessive bloating, gyno (male breasts), prolactinemia, depression or mania, or from eq anxiety and panic attacks, frequent inappropriate erections or alternatively complete impotence, prostate difficulty and trouble urinating with resulting urinary infection, uncovering a factor-c or s deficiency with anti-coagulant effects of androgens resulting in brain hemorrhage, intense blood pressure increases with kidney damage or stroke, incapacitating joint pain due to synovial fluid expansion, vascular compartment syndromes, . . . in order of most likely or common at the beginning of the list to least likely or very rare at the end.

I reread you cycle history more carefully, and see you have dealt with cyp and deca. In that case, eq is new. Only the italicize sides are likely with eq, the list was a composite of cyp, deca, and eq's sides. In your case, with knowledge of your updated compound experience, consider then my updated cycle for you:

cyp 800 ew (200 MWFSa)
deca 600 ew (600 Tu 1.5 cc)
eq 800 ew (400 ThSu)
anavar 50ed

For 10wks

No pyramiding, just keep it simple. Anavar will kick in first, then cyp, then deca, then the eq. It should stick very well after good pct. Good luck.
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THANKS!!! it sounds like you BASICALLY agree with my trainer...I am gonna keep the pyramid as is, seeing as how it is a VERY minor pyramid (and the amounts I am running this time are quite a bit more then my last cycle and have me a lil intimidated to be perfectly honest)...the only change I am making is INCREASING the Ox, and changing to twice weekly injections...anything else you would suggest I use during my cycle other than the Femera??
 
HotYngSwngr said:
THANKS!!! The reason I am using the Ox is that I get it via script and only pay a $25 co-pay...
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holy shit. I am going to have to reread this in the morning to make sure I didnt mess up the first 7 times i read it.
 
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